Micah Parsons

[BearFan PHX]

So it looks like Micah Parsons wants a trade. Hes only 26 and hes a dominant edge rusher. We sure could use him.

Trade values I've seen look like the Khalil Mack trade tho.

2026 1st round pick
2026 2nd round pick
2027 1st round pick
Montez Sweat
and more

Its a steep price, and Parsons would eat up a lot of cap with a new deal too.

But as i think it through, a few thoughts come to mind:

1) Next years 1st is no problem, because we were probably going to use it to draft a DE anyway. If we took Micah Parsons with our 1st rounder next year, wed all be thrilled. A proven vet etc.

2) Where will the salary cap space come from?

3) We are flush with DBs, and all DBs play better with Micah Parsons in front of them.

4) With Trey Hendrickson also still not happy, the price might be lower than it would otherwise be.

So it makes me wonder if this trade would work:

2026 1st rounder
2027 2nd rounder
Jaylon Johnson
Braxton Jones, Cole Kmet, Dayo or Dom Rob - Dallas picks one.

I think I would do that trade, and it would be a good trade for us.

Thoughts?

And if you immediately go back to the "no those guys are valuable" take the fandom out of it and ask yourself, if we had Micah Parsons, would you trade him to get Jaylon Johnson, Braxton Jones and a first round pick? Of course you wouldnt. So it's a pretty good deal for both sides?

[Stinger226]

15 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

So it looks like Micah Parsons wants a trade. Hes only 26 and hes a dominant edge rusher. We sure could use him.

Trade values I've seen look like the Khalil Mack trade tho.

2026 1st round pick
2026 2nd round pick
2027 1st round pick
Montez Sweat
and more

Its a steep price, and Parsons would eat up a lot of cap with a new deal too.

But as i think it through, a few thoughts come to mind:

1) Next years 1st is no problem, because we were probably going to use it to draft a DE anyway. If we took Micah Parsons with our 1st rounder next year, wed all be thrilled. A proven vet etc.

2) Where will the salary cap space come from?

3) We are flush with DBs, and all DBs play better with Micah Parsons in front of them.

4) With Trey Hendrickson also still not happy, the price might be lower than it would otherwise be.

So it makes me wonder if this trade would work:

2026 1st rounder
2027 2nd rounder
Jaylon Johnson
Braxton Jones, Cole Kmet, Dayo or Dom Rob - Dallas picks one.

I think I would do that trade, and it would be a good trade for us.

Thoughts?

And if you immediately go back to the "no those guys are valuable" take the fandom out of it and ask yourself, if we had Micah Parsons, would you trade him to get Jaylon Johnson, Braxton Jones and a first round pick? Of course you wouldnt. So it's a pretty good deal for both sides?

I just addressed this in Tidbits, no use repeating it,(IMO) its a stupid trade.( TJ Watts just got an average of 41 mil a year contract). (JJ is hurt, generally teams dont trade for injuried players). ( 4 high end assets over the next 4 years) So instead of rookie friendly contracts, we pay guarranuteed 41 mil a year? Besides the 41 mil we would have to pay 15 mil in dead cap space over the next 3 yrs on JJs contract. To be fair, the money is the big problem, not the quality of players in the trade. 

[BearFan PHX]

nah you have it backwards.

if you can get one of the game's best DEs, and pay them like it, you do it. Thats one of the 2 most important positions on a football team.

We cant trade away the future for it in terms of draft picks, but if the only question is salary cap space, you do it in a heartbeat.

I really dont understand why you think the way you do? If you watch the teams, they all make moves that are the opposite of what youre saying.

If you could get Trey Hendrickson as a free agent, for example, and pay him what hes worth you do it in a heartbeat. thats what the $ is FOR.

Also you dont pay dead cap for 3 years. You pay it all at once, or you split it over 2 years if its a post June 1st designation.

If we trade him this year, its $5M against our cap and $16M free cap space. Add Kmet for another $11M and youre already halfway there before cap games - the Bears could afford this if they wanted to do it.

And keep in mind, JJ wants a bigger deal soon too, so thats cap space as well.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Pass, what did Adewale, Peppers, or Mack bring us?  No trophies. 

Trophies come from QBs and I would hold on to all of our assets until we know if Caleb can get us there or not.  

Caleb has a dream team around him, so we should find out sooner than later.   If he doesn’t produce this year, I might consider drafting one to sit behind him for competition or replacement. 

If Caleb comes out and produces as a top 10-12 QB and Parsons is still a holdout, I might consider.  I just dont want to see the Bears go back to trading picks for that final piece like they have for decades.

[BearFan PHX]

19 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Pass, what did Adewale, Peppers, or Mack bring us?  No trophies. 

Trophies come from QBs and I would hold on to all of our assets until we know if Caleb can get us there or not.  

Caleb has a dream team around him, so we should find out sooner than later.   If he doesn’t produce this year, I might consider drafting one to sit behind him for competition or replacement. 

If Caleb comes out and produces as a top 10-12 QB and Parsons is still a holdout, I might consider.  I just dont want to see the Bears go back to trading picks for that final piece like they have for decades.

Well you need a QB that is 100% for sure. But you need a pass rush too. We didnt have a QB when we got those DEs.

And I agree, I am totally against trading 2 first rounders and more - I think we need to build through the draft. That's why I suggested trading players. Trading a single first rounder is a no brainer because we are going to likely use that pick on an edge player anyway. So if your #1 pick is a proven NFL star, that's a win for sure.

It would be the additional #1s that i object to. But if JJ isnt in your long term plans, adding him to the trade makes sense, and he is worth a #1 pick+ too.

[Stinger226]

39 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Well you need a QB that is 100% for sure. But you need a pass rush too. We didnt have a QB when we got those DEs.

And I agree, I am totally against trading 2 first rounders and more - I think we need to build through the draft. That's why I suggested trading players. Trading a single first rounder is a no brainer because we are going to likely use that pick on an edge player anyway. So if your #1 pick is a proven NFL star, that's a win for sure.

It would be the additional #1s that i object to. But if JJ isnt in your long term plans, adding him to the trade makes sense, and he is worth a #1 pick+ too.

Its about the money it would cost, you can make lots of arguments about the talent, but it disrupts the next 3 yrs of contracts he set up to come due when Caleb is ready for a contract. It just doesnt work out.

[Mongo3451]

2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Pass, what did Adewale, Peppers, or Mack bring us?  No trophies. 

Trophies come from QBs and I would hold on to all of our assets until we know if Caleb can get us there or not.  

Caleb has a dream team around him, so we should find out sooner than later.   If he doesn’t produce this year, I might consider drafting one to sit behind him for competition or replacement. 

If Caleb comes out and produces as a top 10-12 QB and Parsons is still a holdout, I might consider.  I just dont want to see the Bears go back to trading picks for that final piece like they have for decades.

💯 The Superbowl teams don't buy edge rushers anymore.  The days of getting a Charles Haley or Reggie White are over.  Pay the offense, draft the defense.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

💯 The Superbowl teams don't buy edge rushers anymore.  The days of getting a Charles Haley or Reggie White are over.  Pay the offense, draft the defense.

this is the general wisdom. I agree. and when you look at a team like the Eagles, they keep going back to the DL.

But we've drafted nothing on the edge for a decade, Maybe you can count Shemar Turner as an edge player?

So it's pretty clear that next year, we're gonna take an edge with our first round pick.

Parsons is 26, and coming into his prime years. I don't mind paying a guy like that what he's worth while Caleb is on his rookie deal.

Anyway, we will probably all agree that the trade price is too high, so its not so likely to happen. Im just saying it's the draft capital that makes it tough for me, not the cap space.

Check this out: as a franchise we havent drafted Edge Rushers much at all.

2025
2nd Rnd Shemar Turner

2024
5th Austin Booker

2023
None

2022
5th Dom Rob

2021
None

2020
5th Trevis Gipson

2019
None

2018
6th Kylie Fitts

2017
None

2016
1st Leonard Floyd

2015
None

2014
None

[Stinger226]

Poles came here in 2022 and thanks to Ryan Pace we had no first round pick, clearly the best round to draft a supreme edge rusher.

Poles made a trade and got  4 first round picks in 23, 24 25 . Darrnel Wright (OL), Caleb and Rome, Loveland. He clearly is building offense which is the direction the NFL has been going to in the last 10 yrs. You only have so many picks and had we prioritized edge, we wont have any one of those 4 picks. Its the path he choose to take, and who did you want instead of those 4 players? It would be hard to say he has ignored defense with Gordon, Brisker, Stevenson, Dexter, Shemar Turner with high picks.

If he has us to a point to be a winning team for the next 3 yrs, did he do it wrong?

[Mongo3451]

I would prefer Jared Verse over Rome.

[AZ54]

17 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

nah you have it backwards.

if you can get one of the game's best DEs, and pay them like it, you do it. Thats one of the 2 most important positions on a football team.

We cant trade away the future for it in terms of draft picks, but if the only question is salary cap space, you do it in a heartbeat.

I really dont understand why you think the way you do? If you watch the teams, they all make moves that are the opposite of what youre saying.

If you could get Trey Hendrickson as a free agent, for example, and pay him what hes worth you do it in a heartbeat. thats what the $ is FOR.

Also you dont pay dead cap for 3 years. You pay it all at once, or you split it over 2 years if its a post June 1st designation.

If we trade him this year, its $5M against our cap and $16M free cap space. Add Kmet for another $11M and youre already halfway there before cap games - the Bears could afford this if they wanted to do it.

And keep in mind, JJ wants a bigger deal soon too, so thats cap space as well.

He's not one of the games best defensive ends.  He's one of the best pass rushers and other than that he's an off-ball LB.  If he is at DE on run downs he either gets around a block or he's walked backwards but he isn't setting an edge like you see with Montez Sweat.   If this were for Myles Garrett go ahead and break the draft and the bank.  I don't want $50mil and all that draft capital tied up on a situational pass rusher regardless of how good he is.  It can be our top priority next draft, even drafting two of them if we want.  

[Stinger226]

24 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

He's not one of the games best defensive ends.  He's one of the best pass rushers and other than that he's an off-ball LB.  If he is at DE on run downs he either gets around a block or he's walked backwards but he isn't setting an edge like you see with Montez Sweat.   If this were for Myles Garrett go ahead and break the draft and the bank.  I don't want $50mil and all that draft capital tied up on a situational pass rusher regardless of how good he is.  It can be our top priority next draft, even drafting two of them if we want.  

goopd point, doesnt fit the scheme. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

2 hours ago, AZ54 said:

He's not one of the games best defensive ends.  He's one of the best pass rushers and other than that he's an off-ball LB.  If he is at DE on run downs he either gets around a block or he's walked backwards but he isn't setting an edge like you see with Montez Sweat.   If this were for Myles Garrett go ahead and break the draft and the bank.  I don't want $50mil and all that draft capital tied up on a situational pass rusher regardless of how good he is.  It can be our top priority next draft, even drafting two of them if we want.  

This is it and I believe we have our DEs for now. (Sweat,Dayo, and Booker,Turner) 

When they go to a Nascar package, I wouldn't be shocked to see Edmunds step up and play that situational pass rusher to add juice. 

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

He's not one of the games best defensive ends.  He's one of the best pass rushers and other than that he's an off-ball LB.  If he is at DE on run downs he either gets around a block or he's walked backwards but he isn't setting an edge like you see with Montez Sweat.   If this were for Myles Garrett go ahead and break the draft and the bank.  I don't want $50mil and all that draft capital tied up on a situational pass rusher regardless of how good he is.  It can be our top priority next draft, even drafting two of them if we want.  

sorry if I misspoke, but yes he is one of the best edge rushers in the game. His pressure rate is 20% - that means he gets pressure in 1 out of 5 snaps. Every team needs a guy like that.
 

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

goopd point, doesnt fit the scheme. 

you guys are nuts. if the trade value is too high, then so be it - but you act like you dont want him. Thats insane.

Stinger, just imagine he is already a Bear and then you will defend the hell put of him.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

This is it and I believe we have our DEs for now. (Sweat,Dayo, and Booker,Turner) 

When they go to a Nascar package, I wouldn't be shocked to see Edmunds step up and play that situational pass rusher to add juice. 

Its not even clear that Turner is going to play DE. But even if he does, turning our collective nose up at one of the best edge players int he league, who is only 26 is weird!

If the trade cost is too much, then i get it. We wont make the trade. But if we can get him, we shouldnt say "we dont need him we have Dayo and Sweat" thats crazy