Mongo3451 Posted Wednesday at 07:33 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 07:33 PM 40 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: I agree with you about Minnesota, but the reason Fields' rushing yards were down was that the coaches were telling him to slide rather than try to get around defenders. That's actually false. They asked him to slide sooner to avoid those, late, bell ringers the DB's were laying on him. In actuality he didn't break the huge runs like the season before. After that, I abjectly disagree with any open field running comparison to Hester. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BearFan PHX Posted Wednesday at 09:51 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 09:51 PM 2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said: That's actually false. They asked him to slide sooner to avoid those, late, bell ringers the DB's were laying on him. In actuality he didn't break the huge runs like the season before. After that, I abjectly disagree with any open field running comparison to Hester. Not even close. fair enough thats what makes horse races. I agree with what you said about why they asked him to slide, I think thats what i was saying too. personally, I think Fields is a monster in the open field, and Hester like - but we dont have to agree on that. I do wonder if a team will use him for kick returns in the future if he isnt starting at QB. EDIT - I do admit Hester is quite a bit faster. That's obvious. But in terms of vision and elusiveness I see them as similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted Wednesday at 09:52 PM Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 09:52 PM On 7/1/2025 at 2:51 PM, Mongo3451 said: This team has good team character. Even with Flus, they played hard until he list the team. Your mention of chemistry is key. My belief is that it will develop quickly, due to the new staff being quite the opposite. I expect extreme effort in camp. Some guys might get hurt feelings, but wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air. We brought in leaders to help the chemistry. Jarrett, Thuney and Dalman all bring leadership to the lines. We now have players that will make everyone accountable on the DL and OL. We got a A+ coaching staff that wont let anyone slack off. Great situation for this team to excell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted Wednesday at 09:54 PM Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 09:54 PM 9 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: fair enough thats what makes horse races. I agree with what you said about why they asked him to slide, I think thats what i was saying too. personally, I think Fields is a monster in the open field, and Hester like - but we dont have to agree on that. I do wonder if a team will use him for kick returns in the future if he isnt starting at QB. Fields got paid to be a starting QB for the Jets, thinking he is still a failure is a little long in the tooth. No one is saying he is a top 10 QB in the league but if used right, he can win football games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted Wednesday at 10:02 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 10:02 PM 14 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: Fields got paid to be a starting QB for the Jets, thinking he is still a failure is a little long in the tooth. No one is saying he is a top 10 QB in the league but if used right, he can win football games. lol - lets see what the Jets do after this year with him. The idea that fields is GOOD at QB is like teeth that haven't come in yet because the baby teeth are still in LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted Wednesday at 11:13 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:13 PM 1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said: fair enough thats what makes horse races. I agree with what you said about why they asked him to slide, I think thats what i was saying too. personally, I think Fields is a monster in the open field, and Hester like - but we dont have to agree on that. I do wonder if a team will use him for kick returns in the future if he isnt starting at QB. EDIT - I do admit Hester is quite a bit faster. That's obvious. But in terms of vision and elusiveness I see them as similar. I said slide sooner, not simply slide. The sooner slides probably took them yards off his stats. As far as open field running, the vision and explosiveness aren't even close. To see a path through eleven people solely focused on you is far different than eluding a pass rush and running into a spread field with 40 percent of the defense in the rearview mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted Wednesday at 11:14 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:14 PM 1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said: lol - lets see what the Jets do after this year with him. The idea that fields is GOOD at QB is like teeth that haven't come in yet because the baby teeth are still in LOL Fields is such a weird case, he is one of 40 QBs in NFL history with 4K Passing yards and 2K Rushing yards (career totals). Of that group, he has the 2nd fewest passing yards (Bobby Douglass), and is below Tyrod Taylor, Colin Kaepernick, and Daniel Jones. His career arch is looking very similar to Marcus Mariota's (started as rookie, then jumped around on one year deals, now on 5th team). Fields is on his 3rd team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted yesterday at 12:01 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:01 AM 56 minutes ago, adam said: Fields is such a weird case, he is one of 40 QBs in NFL history with 4K Passing yards and 2K Rushing yards (career totals). Of that group, he has the 2nd fewest passing yards (Bobby Douglass), and is below Tyrod Taylor, Colin Kaepernick, and Daniel Jones. His career arch is looking very similar to Marcus Mariota's (started as rookie, then jumped around on one year deals, now on 5th team). Fields is on his 3rd team. Fields, to me, is a superior athlete that doesn't have the mental talent at the QB position. I'm not saying he is stupid at all. But he has never shown an ability to read defenses in rhythm, and you can bet the Jets are thinking about Arch Manning next year, and signed Fields to get Manning. They may also have Fields be that transitional QB for Manning, but once Manning (or whichever rookie they take) starts, that'll be it for Fields. Fields is not an NFL starting QB. People have given him chances to show that he can be one, but he hasnt done it anywhere yet, and I dont see how he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted yesterday at 01:26 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 01:26 AM 1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said: Fields, to me, is a superior athlete that doesn't have the mental talent at the QB position. I'm not saying he is stupid at all. But he has never shown an ability to read defenses in rhythm, and you can bet the Jets are thinking about Arch Manning next year, and signed Fields to get Manning. They may also have Fields be that transitional QB for Manning, but once Manning (or whichever rookie they take) starts, that'll be it for Fields. Fields is not an NFL starting QB. People have given him chances to show that he can be one, but he hasnt done it anywhere yet, and I dont see how he will. Agreed. Smart guy, slow processor. It's nothing to be ashamed of. That's why QB is the most elite position in all of sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted yesterday at 01:45 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 01:45 AM 26 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: Agreed. Smart guy, slow processor. It's nothing to be ashamed of. That's why QB is the most elite position in all of sports. Oh for sure, there are like maybe 10 guys who can do it at the level that you know you'd keep them long term, in the world! Maybe 10, maybe a lot less. Depends on how you rate em. It's hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adam Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago Nice to see Brisker out there, JJ looks faster. The hype train is full steam ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago Quote NFC NORTH Chicago Bears Ruben Hyppolite II, LB Ben Johnson singled out Hyppolite as the player that Bears coaches saw the most improvement from this spring. With veteran T.J. Edwards sidelined with a soft tissue injury, Hyppolite got a lot of run with the starting defense at a position he doesn't have much experience at (weakside linebacker) after playing middle linebacker throughout his career at Maryland. While the search for Chicago's No. 3 linebacker isn't the sexiest of position battles, Hyppolite -- a fourth-rounder with a 4.39 second 40 time -- made early impressions on the coaching staff. "He's done a great job adjusting to that speed as we've gone through, and that's going to have to show up once we do get the pads on," Johnson said. "But I think he's been improving every single day, and really, we're hoping that course continues." -- Courtney Cronin This is considered the biggest surprise for the Bears. I had to lol over it, as we are talking about LB3 on a defense that plays in a package with an LB3 less than 25% of the time. However, it actually highlights something else, that the Bears roster is pretty solid. Outside of Jones vs Trapilo, every starter and key backup is already set as far as I am tracking. Maybe you could make a case for CB2 and Stevenson vs Smith/Frazier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago On 7/2/2025 at 2:54 PM, Stinger226 said: Fields got paid to be a starting QB for the Jets, thinking he is still a failure is a little long in the tooth. No one is saying he is a top 10 QB in the league but if used right, he can win football games. Ok so Ive been thinking more about this. Are you actually arguing that Fields has proven himself to be GOOD? Really? Why does no one keep him? Your best proof is that the Jets paid him? They are widely known as shrewd QB talent evaluators? And signing someone doesnt matter - hes on his 3rd team already. He has to produce before you can argue that hes any good. So far his production has been terrible! Here is JF's BEST season: 2562 yards, 16 TD, 9 INT - his other seasons were WORSE. that's 150 yds a game average. YUCK! His BEST season LOL Here is CW's rookie season in which he had three different OCs, the first OC and head coach got fired, and the OL was trash: 3,541 yards, 20 TD and 6 INTs and people are saying Caleb had a bad year, might be a bust. LOL Caleb threw for almost 1,000 more yards, had 4 more TDs, and only 2/3 as many INTs. Tell me again that Fields is good. What a bunch of crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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