If you play in Indiana, but live in Chicago, I wonder what the tax ramifications would be.

On the surface it would seem like since they have to pay state tax to the states their away games are in, that theyd pay Indiana tax. But some of these cities, like NYC can want their taste if you reside there as your main residence.

What a freakin mess, and I will leave it here because the next points would probably be political, and best to avoid that.

Im a Bear's fan, I dont care about Illinois enough to require that in front of the name. I like tradition but the tradition doesnt lose its history because they move. When I watch video of Dick Butkus play, it isnt presented to me as Indiana. I would prefer they go to AH because its an hour away from me but from a technical view, the Indiana site is 40 minutes from where they play now.

Living in Illinois and how poorly its run doesnt unconditional get my loyalty . No state taxes and warm weather is an advantage over player movement but being a Bear gets you lots of endorsements you may not have somewhere else. A enclosed stadium will do more for getting some players, so do whatever it takes to get the new stadium.

Illinois income tax is 2 percent higher than Indiana. The sales tax in Cook county is 3.5 percent higher than the Indy Metro area. Property taxes and housing are ridiculously higher in Illinois. Jurko lives in Indiana and is constantly saying he prefers the "more house, less money" lifestyle of Indiana. That's coming from a native Chicagoan. Game checks are taxed in the state the stadium is in. I'm not sure about signing bonuses.

4 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Illinois income tax is 2 percent higher than Indiana. The sales tax in Cook county is 3.5 percent higher than the Indy Metro area. Property taxes and housing are ridiculously higher in Illinois. Jurko lives in Indiana and is constantly saying he prefers the "more house, less money" lifestyle of Indiana. That's coming from a native Chicagoan. Game checks are taxed in the state the stadium is in. I'm not sure about signing bonuses.

I was uncertain about the pay taxed place where it goes. I am not sure, but if I worked in Wisconsin but lived in Illinois, it is taxed in WI. That sound right. IF the Bear's moved to Anchorage, I would still be a fan. Many Bear fans on here live other places and it didnt change for them. With modern technology, I never miss a game in Thailand for 5 months, being in the same area has a slight advantage but not a deal killer.

The deadline is approaching and It doesnt look like the great state of Illinois cares about the Bears as much as the wonderful Governor. The Chicago Dems arent supporting the down state Dems because they think if they blow it off, the Bears will come crawling back to Chicago. I think they crawl to Indiana.

4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

The deadline is approaching and It doesnt look like the great state of Illinois cares about the Bears as much as the wonderful Governor. The Chicago Dems arent supporting the down state Dems because they think if they blow it off, the Bears will come crawling back to Chicago. I think they crawl to Indiana.

More like run.

5 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

More like run.

Yes. Indiana has already offered more than Illinois can come up with. The family is trying to be loyal to Illinois at the cost of hundreds of millions. My loyalty would honestly end there.

They bought the land in AH and then found out they were going to jack the property taxes to an outrageous price. Then Warren comes in to save the day so he checked back with the city and no one was cooperating. Then enter Indiana, a well run state.

Here's where we are and it looks like a total sh** show. A poorly run state is never going to give them what they need. HELLO INDIANA

What a disaster. Illinois makes up a tax number which is 5 times more than any other NFL pays and the spin it on the Bears for not accepting it.

The Bears want a fair tax number, some infrastructure help with roads etc, and that is it. So if they move, that tax that was never collected before goes to Indiana and Illinois saves from the infrastructure contributions the Bears asked for. Seems to me the greedy hands of Illinois are going to lose out for their greed.

6 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

What a disaster. Illinois makes up a tax number which is 5 times more than any other NFL pays and the spin it on the Bears for not accepting it.

The Bears want a fair tax number, some infrastructure help with roads etc, and that is it. So if they move, that tax that was never collected before goes to Indiana and Illinois saves from the infrastructure contributions the Bears asked for. Seems to me the greedy hands of Illinois are going to lose out for their greed.

With all this talk about taxpayer cost, they fail to mention the money the Bears will make for the state. No property tax collected being in Indiana. The sale taxes, and other fees the state will collect being in AH. The amount of jobs they will produce for the state. Indiana is in a better fiscal position to do the Bears stadium but know how much income the state will bring in from the Bears. The govt still owes 500 mil on the refurbish from years ago of which the Bears paid off their debt. One of the worst run states in the union as a governing body.

Personally Im a Bears fan wherever they end up granting AH would be better for me being in the Rockford area. Now they can just start the stadium in Hammond and we can end this political speak.

All the pundits are complaining about this sh** show that is moving the team. When the team goes to Indiana, they will still follow the Bears and 95% of the fans will still be fans.

The City of Chicago cant afford to keep the Bears, the State of Illinois cant afford to help the Bears. Indiana is in good financial space and can afford to invest in the Bears.

McCaskey bought the Racetrack and then found out that instead of a fair tax base, Racetrack was paying 3 mil a year, they told them they would be paying between 100-200 mil a year.

They hired Warren and he tried to negotiate with AH and state to get a fair assessment. When that didnt happen he tried to leverage other cities to get what he wanted. Enter Indiana.

Nothing has changed , the state or Chicago cant afford the money because they are bankrupt,. Indiana is in good a financial state.

It doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure how this will play out.

Looks like the board decided on Hammond. We have a decision and can move on. Now lets see this state of art stadium.

11 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Looks like the board decided on Hammond. We have a decision and can move on. Now lets see this state of art stadium.

My guy said, they want to build Bearville. Museums, attractions, restaurants, hotels and bars. There are already two casinos in the area. A year round venue. Indiana will build special ramps on the toll road and other highway. Excavation will occur to remove any slag. A golf course is currently on some of it. Trust me, this will be done really well. Welcome to the Hoosier State. Bear down!

PS: can someone perform a wellness check on our favorite author?

4 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

My guy said, they want to build Bearville. Museums, attractions, restaurants, hotels and bars. There are already two casinos in the area. A year round venue. Indiana will build special ramps on the toll road and other highway. Excavation will occur to remove any slag. A golf course is currently on some of it. Trust me, this will be done really well. Welcome to the Hoosier State. Bear down!

PS: can someone perform a wellness check on our favorite author?

5 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

My guy said, they want to build Bearville. Museums, attractions, restaurants, hotels and bars. There are already two casinos in the area. A year round venue. Indiana will build special ramps on the toll road and other highway. Excavation will occur to remove any slag. A golf course is currently on some of it. Trust me, this will be done really well. Welcome to the Hoosier State. Bear down!

PS: can someone perform a wellness check on our favorite author?

I love when people say its toxic and yet there is a public golf course there. That is political talk because that's all they got. Half of Chicago is built on toxic land reclamation. The state and city is in financial ruins so they cant help the Bears. It would nice to stay there or go to AH but no one wants more taxes in the 3rd highest taxed state in the union. Its closer to the Lakefront than coming from Barrington or northwest of there. Lets get a great stadium (hopeful) and watch the Bears play in a SB there. Caleb will still be here in 5 years.

Just heard this on the radio, as we enter our SB run with Caleb and BJ and they are going to bail on the team. That is not going to happen.

11 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

My guy said, they want to build Bearville. Museums, attractions, restaurants, hotels and bars. There are already two casinos in the area. A year round venue. Indiana will build special ramps on the toll road and other highway. Excavation will occur to remove any slag. A golf course is currently on some of it. Trust me, this will be done really well. Welcome to the Hoosier State. Bear down!

PS: can someone perform a wellness check on our favorite author?

Its 20 miles from soldier field, still Chicagoland. Indiana doesn't have the crooked politicians and unions trying to squeeze more into their pockets than what is reasonable.

Bearville sounds like a great venue for the Bears! For me its good food tailgating before and then sometimes finding dinner on the way home.

2 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Its 20 miles from soldier field, still Chicagoland. Indiana doesn't have the crooked politicians and unions trying to squeeze more into their pockets than what is reasonable.

Bearville sounds like a great venue for the Bears! For me its good food tailgating before and then sometimes finding dinner on the way home.

Good point a facility that will have a great spot to tailgate and to support fans.

7 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Its 20 miles from soldier field, still Chicagoland. Indiana doesn't have the crooked politicians and unions trying to squeeze more into their pockets than what is reasonable.

Bearville sounds like a great venue for the Bears! For me its good food tailgating before and then sometimes finding dinner on the way home.

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Good point a facility that will have a great spot to tailgate and to support fans.

I forgot to mention, multiple parking garages and tailgating areas. There will be Uber lanes, bus lanes and train shuttles, plus every fan will be able to drive and park if they choose. They want a year round venue..

If they build it fans will come. Many years ago the Cardinals built their stadium in Glendale which was, at the time, in the middle of nowhere. Civilization is now built up all around it. I have no clue what Hammond looks like now but in 20 years it will be a lot different.

So for what it's worth, the resolution is non binding. This well could be a move to create leverage to force Illinois to do what's necessary to make Arlington heights work.

It's a high stakes game of chicken, but the outcome isn't necessarily decided yet.

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

So for what it's worth, the resolution is non binding. This well could be a move to create leverage to force Illinois to do what's necessary to make Arlington heights work.

It's a high stakes game of chicken, but the outcome isn't necessarily decided yet.

Warren has been playing politics because he eventually wants to be the Mayor of Chicago, that's why he keeps playing with Chicago. This time the board voted on it which excludes his games. Until shovels are in the ground is what matters . I would prefer AH because its a hour away from me but the state and city are in a bad financial situation and cant help the Bears unless they add more taxes in one of the highest taxed states in the Union but this is a major step in going to Indiana.

I dont see how anything Warren has done would help him be Mayor of Chicago. Playing politics (and losing!), being two faced all that stuff it doesnt make him more popular.

Honestly that's the first I've heard anyone say Warren wants to be mayor. You say it like it's a fact, at best it's a longshot hot take.

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I dont see how anything Warren has done would help him be Mayor of Chicago. Playing politics (and losing!), being two faced all that stuff it doesnt make him more popular.

Honestly that's the first I've heard anyone say Warren wants to be mayor. You say it like it's a fact, at best it's a longshot hot take.

I was lost too. Warren seems to be a yes sir type. Every clip Ive seen of him has been of him being that. To be honest, he seems to be worthless, unless he told the McCaskeys its Ben Johnson or bust.

8 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

So for what it's worth, the resolution is non binding. This well could be a move to create leverage to force Illinois to do what's necessary to make Arlington heights work.

It's a high stakes game of chicken, but the outcome isn't necessarily decided yet.

I doubt it. Anyone who watched the IL politicians blame the Bears for this situation knows that was the final straw. David Haugh said he agreed with the politicians the Bears lost credibility and this is their fault. How? By purchasing land in IL explicitly for a new stadium? That’s pretty threatening behavior for an NFL team.

if after two years IL couldn’t make a deal comparable to other states/teams it won’t happen now after this decision. That might be best near term for a bankrupt state since they can’t afford anything. These stadiums are money losers. But IMO they improve quality of life and in the long term that makes an area more attractive to development.

I’m old enough to remember all the corruption around the AZ Diamondbacks stadium deal. Phoenix was much smaller then. Why are we giving them money? There were similar issues with the Coyotes hockey team. Are we really thinking they’ll watch hockey in the desert? Then of course multiple votes for the Cardinals stadium. Then the realization they wanted to build it in the middle of nowhere on the other side of the city from where the majority lived

Now Phoenix is one of the largest cities and still growing. People like to live around cities with lots of entertainment options Big businesses look at that when deciding where to locate It’s not the only thing of course but it helps when recruiting people. With that we are now on the verge of being one of the largest semiconductor manufacturing areas in the world It’s a big change from the call center businesses that dominated the area in the 90s. The area where they built the Suns and DBacks stadium was the worst part of the city. Now it is home to a vibrant urban area where thousands of young adults live with all their scooters and electric bikes

Indiana will be using this as a recruiting tool to bring in more businesses to the area. It’s still close enough to have the benefits of other entertainment in Chicago. Ultimately that long game is how you get back the money given to the team

I dont know if this matters, call it a conspiracy theory:

The Arlington Heights land purchase agreement specifically denies the Bears the ability to build a Casino or Sports Betting, protecting nearby Casinos that already exist, and probably have some political sway.

Maybe while Virginia was alive, that concept wasnt even considered, but now, when you look at it, Hammond would allow the bears to do that, and thats a license to print money.

So, continuing the conspiracy theory, imagine the Bears decide they WANT Hammond, and the casino, so how do they do that without making fans angry? By having the IL politicians reject them. No traffic study, no listening to lobbyists, not good communication to politicians.

What if the Bears end up in Hammond, build a Bearsville, with restaurants, and Bears museums, and of course, a Casino. ANd they get to do it while everyone thinks it wasnt them that wanted it?

It may not have been planned that way, pretty slick if it was, but it may end up like that anyway. So either Kevin Warren is a secret genius, incredibly lucky, or this is all a really bad idea.

Is casino $ a hidden factor in this?