2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Id be good with something similiar to this. The only DEs id take 1st rd are Mesidor or Parker. We really only need a starting safety and the rest can add young competition to eventually be upgrades.

if there were good LT options that would be there for us in the 2nd round, then I could see it. But in this draft, its either the first pick, or you're adding another body to the mix thats already crowded with mediocre players. Is there a second round LT that is clearly better than Amagadje, Jones, Benedet and the new guy?

Now of course, I didnt know Trapilo's name last year pre draft when I did a lot of pre draft film watching, so if they have another hidden gem in mind, then that changes things. But from where im sitting now, I think there's more depth for Edge and S that will be there in the second round, than at LT?

7 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Id be good with something similiar to this. The only DEs id take 1st rd are Mesidor or Parker. We really only need a starting safety and the rest can add young competition to eventually be upgrades.

I agree with the Messidor and Parker in the first but still think they trade back.

I wouldn't object to a first round LT pick but the ones that would be available there aren't Day one starters. They all need time to develop.

If this was a consideration, I don't think they would have made two moves at that position with Braxton and Wills. Both have questions but so would a rookie LT.

Braxton, Theo, Wills and Kiran are battling for that spot and plus we don't know when Ozzy comes back. Everyone suggests not this season but nobody knows for sure how long it takes.

I don't think we draft a LT in the first for those reasons.

During the NE winning years they always keep trading back and got many players instead of trying to find a stud late in the first round. I think Poles has that same mindset.

5 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

if there were good LT options that would be there for us in the 2nd round, then I could see it. But in this draft, its either the first pick, or you're adding another body to the mix thats already crowded with mediocre players. Is there a second round LT that is clearly better than Amagadje, Jones, Benedet and the new guy?

Now of course, I didnt know Trapilo's name last year pre draft when I did a lot of pre draft film watching, so if they have another hidden gem in mind, then that changes things. But from where im sitting now, I think there's more depth for Edge and S that will be there in the second round, than at LT?

Id go Thienemen, Mesidor, maybe Tj Parker, or Kaleb Proctor, Caleb Lomu round one. Trading down for 2027 picks might be the smartest..if it is deeper.

5 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Id go Thienemen, Mesidor, maybe Taj Parker, Kaleb Proctor, Caleb Lomu round one. Trading down for 2027 picks might be the smartest if it is deeper.

I think we need to add every year a wave of players, it's about winning now. There are good players in even weak drafts, you just have to identify them. If we do pick in the first round, it will be one of those first 3 picks.

Trade down is good, especially without the 5th or 6th round picks, and the lack of compensatory picks (grrr)

But if we pick at 25, I think its LT, thats my guess just from the gut. And again, i dunno, maybe they have a sleeper like Trapilo was in mind and I have no idea about them?

I wouldnt be surprised to see Iheanachor (sp?) be the pick. I know a lot of people have him ranked in the 30s or 40s, but in a lot of mocks on different sites, I see him gone by pick 28 or so too. So the site will have him ranked at like 45th and still have him taken with the 28th pick, because of positional importance. I think thats part of why its hard to be sure someone is gonna be there after a trade down. If you have a cluster of players, then yes, but it youre running out of LTs for example, you might just take him at 25?

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

But if we pick at 25, I think its LT, thats my guess just from the gut. And again, i dunno, maybe they have a sleeper like Trapilo was in mind and I have no idea about them?

Ordinarily, I'd do a backflip for LT, in the first round. This year, I don't see it. We liked Ozzy until he got hurt and should be banking on his full recovery. Braxton will be fully healthy, along with Theo and Kiran. It won't be ideal, but we'll be ok. I'll be astonished if we draft anyone on offense with our first three picks.

Disclaimer: y'all know I won't complain if it is OL.

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Ordinarily, I'd do a backflip for LT, in the first round. This year, I don't see it. We liked Ozzy until he got hurt and should be banking on his full recovery. Braxton will be fully healthy, along with Theo and Kiran. It won't be ideal, but we'll be ok. I'll be astonished if we draft anyone on offense with our first three picks.

Disclaimer: y'all know I won't complain if it is OL.

Agree with everything you stated. We were in the same situation as last year and it worked out. We have more assets this year. Of course if Poles drafts a LT then that means they didn't trust the room.

NIL money is changing the NFL draft and roster building. I don't think that has been fully comprehended yet in mocks and player rankings. As we've all seen, this year there are many older players. It seems that is going to be a trend going forward as players are content to be paid to improve their skills in college versus being a Day 3 draft pick with a less certain future. Some of these older players arrived at this point due to injury but even then in years past we'd see guys make a jump to the NFL quicker to try to get going on earning money.

In the past draft profiles largely focused on athletic talent and teams would draft guys based on projections of what they could become. Now we have a growing number of players where that is less of an issue. Guys like Mesidor are largely a finished product. Teams know what they are getting and in his case he was already coached by Jason Taylor. That's not a bad thing because in essence his floor is now much higher than it was a year ago, or even 2 years ago when he was 23.

In the past GMs wanted a younger player and there was always talk about coaches helping them earn that second contract. With FA being wild and crazy on salaries will GMs start to change their perspective. Drafting a guy like Mesidor, who is a good pass rusher but maybe not best DE, I can lock in his contract for 5 years (if 1st Rd) and let him walk away when he's 30.

Does this flip the back half of the first round where we start seeing the athletic upside guys pushed into the 2nd rd where teams prefer the higher floor older players for a longer contract.