The Ben Johnson Effect

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

I get you.  There's always something you hope for, but sometimes have to get best available. Loveland was the guy.  He seems like he's going to be a difference maker.

After I seen Ben rubbing his hands together with an evil grin, I said he has something good brewing with Loveland

 

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

What if there isn't any D penetrators worth the value of the pick? That's all im saying. Like the LTs were gone, so TE it was.

We get sucked into our major needs, like LT last year, and take a #2 TE who most draft experts had behind Warren.  Among our board, TE wasn't mentioned much or at all. That is why I would not bet.

I have DT/DE as my target when doing mocks.  Read the profiles over and over. The algorithm always has the edges gone but boat loads of QBs.

There's always someone to draft. What the experts may rate as the best may not be. In a redraft, where are teams picking Monangai? Newman looks like he could have been a first year starting OG in the NFL but we picked up top flight players there. He was a 5 th round pick. They will find players. Booker, Turner will be better. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

15 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

There's always someone to draft. What the experts may rate as the best may not be. In a redraft, where are teams picking Monangai? Newman looks like he could have been a first year starting OG in the NFL but we picked up top flight players there. He was a 5 th round pick. They will find players. Booker, Turner will be better. 

All I am saying is everyone that says it is a guarantee the Bears will draft a RD1  DL/DT should keep an open mind. Odds are good that happens but locking it in, never from me.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

All I am saying is everyone that says it is a guarantee the Bears will draft a RD1  DL/DT should keep an open mind. Odds are good that happens but locking it in, never from me.

I take you to mean that you agree thats our biggest need, but if there is a run on D linemen, and the available players are very substandard for the pick, and some other amazing player is there, we might not pick the D lineman. It's a fair point, with TE instead of OT as one example last year, and Burden as another.

Another answer might be to trade down in that scenario.

Also, every year the team fills holes with free agents before the draft. Some are starter level some are semi starter level, but you never want to go into the draft with hard needs for the reason you just said.

And if that free agent is someone significant, it makes the need to get a starter ready player less, and you can find guys to develop.

But one way or another, we are not just gonna shift some bodies around on the D line and go with the same faces as some might say. I believe this is the thing standing between us and a Superbowl (unless we just do it this year anyway LOL) we NEED a pass rush, and you know Johnson knows it too.

Theyre gonna do something major, they kind of have to, and if that in turn may cause them to trade players Like Jaylon Johnson, Tremaine Edmunds and/or DJ Moore, that might have to happen. It's not that those players are terrible, not at all, its just we have to get some dollars and picks on that D line because they guys we have now are just not anywhere near good enough. not for where the rest of this team is headed.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

53 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I take you to mean that you agree thats our biggest need, but if there is a run on D linemen, and the available players are very substandard for the pick, and some other amazing player is there, we might not pick the D lineman. It's a fair point, with TE instead of OT as one example last year, and Burden as another.

Another answer might be to trade down in that scenario.

Also, every year the team fills holes with free agents before the draft. Some are starter level some are semi starter level, but you never want to go into the draft with hard needs for the reason you just said.

And if that free agent is someone significant, it makes the need to get a starter ready player less, and you can find guys to develop.

But one way or another, we are not just gonna shift some bodies around on the D line and go with the same faces as some might say. I believe this is the thing standing between us and a Superbowl (unless we just do it this year anyway LOL) we NEED a pass rush, and you know Johnson knows it too.

Theyre gonna do something major, they kind of have to, and if that in turn may cause them to trade players Like Jaylon Johnson or DJ Moore, that might have to happen. It's not that those two players are terrible, not at all, its just we have to get some dollars and picks on that D line because they guys we have now are just not anywhere near good enough. not for where the rest of this team is headed.

Since I do not seeing a rookie being a threat to opponents year one, they will have to find a way through re-doing contracts or trading players.  Would fa's Trey Hendrickson or Joey Bosa have enough in the tank to be that threat? Or try to trade for a Myle Garrett?  The FA route might allow them to draft prospects and to fit the cap, they may have to trade/cut DJ, Kmet, Edmunds.

[BearFan PHX]

50 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Since I do not seeing a rookie being a threat to opponents year one, they will have to find a way through re-doing contracts or trading players.  Would fa's Trey Hendrickson or Joey Bosa have enough in the tank to be that threat? Or try to trade for a Myle Garrett?  The FA route might allow them to draft prospects and to fit the cap, they may have to trade/cut DJ, Kmet, Edmunds.

for sure. There is no rookie you can get after pick 20 that is ready to hit the field terrorizing NFL O Linemen on day one.

Even if all our picks go to the DL, we still need a free agent or two.

Jaylon Johnson and our first rounder for Garrett? Probably need to add something more to it too. And we would have to trade Edmunds as well somewhere to make room for Garretts contract.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

2 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

for sure. There is no rookie you can get after pick 20 that is ready to hit the field terrorizing NFL O Linemen on day one.

Even if all our picks go to the DL, we still need a free agent or two.

Jaylon Johnson and our first rounder for Garrett? Probably need to add something more to it too. And we would have to trade Edmunds as well somewhere to make room for Garretts contract.

If the Bears had Garrett they would be instant favorites. Picking so late this year and hopefully next, trading  2 - 1sts wouldn't hurt my feelings as long as we have the rest of our picks.  Maybe throw in DJ Moore to help Shedour with a 1st & 2nd. 

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

If the Bears had Garrett they would be instant favorites. Picking so late this year and hopefully next, trading  2 - 1sts wouldn't hurt my feelings as long as we have the rest of our picks.  Maybe throw in DJ Moore to help Shedour with a 1st & 2nd. 

If Cleveland is rebuilding odds are they will want draft picks not players with big contracts. Next year Cleveland is under water on their cap. If they trade Garrett they will have to eat 41 mil in Dead Cap to pick up 17 mil in Cap space. That still keeps them in a negative.

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

6 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

If Cleveland is rebuilding odds are they will want draft picks not players with big contracts. Next year Cleveland is under water on their cap. If they trade Garrett they will have to eat 41 mil in Dead Cap to pick up 17 mil in Cap space. That still keeps them in a negative.

 

Adam showed some re-work and cuts to make room. It can be done, not sure for Garrett's cap but have to be really creative to get that trophy.  You have small opportunities and the Bears have it.

[adam]

The Browns need to get under the cap in March, so they can't move Garrett as a post-June 1st transaction. They will cut Njoku to get $10M and restructure Ward to save another $8-10M.

[BearFan PHX]

I dont think the actual June 1 transactions have to occur after June first anymore. i think it's just a designation now that allows you to spread the cap effect over two years instead of one, but you can do it at any time. i think there is a limited number of players you can do it for, but the actual date doesnt matter anymore.

So for example you could use a June 1 designation to spread the cap effect over two years, but still get under the March number.

I could be wrong about this, but i think this is the deal now?