53 Man Roster

[Stinger226]

47 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

whatever it was it happened before we drafted him, but we didnt know about it.

Its not like we knew and said "hes a 5th rounder so who cares?" It could have been our first rounder just as easily. Somehow, there was something major that we didnt uncover. That's not a good look for a multi billion dollar business with all the tools they have at their disposal.

Ben Johnson is showing us that accountability is the key to building a culture - its the only way you know whats broken and the only way to fix it.

We dont have to worry about Poles' feelings. We can praise him for some moves and criticize him for others. We dont need to rationalize his failures, in fact thats the opposite of accountability.

We should notice the good stuff and notice the bad stuff, and be willing to move on from the bad stuff.

I remember we were discussing that we should keep Tevin Jenkins just a few months ago. Now, aren't you glad we didn't? Isn't it better for the Bears to move on from players who arent studs, and replace them with studs or people who are still developing who might become studs?

I want the team to be great, I am willing to trade or cut anyone if it helps us get better.

I believe this draft pick wasnt well vented and was a Al Harris recommended draft pick. 

It has nothing to do with Poles feelings. It comes down to he has made bad decisions and some good ones. To ignore the good ones doesnt give you a proper evaluation. When you put it on a scale, rate it however you like, that doesnt mean everyone has to agree with you. I am not alone in my C grade for our GM. 

You act like I want the team to be terrible, that's not even rational thinking. Cut or trade players , for me, I look at the roster as a whole and it looks pretty good to me. I have no idea how old you are but I've been living a Bears fan since the mid 1960s and it has not been good. That doesnt mean I should not have the hope BJ and the team as a group will not be good. \

The most important draft picks are the first round. Colston Loveland-Caleb Williams-Rome Odunze-Darnell Wright. So far these seem to all be good picks. 

2nd round   Luther Burden-Ozzy Trapilo-Shemar Turner-Gervin Dexter-Tyrique Stevenson-Brisker and Gordon. 

The jury is still out on some of these picks but the arrow is pointed up.

[Mongo3451]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

whatever it was it happened before we drafted him, but we didnt know about it.

Its not like we knew and said "hes a 5th rounder so who cares?" It could have been our first rounder just as easily. Somehow, there was something major that we didnt uncover. That's not a good look for a multi billion dollar business with all the tools they have at their disposal.

He participated at rookie camp, so that shifts the timeline a bit...

[ASHKUM BEAR]

3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

He participated at rookie camp, so that shifts the timeline a bit...

I do not know how true this is, but he is sitting out so he can learn to read.  He was more than likely ashamed.

I can see it.  He missed games/time before due to academics.  

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I do not know how true this is, but he is sitting out so he can learn to read.  He was more than likely ashamed.

I can see it.  He missed games/time before due to academics.  

He can't read?  What source did you get that from?

Here's a picture of him from rookie camp.

[AZ54]

9 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Zak Frazier was a 5th round pick so if he never plays a game, those picks miss all the time. 

I am curious on what's going on in a personal nature? It cant be something criminal or the local pundits would have picked up on that already. I would think if a mom or dad died they probably would explain that. What else could it be? Does he have cancer? Was it a mental disorder?

He clearly has some type of illness because Poles said he’ll be under the care of team doctors.  No clue beyond that.  

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

He can't read?  What source did you get that from?

Here's a picture of him from rookie camp.

From X or Twitter.  Searched his name. 

 

[BearFan PHX]

Even if he participated, Poles himself said it originates from before he was drafted.

[Mongo3451]

43 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Even if he participated, Poles himself said it originates from before he was drafted.

Poles stated that it was before he got here.  Did you read that Poles said pre draft?

[BearFan PHX]

48 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Poles stated that it was before he got here.  Did you read that Poles said pre draft?

Good point. Not specifically, so I guess it could have happened between the draft and camp.

I took it to mean that it predated everything. I'll tell you why.

My personal GUESS is that it's something mental, he had problems in college understanding the playbook. Some people are guessing he doesnt know how to read. I have no idea if it's THAT, but I wouldnt be surprised if he is dyslexic or something.

What we do know is that Frazier participated physically in early camp, but poles says it happened before he got there. So that tells me its not something obviously physical like a broken leg, because then it would have happened after he got here.

They also call it personal. Could be a mental illness,  a condition or something like that. If it was losing a family member, they wouldnt need to designate him out for the year.

It looks to me like some mental issue that hes had before the draft. Mental illness, cant read, dyslexic, something like that. Something that our staff should have uncovered before the draft.

[Mongo3451]

5 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

It looks to me like some mental issue that hes had before the draft. Mental illness, cant read, dyslexic, something like that. Something that our staff should have uncovered before the draft.

My guess is mental.  Dyslexia and/or reading disability wouldn't prevent him from doing.  Plus, they are known conditions from elementary school, as you are born with it.  Depression, manic depressive and bi polar disorder can develop over time.

[Stinger226]

47 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

My guess is mental.  Dyslexia and/or reading disability wouldn't prevent him from doing.  Plus, they are known conditions from elementary school, as you are born with it.  Depression, manic depressive and bi polar disorder can develop over time.

 

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

He clearly has some type of illness because Poles said he’ll be under the care of team doctors.  No clue beyond that.  

I've pulled info off of X before that turned out to not be true. I usually like to see a post from someone i know before I think its real.

[Stinger226]

49 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

My guess is mental.  Dyslexia and/or reading disability wouldn't prevent him from doing.  Plus, they are known conditions from elementary school, as you are born with it.  Depression, manic depressive and bi polar disorder can develop over time.

Like you said, you would think he could see Xs and Os  on a piece of paper enough to get involved in practices. Has to be mental.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

4 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Like you said, you would think he could see Xs and Os  on a piece of paper enough to get involved in practices. Has to be mental.

Makes you wonder. Maybe he cannot read to operate the computers given to them. 

[Stinger226]

Picked up Jaylon Jones (former Bear). Didnt he get robbed off the PS last year?

Picked up DeMarco Jackson'LB that played for Dennis Allen last year.

 

[BearFan PHX]

maybe its substance abuse. whatever it is, it caused problems in his college career too, so we should have known about it.

Accountability is sunshine. Making excuses just invites mediocrity.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

maybe its substance abuse. whatever it is, it caused problems in his college career too, so we should have known about it.

Accountability is sunshine. Making excuses just invites mediocrity.

This topic is driving me nuts.  I don't see anywhere that he had issues in college.  Can you provide details?

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

This topic is driving me nuts.  I don't see anywhere that he had issues in college.  Can you provide details?

sure lemme see if I can find it!

[BearFan PHX]

This is from Wikipedia

Frazier was a highly-regarded junior college recruit and initially committed to the Kentucky Wildcats before flipping to the UTSA Roadrunners, becoming UTSA's highest-ranked recruit in program history.^[5] However, he saw limited action in the 2022 season due to issues in learning the team's playbook.^[6] He then faced academic issues in 2023 that led to him being inactive until the ninth game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zah_Frazier

[BearFan PHX]

And here's something on X from Courtney Cronin - it says what we all already knew. But it's worded in a funny way.

It makes it sound like it happened after the draft but before he came to Chicago. But if you read it carefully, it doesnt say it happened after the draft at all. Just that the Bears didnt KNOW about it until after the draft.

And when someone speaks so specifically, they are usually trying to spin or hide something, in this case it feels like protecting the Bears organization from questions that they should have known before they drafted him?

It could be substance abuse that relapsed after the draft, but we should have known about him being clean at least to know there was an issue.

I never used to think secrets like this could be kept very long. But we also never found out why the defensive coordinator was fired either.

I feel like Courtney knows, and a lot of the beat writers with close relationships know, but they also know some things are for publication, and others will make it so you never have access again, so they have to keep quiet about it.

Mongo, like you, and probably all or most of us, I HATE not knowing.


 

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[Mongo3451]

15 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

And here's something on X from Courtney Cronin - it says what we all already knew. But it's worded in a funny way.

It makes it sound like it happened after the draft but before he came to Chicago. But if you read it carefully, it doesnt say it happened after the draft at all. Just that the Bears didnt KNOW about it until after the draft.

And when someone speaks so specifically, they are usually trying to spin or hide something, in this case it feels like protecting the Bears organization from questions that they should have known before they drafted him?

It could be substance abuse that relapsed after the draft, but we should have known about him being clean at least to know there was an issue.

I never used to think secrets like this could be kept very long. But we also never found out why the defensive coordinator was fired either.

I feel like Courtney knows, and a lot of the beat writers with close relationships know, but they also know some things are for publication, and others will make it so you never have access again, so they have to keep quiet about it.

Mongo, like you, and probably all or most of us, I HATE not knowing.


 

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Good stuff PHX!

[BearFan PHX]

23 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Good stuff PHX!

thanks, I mean, Wikipedia is wrong sometimes too, but thats the only information we have about all of this.

[Stinger226]

Isn't there some rules where health information isn't allowed to be shared with out the players consent? Maybe it wasn't available to the public.  Then when he came to camp, they noticed a problem andhe allowed them access.

[BearFan PHX]

Ok, so here's more "info" that just makes it more confusing.

watching TTNL tonight, and came across this.

First off, they know what it is and decided not to spill it because it's "personal" - if you hear them talk it doesn't sound like BS, I think they know, just like i think Courtney Cronin knows.

They say it's "not the Bears fault" to a comment a listener said similar to mine above "there was an issue and the Bears didnt know?" the TTNL guys take every opportunity to take shots at the team when warranted, so if they say its not the bears fault, maybe it isnt. They also say its not Fraziers fault, so its not drug use or something like that.

And more to the point they say "Thank God the Bears found it" as if it was something none of them knew about.

So maybe the trainers detected some kind of medical issue. And they leaned on "personal" like it was testicular cancer or something. And "Thank God" fits that sort of level.

So I have no idea, but watch about 5 minutes starting at 14:12

 

 

[AZ54]

6 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Poles stated that it was before he got here.  Did you read that Poles said pre draft?

Yes it was an existing condition of some sort.  

[AZ54]

So... we have a 53 man roster with no LS?  Are we going to try to keep him there and just make him a game day active as long as possible?  Bears do get notified if someone wants to poach him and can make the first move.  

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2025/08/27/bears-updated-53-man-roster-after-moves/85853033007/