Bears Extend Poles

[CrackerDog]

5 years

[BearFan PHX]

apparently he had 2 years left on his deal, so the extended him 3 more years. That puts him on the same timeline as Ben Johnson.

I'm not sure why they did this now, as opposed to after this year so we could see how they work together, but at least this is slightly more sane than having them not in alignment.

I'm still not sure Poles is the right guy, but with this staff to help him, Im not sure his drawbacks really matter that much.

[Stinger226]

Having a GM and Coach on the same time frame is the only logical choice. They obviously believe this is the coming out year for success and Poles gets to prove his worth. He built the roster and hired a high end coach.  As much as that is important, our future is based on Caleb being a star or bust. 

[BearFan PHX]

Every teams fortunes depend on the QB. This is why your "trade the #1 pick away, lose Caleb and get the haul of picks" made no sense.

Ditto "keep Justin Fields"

[Stinger226]

. Yes I liked that idea but in the pre draft process, as the Bears got sold on Caleb, I started to see his potential and when the bears traded Justin, I was all in to the new best QB to get and sometimes we  change our opinions. I'm sure I seen you hesitant on Caleb in the beginning, you were always consistent on hate Fields though.

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

. Yes I liked that idea but in the pre draft process, as the Bears got sold on Caleb, I started to see his potential and when the bears traded Justin, I was all in to the new best QB to get and sometimes we  change our opinions. I'm sure I seen you hesitant on Caleb in the beginning, you were always consistent on hate Fields though.

as soon as I saw Calebs film, like right away, I knew he was special - it took a while to trust that he could be consistent, and he still hasnt been in the NFL. But I think Ben johnson is the guy to get that right - I hope so, we'll see.

My point was just the idea that if someone is already on the team, I think they get extra credit points from you, and I still think Poles is "eh" but I understand that if Poles is the GM like Declan Doyle is the OC, then we might be OK anyway.

But if for example, Poles suddenly went missing and we promoted Ian Cunningham, i think he'd be better.

I still cant forgive keeping Eberflus, and some of the other bad moves he's made too. It tells me he is mediocre, which means some good too - but he's not a top GM that gives you an edge in winning as I see it right now.

But now is not the time to rock the boat. I understand rolling with Poles- but I dont understand why they extended him now instead of waiting thru this year first. He had 2 years left on his deal, and I dunno what we gained here - but to be fair Im not sure we lost much either.

[adam]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

as soon as I saw Calebs film, like right away, I knew he was special - it took a while to trust that he could be consistent, and he still hasnt been in the NFL. But I think Ben johnson is the guy to get that right - I hope so, we'll see.

My point was just the idea that if someone is already on the team, I think they get extra credit points from you, and I still think Poles is "eh" but I understand that if Poles is the GM like Declan Doyle is the OC, then we might be OK anyway.

But if for example, Poles suddenly went missing and we promoted Ian Cunningham, i think he'd be better.

I still cant forgive keeping Eberflus, and some of the other bad moves he's made too. It tells me he is mediocre, which means some good too - but he's not a top GM that gives you an edge in winning as I see it right now.

But now is not the time to rock the boat. I understand rolling with Poles- but I dont understand why they extended him now instead of waiting thru this year first. He had 2 years left on his deal, and I dunno what we gained here - but to be fair Im not sure we lost much either.

Yeah, the one thing Williams had was the unteachable traits, which is what makes good players great. Now with the proper coaching staff and scheme around him, he can improve on the teachables.

There has never been alignment between GM, HC, and QB. The next 4 years will determine if that matters, and I think it will.

[Stinger226]

7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

as soon as I saw Calebs film, like right away, I knew he was special - it took a while to trust that he could be consistent, and he still hasnt been in the NFL. But I think Ben johnson is the guy to get that right - I hope so, we'll see.

My point was just the idea that if someone is already on the team, I think they get extra credit points from you, and I still think Poles is "eh" but I understand that if Poles is the GM like Declan Doyle is the OC, then we might be OK anyway.

But if for example, Poles suddenly went missing and we promoted Ian Cunningham, i think he'd be better.

I still cant forgive keeping Eberflus, and some of the other bad moves he's made too. It tells me he is mediocre, which means some good too - but he's not a top GM that gives you an edge in winning as I see it right now.

But now is not the time to rock the boat. I understand rolling with Poles- but I dont understand why they extended him now instead of waiting thru this year first. He had 2 years left on his deal, and I dunno what we gained here - but to be fair Im not sure we lost much either.

I'm loyal to who is always here with the idea that they will get better. I get the way you view things, lots of fans take that stance, Flus was exposed last year which you were right about but we were one play away from a 5-2 record. The team ended up giving up on him and you never win in that situation. It takes longer for me to lose my loyalty but that doesn't mean I don't notice the bad. 

An example of how you look at things was as soon as we drafted Loveland you start talking about trading kmet instead of looking at the better we will be with more weapons. If I remember, I don't think anyone agreed with your opinion on Kmet not being a good TE and wanting to trade him. Then you backed off a little and  I pushed back on all your negative opinions. Saying he couldn't get open and didn't do well on contested catches. 

He has the best catch rate the last two years for TEs and over his last 3 years 4th in TDs and 10th in yardage for the TEs league wise. 

[Stinger226]

This guy is okay, don't understand why he has as many followers as he does 124 thousand but a realistic view of Poles.

 

[Stinger226]

 

[BearFan PHX]

9 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I'm loyal to who is always here with the idea that they will get better. I get the way you view things, lots of fans take that stance, Flus was exposed last year which you were right about but we were one play away from a 5-2 record. The team ended up giving up on him and you never win in that situation. It takes longer for me to lose my loyalty but that doesn't mean I don't notice the bad. 

An example of how you look at things was as soon as we drafted Loveland you start talking about trading kmet instead of looking at the better we will be with more weapons. If I remember, I don't think anyone agreed with your opinion on Kmet not being a good TE and wanting to trade him. Then you backed off a little and  I pushed back on all your negative opinions. Saying he couldn't get open and didn't do well on contested catches. 

He has the best catch rate the last two years for TEs and over his last 3 years 4th in TDs and 10th in yardage for the TEs league wise. 

First of all, there isnt a WAY I view things. I think Caleb is going to be great. i think Johnson is going to be great. This idea that I tend to negative is just your reaction to my not joining you on the homer train.

Secondly, I was talking about trading Kmet WAY before the draft. He is not a bad TE, but he isnt worth the $ we pay him. He isnt a great receiver despite the percentage stats that you use. If a WR is almost never open, but catches 4 out of the 5 balls the QB throws him he has an 80% catch rate! Wow! And only 4 catches and 30 yards for the season. Stats like that are deceptive. Watch him run. Watch him cut at the top of a route - he cant shake anyone loose.

See, I dont get infatuated by the deceptive stats like you do. I watch the tape. I see a guy who runs like Frankenstein, and is never open unless its a void in a zone, or on a broken play. But if you want a stat here's one - Kmet has played FIVE seasons in the NFL, and has a career total of 258 catches. That's IT! And you're paying him $11.6M a year?! Poles is NUTS. He extends him, and then takes a TE in the first round. Johnson knows Kmet is not the guy.

Now it seems his role is as an inline blocker. Hes not very good at that at all either, and paying him $11.6M a year tells me that he is on the bubble.

I have also said that if he improves, then we could keep him. I've said that i predict he will have at least until the trade deadline to show he is worth more. He will get his chance with Johnson to learn and grow. But he is definitely on the bubble.

None of that has changed since January for me. Drafting Loveland just went right along with what I already thought.

At $5M a year, Id keep Kmet. I think that's about what he's worth. I'd take a 3rd rounder for him in a heartbeat.

[Stinger226]

Every opinion I have is not only my opinion, lots of people dont agree with you. You are entitled to your opinion. I dont understand the problem you have with all of that. 

[50england50]

29 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Every opinion I have is not only my opinion, lots of people dont agree with you. You are entitled to your opinion. I dont understand the problem you have with all of that. 

 

[BearFan PHX]

30 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Every opinion I have is not only my opinion, lots of people dont agree with you. You are entitled to your opinion. I dont understand the problem you have with all of that. 

because you are SO sure of yourself and everything you think is total homer-dom.

You blew the easiest analysis in Bears history three times. Anti Caleb, Pro Justin, Pro Eberflus.

You, and "lots of people" and the trash podcasts you follow should stop acting like you know ANYTHING and actually learn to watch the players. It's all right there for anyone to see. I'm not the greatest analyst or anything but I know garbage when I see it! So should you!

Tell me again why Dayo is gonna suddenly be a sack machine LOL

Im with Ben Johnson - I want accountability. I want the good stuff to be praised and the bad stuff to be corrected, or traded or cut. I dont have any loyalty to the players, mine is to the team, if they are kicking ass I LOVE them, if not then lets get someone who will.

You always want to hang on to the trash and "golly gee just one more season Im sure theyre gonna be great" UGH Its so difficult to even read that.

[50england50]

This season is crucial because Caleb has to perform. We could have taken Daniels at no2 and got a boat load of picks. 

Some on this board have indicated Caleb will be great. I didn't see it last year. The is no need to berate people who have a different opinion. They can be smug if Caleb is great or will be quiet if he's a bust. 

Ultimately we are all Bears fans and want best for the team. We all are emotionally invested and no one will know what would have been the best for the Bears, if we would have kept Fields and built around him, or taken either Caleb or Daniels.

[50england50]

16 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

because you are SO sure of yourself and everything you think is total homer-dom.

You blew the easiest analysis in Bears history three times. Anti Caleb, Pro Justin, Pro Eberflus.

You, and "lot of people" and the trash podcasts you follow should stop acting like you know ANYTHING and actually learn to watch the players. It's all right there for anyone to see. I'm not the greatest analyst or anything but i know garbage when i see it! So should you!

We are all Bears fans and it is healthy to have different views as long as we are respectful to each other. I would love nothing more than Caleb being the QB answer we have always wanted and I believe Stinger would have a similar view. However, at this point no one can guarantee this is our current trajectory. If Caleb becomes a franchise QB that we have craved, hopefully we can celebrate this with humility. 

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, 50england50 said:

We are all Bears fans and it is healthy to have different views as long as we are respectful to each other. I would love nothing more than Caleb being the QB answer we have always wanted and I believe Stinger would have a similar view. However, at this point no one can guarantee this is our current trajectory. If Caleb becomes a franchise QB that we have craved, hopefully we can celebrate this with humility. 

Oh man, I couldnt agree more. I predict he will be great, but I totally agree, we have to see it on the field. I've been saying that about the whole team the entire time.

Now whether taking Caleb at #1 was the right move - it was. Just like going all on with 4 Kings is the right move. Doesnt mean you're sure to win, but it's the right bet to make.

As far as humility is concerned, I think you're misreading me. i don't think I'm all that. i think Stinger is a homer and falls in love with every player, and the rosy rah rah stuff has just worn very thin with me. I'm ready to take this team seriously, and I am thrilled that Ben Johnson seems to be too. No more room for weak nonsense. That lack of accountability brought us many issues last year, from DJ Moore to Tyreek Stevenson. And I am still a fan of those players, but the culture of permissiveness and unaccountable positivity almost imploded this team last year.

But please do not misunderstand my role in this: in no way do I think that I could be even remotely qualified to be an assistant coach on a mediocre college team.

I dont have a crystal ball or any kind of special insight. What frustrates me is when the emperor is absolutely stark naked and people are discussing his fine clothes. That isn't about my arrogance. Anyone can just look and see he's naked - Im not special. But the people posting articles and podcasts that make wild claims about his clothes are ridiculous - in the sense that they are worthy of ridicule. Thats not me being awesome, it's them being dumb.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, 50england50 said:

This season is crucial because Caleb has to perform. We could have taken Daniels at no2 and got a boat load of picks. 

Some on this board have indicated Caleb will be great. I didn't see it last year. The is no need to berate people who have a different opinion. They can be smug if Caleb is great or will be quiet if he's a bust. 

Ultimately we are all Bears fans and want best for the team. We all are emotionally invested and no one will know what would have been the best for the Bears, if we would have kept Fields and built around him, or taken either Caleb or Daniels.

Ah, I didnt see this part.

So yeah, I totally disagree with you 100%, and I think time will show it. But you're not flooding the site with endless videos about it either. Im not frustrated with you in the least, even if i do think you're wrong about Caleb.

Also, I dont question that you OR Stinger want whats best for the team - we all do. I also agree that Caleb has to perform, although he wasnt as bad last year as people say he was - especially given the chaos around him.

I think Caleb has a higher ceiling than Daniels does. But that's my opinion. By the numbers, Daniels had a very good year. i think it was in part the scheme and the league is going to adjust, but I cant ridicule anyone that says they like him.

BUT Justin Fields on the other hand is 100% a bust. That's already in the books. If you dont see it yet, you will after this year.

But in all this, I dont disrespect you for disagreeing. The deluge of hopium from one other poster is all that gets that response from me.

Protecting the team like a mother protects a young child is not football to me. It just provokes a reaction in me. It's so wrong. Youre not doing that, so you wont get that kind of response from me for what youre saying?

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

because you are SO sure of yourself and everything you think is total homer-dom.

You blew the easiest analysis in Bears history three times. Anti Caleb, Pro Justin, Pro Eberflus.

You, and "lots of people" and the trash podcasts you follow should stop acting like you know ANYTHING and actually learn to watch the players. It's all right there for anyone to see. I'm not the greatest analyst or anything but I know garbage when I see it! So should you!

Tell me again why Dayo is gonna suddenly be a sack machine LOL

Im with Ben Johnson - I want accountability. I want the good stuff to be praised and the bad stuff to be corrected, or traded or cut. I dont have any loyalty to the players, mine is to the team, if they are kicking ass I LOVE them, if not then lets get someone who will.

You always want to hang on to the trash and "golly gee just one more season Im sure theyre gonna be great" UGH Its so difficult to even read that.

I hope you have a big house to store your ego,. It's clear to everyone when you write a small novel every time you have something to say. but it's always personal to you.

I know you think you're smarter than everyone else and the greatest tape watcher on the planet other than Phil's dad  but I don't really GAF what you think. Some people just can't socialize with other adults, grow up. 

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I hope you have a big house to store your ego,. It's clear to everyone when you write a small novel every time you have something to say. but it's always personal to you.

I know you think you're smarter than everyone else and the greatest tape watcher on the planet other than Phil's dad  but I don't really GAF what you think. Some people just can't socialize with other adults, grow up. 

Ok well you did a good job of trying to sound tough, but the difference is everything I said was true, and everything you said was just nonsense.

Im not angry you did that, but i do think youre a fool.

A few points:

Dr Phils dad was a college head coach, and dad's brother was an NFL head coach, so I think they do know how to watch tape. I'm not sure why you're attacking them? I dont always agree with them? I just watch it. You can too.

My non egotistical point remains: ANYONE can see what im talking about on the tape. if it took special extra amazing people to see it, then it wouldnt be so weird that you dont. But no, I'm not awesome. It's not hard to see. Unless youre brainwashed by click makers and influencers.

My point is Im like a lot of people on this board, Ive been watching football long enough to know what im talking about. It's not rocket science. I'm not extra special. You're just missing it. You think its possible the entire NFC Pro Bowl team will just be the Bears. You just gotta believe...

And last, the reason why my posts are long is that I try to prove what Im saying, or give examples, so the point is clear. Its easy to say soundbytes quickly, thats why youre enamored with these hype bloggers, but real ideas are nuanced and might need a few more words to say.

[Stinger226]

Your post clearly shows my point, (ANYONE can see what im talking about on the tape) Just relax and post your opinions. Discussion boards are not about winning the narrative. The most famous homers in sports is the DA BEARS skit on SNL It was about having fun.

 

[BearFan PHX]

Your point was that I was egotistical, that i think Im all that.
My point was that anyone could see it, and so I dont think Im all that.

And then you posted monkeys.

Awesome.

[Stinger226]

11 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Ok well you did a good job of trying to sound tough, but the difference is everything I said was true, and everything you said was just nonsense.

Im not angry you did that, but i do think youre a fool.

A few points:

Dr Phils dad was a college head coach, and dad's brother was an NFL head coach, so I think they do know how to watch tape. I'm not sure why you're attacking them? I dont always agree with them? I just watch it. You can too.

My non egotistical point remains: ANYONE can see what im talking about on the tape. if it took special extra amazing people to see it, then it wouldnt be so weird that you dont. But no, I'm not awesome. It's not hard to see. Unless youre brainwashed by click makers and influencers.

My point is Im like a lot of people on this board, Ive been watching football long enough to know what im talking about. It's not rocket science. I'm not extra special. You're just missing it. You think its possible the entire NFC Pro Bowl team will just be the Bears. You just gotta believe...

And last, the reason why my posts are long is that I try to prove what Im saying, or give examples, so the point is clear. Its easy to say soundbytes quickly, thats why youre enamored with these hype bloggers, but real ideas are nuanced and might need a few more words to say.

I dont call you stupid., a fool, idiot for having your opinion. A lot of times I ignore your responses but then when I do look back  you keep proving the points I make . No one other person on this site keeps a scorecard on what other peoples opinions are and how right you are some of  the time. Then you try to dismiss my comments as foolish.  homerdome, Im brainwashered. NE50 has never argued with anyone or got involved in emotional responses to opinions but even he notices you go to (berating me) because of mine. 

A lot of my opinions are based on what I think the Bears decide, not my self love of what I want to happen. I never loved Flus but thought he showed enough to be kept for one more year and that is exactly what the Bears did. I thought he would get a better OC and improve his overall performance. I never condemned his ability to be a good DC. So the next year he showed his lack of HC ability and gets fired so right away you tell everyone how you were right and tell me how wrong I was for thinking he might get better as a HC. Call me Homer , a Flus lover, you always push that I was extreme in my opinions and how right you were. ( keeping score)

I liked Fields and thought he would improve every year. You tell eveyone how great you are at watching Fields tape and how right you were for calling him trash. Always doubling down on how smart you are. He is not going to be a great QB but in the right system someone will have success with him. You just again called him trash and low and behold He is a starting QB for another team in the league. He has a lot to prove I get that but people do get better in their careers. Lots of examples of that Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold. He will prove you wrong as a starting NFL QB ( not a great QB) but in the league a long time. I liked him because he was a hard worker, team person and had some spectacular abilities. I always wish for people to succeed especially if they are a Bear at the time. Then you continue your trash talk and how wrong I was. ( keeping score). 

You proved the person you are when we were going back and forth and you kept berating me and doubling down on smart you are. You crossed the line when you called me a child molester because I go to Thailand for winters to get away the cold and live cheaper than Florida or AZ. You know nothing about me yet because you dont like me go off on slandering me. I went to a lawyer and wish I would have filed a lawsuit against you for calling me a child molester. It was going to cost me 2500 for a PI to find out your idenity but you just werent worth it me to. A public fan sounding forum should never have things like that happen. I wanted to expose who you are. To be honest the board members never did anything with you for those comments but just tried to keep peace. You at least needed to be suspended from this site for a period of time. 

You have said many times I act like a tough guy with some of my talk, the truth is if we lived in the same city we would have had that confritation. I would care less if I got my ass kicked but all I wanted to do is break your nose so when you looked in the  mirror you would remembered me. That's all water under the bridge , since that time I have always tried to be sociable with you even in our arguments but you always get personal and tell everyone you're the good guy in this exchange.  

I have had a different opinion with lots of people on here and they pushed back on me but never crossed the line like you do all the time. You wage a war with me over having a different opinion and then say you accept me to look like the good guy. I dont like you, cant stand you and admit  it  while you  try to pretend its me, not you. Im not sure if you are trying to get me to quit, not sure of your agenda but I've been on here longer than you and like 95% of the people. I love the Bears and like the discussions. Im not going anywhere. You are right a lot on your opinions but I dont care. I wish I cared enough to make a point how some of your opnions were wrong, but I dont want to feed the war you have with me. I let you call me names and just ignore you. ( lets clear up me saying I love the Bears ) I am not a animal pedophile. 

I am not wrong about your ego, but its okay to have one. You prove it constantly when you respond to me. I hope one day you quit the pettiness and stop the war with me. You have good opinions and add content to this site, but you are not always rignt  even thou you always double down on them.

Kmet is the example you live with now. Im not going to take the time to show all of your comments to try to wage war with you. He has skills and is a good player, not the trash TE you keep saying he is. I cant wait for you to write a small novel explaining why you think I am wrong and you are right . I just did what you always do and wrote a long post to respond to your pettiness.\

I apology to the members for doing this, but its hard to just ignore you when you get personal all the time.  I'll try harder. I am not going to read your response to this post because its always the same short novel pushing back on my comments. I am just trying to figure out how to end this pettines. Say what you want and try to look like the good guy, you're not. 

[Stinger226]

ESPN is questionable with their comments. They say some good things about the Bears but posts like (Calebs floor is bust while his ceilling is Jorden Love) then rate QBs that havent played in the league yet higher. I like ESPN because of a lot of good sports information but some of their hosts opinions are so lame.

 

[adam]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

ESPN is questionable with their comments. They say some good things about the Bears but posts like (Calebs floor is bust while his ceilling is Jorden Love) then rate QBs that havent played in the league yet higher. I like ESPN because of a lot of good sports information but some of their hosts opinions are so lame.

 

ESPN is an absolute joke.

New Coaching Staff: Johnson, DC (name a bigger upgrade in the league in the last 5 years?)
New FA/Trades: Thuney, Dalman, Jackson, Jarrett (trenches)
New Draft Picks: Loveland, Burden, Trapilo (BPA)

There is no other team in the NFL that upgraded as much as the Bears did. It is still on paper, but that's what they are grading on. ESPN has the Bears as the 16th best offseason. They are smoking crack.  It is all clickbait now. 

ESPN hates Caleb too.