Bears Extend Poles

[CrackerDog]

5 years

[BearFan PHX]

apparently he had 2 years left on his deal, so the extended him 3 more years. That puts him on the same timeline as Ben Johnson.

I'm not sure why they did this now, as opposed to after this year so we could see how they work together, but at least this is slightly more sane than having them not in alignment.

I'm still not sure Poles is the right guy, but with this staff to help him, Im not sure his drawbacks really matter that much.

[Stinger226]

Having a GM and Coach on the same time frame is the only logical choice. They obviously believe this is the coming out year for success and Poles gets to prove his worth. He built the roster and hired a high end coach.  As much as that is important, our future is based on Caleb being a star or bust. 

[BearFan PHX]

Every teams fortunes depend on the QB. This is why your "trade the #1 pick away, lose Caleb and get the haul of picks" made no sense.

Ditto "keep Justin Fields"

[Stinger226]

. Yes I liked that idea but in the pre draft process, as the Bears got sold on Caleb, I started to see his potential and when the bears traded Justin, I was all in to the new best QB to get and sometimes we  change our opinions. I'm sure I seen you hesitant on Caleb in the beginning, you were always consistent on hate Fields though.

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

. Yes I liked that idea but in the pre draft process, as the Bears got sold on Caleb, I started to see his potential and when the bears traded Justin, I was all in to the new best QB to get and sometimes we  change our opinions. I'm sure I seen you hesitant on Caleb in the beginning, you were always consistent on hate Fields though.

as soon as I saw Calebs film, like right away, I knew he was special - it took a while to trust that he could be consistent, and he still hasnt been in the NFL. But I think Ben johnson is the guy to get that right - I hope so, we'll see.

My point was just the idea that if someone is already on the team, I think they get extra credit points from you, and I still think Poles is "eh" but I understand that if Poles is the GM like Declan Doyle is the OC, then we might be OK anyway.

But if for example, Poles suddenly went missing and we promoted Ian Cunningham, i think he'd be better.

I still cant forgive keeping Eberflus, and some of the other bad moves he's made too. It tells me he is mediocre, which means some good too - but he's not a top GM that gives you an edge in winning as I see it right now.

But now is not the time to rock the boat. I understand rolling with Poles- but I dont understand why they extended him now instead of waiting thru this year first. He had 2 years left on his deal, and I dunno what we gained here - but to be fair Im not sure we lost much either.

[adam]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

as soon as I saw Calebs film, like right away, I knew he was special - it took a while to trust that he could be consistent, and he still hasnt been in the NFL. But I think Ben johnson is the guy to get that right - I hope so, we'll see.

My point was just the idea that if someone is already on the team, I think they get extra credit points from you, and I still think Poles is "eh" but I understand that if Poles is the GM like Declan Doyle is the OC, then we might be OK anyway.

But if for example, Poles suddenly went missing and we promoted Ian Cunningham, i think he'd be better.

I still cant forgive keeping Eberflus, and some of the other bad moves he's made too. It tells me he is mediocre, which means some good too - but he's not a top GM that gives you an edge in winning as I see it right now.

But now is not the time to rock the boat. I understand rolling with Poles- but I dont understand why they extended him now instead of waiting thru this year first. He had 2 years left on his deal, and I dunno what we gained here - but to be fair Im not sure we lost much either.

Yeah, the one thing Williams had was the unteachable traits, which is what makes good players great. Now with the proper coaching staff and scheme around him, he can improve on the teachables.

There has never been alignment between GM, HC, and QB. The next 4 years will determine if that matters, and I think it will.

[Stinger226]

7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

as soon as I saw Calebs film, like right away, I knew he was special - it took a while to trust that he could be consistent, and he still hasnt been in the NFL. But I think Ben johnson is the guy to get that right - I hope so, we'll see.

My point was just the idea that if someone is already on the team, I think they get extra credit points from you, and I still think Poles is "eh" but I understand that if Poles is the GM like Declan Doyle is the OC, then we might be OK anyway.

But if for example, Poles suddenly went missing and we promoted Ian Cunningham, i think he'd be better.

I still cant forgive keeping Eberflus, and some of the other bad moves he's made too. It tells me he is mediocre, which means some good too - but he's not a top GM that gives you an edge in winning as I see it right now.

But now is not the time to rock the boat. I understand rolling with Poles- but I dont understand why they extended him now instead of waiting thru this year first. He had 2 years left on his deal, and I dunno what we gained here - but to be fair Im not sure we lost much either.

I'm loyal to who is always here with the idea that they will get better. I get the way you view things, lots of fans take that stance, Flus was exposed last year which you were right about but we were one play away from a 5-2 record. The team ended up giving up on him and you never win in that situation. It takes longer for me to lose my loyalty but that doesn't mean I don't notice the bad. 

An example of how you look at things was as soon as we drafted Loveland you start talking about trading kmet instead of looking at the better we will be with more weapons. If I remember, I don't think anyone agreed with your opinion on Kmet not being a good TE and wanting to trade him. Then you backed off a little and  I pushed back on all your negative opinions. Saying he couldn't get open and didn't do well on contested catches. 

He has the best catch rate the last two years for TEs and over his last 3 years 4th in TDs and 10th in yardage for the TEs league wise. 

[Stinger226]

This guy is okay, don't understand why he has as many followers as he does 124 thousand but a realistic view of Poles.