Stinger226 Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago 47 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: whatever it was it happened before we drafted him, but we didnt know about it. Its not like we knew and said "hes a 5th rounder so who cares?" It could have been our first rounder just as easily. Somehow, there was something major that we didnt uncover. That's not a good look for a multi billion dollar business with all the tools they have at their disposal. Ben Johnson is showing us that accountability is the key to building a culture - its the only way you know whats broken and the only way to fix it. We dont have to worry about Poles' feelings. We can praise him for some moves and criticize him for others. We dont need to rationalize his failures, in fact thats the opposite of accountability. We should notice the good stuff and notice the bad stuff, and be willing to move on from the bad stuff. I remember we were discussing that we should keep Tevin Jenkins just a few months ago. Now, aren't you glad we didn't? Isn't it better for the Bears to move on from players who arent studs, and replace them with studs or people who are still developing who might become studs? I want the team to be great, I am willing to trade or cut anyone if it helps us get better. I believe this draft pick wasnt well vented and was a Al Harris recommended draft pick. It has nothing to do with Poles feelings. It comes down to he has made bad decisions and some good ones. To ignore the good ones doesnt give you a proper evaluation. When you put it on a scale, rate it however you like, that doesnt mean everyone has to agree with you. I am not alone in my C grade for our GM. You act like I want the team to be terrible, that's not even rational thinking. Cut or trade players , for me, I look at the roster as a whole and it looks pretty good to me. I have no idea how old you are but I've been living a Bears fan since the mid 1960s and it has not been good. That doesnt mean I should not have the hope BJ and the team as a group will not be good. \ The most important draft picks are the first round. Colston Loveland-Caleb Williams-Rome Odunze-Darnell Wright. So far these seem to all be good picks. 2nd round Luther Burden-Ozzy Trapilo-Shemar Turner-Gervin Dexter-Tyrique Stevenson-Brisker and Gordon. The jury is still out on some of these picks but the arrow is pointed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said: whatever it was it happened before we drafted him, but we didnt know about it. Its not like we knew and said "hes a 5th rounder so who cares?" It could have been our first rounder just as easily. Somehow, there was something major that we didnt uncover. That's not a good look for a multi billion dollar business with all the tools they have at their disposal. He participated at rookie camp, so that shifts the timeline a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said: He participated at rookie camp, so that shifts the timeline a bit... I do not know how true this is, but he is sitting out so he can learn to read. He was more than likely ashamed. I can see it. He missed games/time before due to academics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: I do not know how true this is, but he is sitting out so he can learn to read. He was more than likely ashamed. I can see it. He missed games/time before due to academics. He can't read? What source did you get that from? Here's a picture of him from rookie camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 9 hours ago, Stinger226 said: Zak Frazier was a 5th round pick so if he never plays a game, those picks miss all the time. I am curious on what's going on in a personal nature? It cant be something criminal or the local pundits would have picked up on that already. I would think if a mom or dad died they probably would explain that. What else could it be? Does he have cancer? Was it a mental disorder? He clearly has some type of illness because Poles said he’ll be under the care of team doctors. No clue beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said: He can't read? What source did you get that from? Here's a picture of him from rookie camp. From X or Twitter. Searched his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted 2 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Even if he participated, Poles himself said it originates from before he was drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 43 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: Even if he participated, Poles himself said it originates from before he was drafted. Poles stated that it was before he got here. Did you read that Poles said pre draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted 1 hour ago Author Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 48 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: Poles stated that it was before he got here. Did you read that Poles said pre draft? Good point. Not specifically, so I guess it could have happened between the draft and camp. I took it to mean that it predated everything. I'll tell you why. My personal GUESS is that it's something mental, he had problems in college understanding the playbook. Some people are guessing he doesnt know how to read. I have no idea if it's THAT, but I wouldnt be surprised if he is dyslexic or something. What we do know is that Frazier participated physically in early camp, but poles says it happened before he got there. So that tells me its not something obviously physical like a broken leg, because then it would have happened after he got here. They also call it personal. Could be a mental illness, a condition or something like that. If it was losing a family member, they wouldnt need to designate him out for the year. It looks to me like some mental issue that hes had before the draft. Mental illness, cant read, dyslexic, something like that. Something that our staff should have uncovered before the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted 56 minutes ago Report Share Posted 56 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: It looks to me like some mental issue that hes had before the draft. Mental illness, cant read, dyslexic, something like that. Something that our staff should have uncovered before the draft. My guess is mental. Dyslexia and/or reading disability wouldn't prevent him from doing. Plus, they are known conditions from elementary school, as you are born with it. Depression, manic depressive and bi polar disorder can develop over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted 7 minutes ago Report Share Posted 7 minutes ago 47 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: My guess is mental. Dyslexia and/or reading disability wouldn't prevent him from doing. Plus, they are known conditions from elementary school, as you are born with it. Depression, manic depressive and bi polar disorder can develop over time. 3 hours ago, AZ54 said: He clearly has some type of illness because Poles said he’ll be under the care of team doctors. No clue beyond that. I've pulled info off of X before that turned out to not be true. I usually like to see a post from someone i know before I think its real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted 5 minutes ago Report Share Posted 5 minutes ago 49 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: My guess is mental. Dyslexia and/or reading disability wouldn't prevent him from doing. Plus, they are known conditions from elementary school, as you are born with it. Depression, manic depressive and bi polar disorder can develop over time. Like you said, you would think he could see Xs and Os on a piece of paper enough to get involved in practices. Has to be mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted just now Report Share Posted just now 4 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: Like you said, you would think he could see Xs and Os on a piece of paper enough to get involved in practices. Has to be mental. Makes you wonder. Maybe he cannot read to operate the computers given to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted just now Report Share Posted just now Picked up Jaylon Jones (former Bear). Didnt he get robbed off the PS last year? Picked up DeMarco Jackson'LB that played for Dennis Allen last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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