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Right that's what i was saying. They will take that $15M owed next year and restructure it out and fold it into a 3 year deal at $6M a year or something. And thats the same deal they will get if we cut him anyway. So does a team want to spend a 6th rounder to be sure they get the exclusive negotiating rights? If there's more than one team that would take him at $6M a year, then someone might want to trade to make sure they get him. But he's gonna get between $6M and $8M a year next year from someone.

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Sure if you have one buyer and one seller. $15mil could easily be converted into a bonus with lower salaries in year two or three bringing it to an AAV much less than $10mil.

I understand your point but if I was negotiating a deal, I would rather start at 0 than 15 mil. It will surprise me if many teams value him at 15 mil but you only need one.

I prefer the term( finished a deal) and not( in the process). Nothing is guaranteed until the money flows. I don't trust Illinois politicians.

It's funny that fans were bitching about moving from downtown to Arlington Heights. Then, they go berserk over Indiana. Now, Arlington Heights is a huge win. People are such sheep...🤪

Mitch got the raw end of the deal. Nagy + COVID in 2020 was the ultimate double whammy. Mitch went 6-3, while Foles went 2-5 with the same team. In the 3 games Trubisky "lost" the Bears allowed 35, 43, and 41. The Bears defense didn't allow more than 26 with Foles at QB. The Bears declined his 5th year option only to lose more games the following year, then fire the entire staff. He still has a winning record at QB, with a 78-48 TD-INT Ratio and a career 86.9 QB Rating. Not a superstar, somewhat limited, but still better than Brady Cook, McCarthy, Ward, Gabriel, Mills, Smith, Wentz, and Rattler, all of whom started multiple games last year.

I think this was always going to be the outcome, and stupid politicians and team Presidents need to do the whole dance for God knows what reason. It's so stupid, but yeah, I think that's where we will end up.

For sure, even if we take a QB in the 6th round or something too.

he's probably not worth a 2nd, but he is worth something to us as well as a backup, so if you want him a year early you gotta pay a premium, that's why the 2nd. Next year, we would take a 3rd, but right now, I think we keep him another year and take the 3rd next year if thats all thats being offered. Also, if you think he's your starting QB, maybe you do think he's worth a 2nd if you really believe in him over other options?

I think the idea is that they would pay a 6th rounder to make sure they could sign him and not have someone else get him. Your point about the salary is a fair one. On the surface, the team trading would have to take on his contract, with $15M this year. But of course they wouldnt be trading him for one year OR wanting to pay that, so they will sign him to a new deal instead. I'm no cap expert, but i think as long as his new deal totals the $15M he is due or more across the life of it, they can do it. Maybe with Edmunds agreement they can just ignore it, I dunno. But I expect he'ill get a deal of at least 2 years, and the total value of the deal will exceed $15M so it can be a restructure to get him to a more reasonable number?

I'm not sure why any team would trade for him when they know he is going to be released. They can negotiate a new salary instead of paying him a big paycheck.

Bears are allowing him to seek a trade. Would be nice if they could flip him for a 6th rounder...or even kind of a - we trade our 5th for a higher 5th type of a deal.

Bagent hasn't shown he ISNT he guy where as Mitch has clearly gotten the chances and shown he isn't a full time starter. I don't think anyone would view Bagent as worthy of a 2nd round pick - unless it was a conditional type of pick.

Sounds like Illinois is in the process of finalizing an agreement for Arlington heights site. So I expect we'll see shovels in the ground sooner than we think at the Bears preferred site.

If the Bears trade, then expect a mid-lower level vet like Tyrod Taylor to be signed.

I also think that Caleb will leave $10M/yr on the table the way his idol Tom Brady did.

The first thought is the Bears will have expiring deals that they can just let go, freeing up cap to extend Caleb, however, there are also key starters that will need to be extended/signed to bigger deals, like D. Wright. The max deal AAV for QB is $60M now, with all the top 5 guys making $55M. I am assuming that will climb some in the next few years. Caleb is making basically $10M AAV, so the Bears will need to make room for around $50M for him in today's cap dollars. Moore is $28.5M, Odeyingbo is $20.5M, so the space is there as long as Poles is better with his cap management going forward. Moore+Edmunds+Odeyingbo+Jarrett=$85M in cap dollars this year, you replace them with Williams new deal and have approximately $35M left over for WR3, LB1, Edge2, and DT2. The hope is two of those are rookie deals, leaving most of the $35M for the other two.

Bagent for a 3rd? I think the Bears pull the trigger. It would more than likely be a bad team in need of a QB, so a high 3rd, top 75 pick. Bagent is a solid QB, but I don't think he is "beating" anyone. He would be fine to hold the fort down for a few games, but it's not like he is Foles coming off the bench to replace Wentz. For the Bears, I would rather have another player, potentially a starting Safety on a new 4-year rookie deal in 2026 or 2027 than Bagent as the backup. The Bears are going to need as many key contributors/starters on rookie deals for when Caleb gets his new deal. So the trade-off for me is always going to be leaning towards a player on a rookie deal > vet that can be traded unless the drop off is too big (trading Sweat to draft a punter).

Bagent has very little on him, were the others have more tape and been around longer. One thing we havent seen is Bagent behind the rebuilt oline and a competent offense. I am sure the Bears know his value and doubt a 3rd would do it since they do not have anyone at backup.

They rarely tip their hand, but he did mention making hard decisions. To me that is moving on from guys under contract, not about UFAs. So that was a signal that Edmunds and Moore are gone, one way or another.

I think it is wild seeing Malik Willis as the #1 Free Agent on many lists. His agent is a masterclass. The guy has one start with over 210 yards passing. How is he any different than a guy like Tyler Huntley? Hell, I would take Mitch over Willis any day. Which leads me to this, why would teams be interested in Bagent but not someone like Trubisky? That confuses me. It is not like Trubisky would cost an arm and a leg to get.

Here is some stupid rumors I've seen and throw them into a scenario for our off season. Bears trade DJ Moore for Devonte Sweat/ NT/ Tenn . Sweat is 25 , great against the run but not much of a pass rusher. 2.6 mil a year but we save 16.5 mil. Contract runs thru 27. We trade D Swift and Bagent for Josh Sweat at AZ. Sweat had 12 sacks last year and 49 hurries with 3 FFs. His Cap this year 16.5 mil and has 4 years left in his contract with the last one being a voided yr. Swift and Bagent move 13.3 mil in salary. We resign Byard, Demarco Jackson, Zaccheaus , Keenum and E Hicks plus Gardner-Johnson to play SS on a 1 yr deal. In this scenario we get the comp pick around pick 100. In the draft we trade pick 25 for for Seattle pick 32 and pick 96. 32- Lee Hunter/ DT 57- Gabe Jacas/Edge 89- Isaiah World/ OT 96- Nicholas Singleton/ RB 100-Jalon Kilgore/ S 129-Kyle Louis/ LB 163-Marlin Klein/ TE 240- Andre Fuller/ CB 242- Miller Moss/ QB

Right, getting him a year early should cost something like a 2nd. Maybe more. Starting QBs don't grow on trees, and if you're paying a 2nd, you think he's a starter. If teams feel he isn't worth it, then they can wait until next year. If they believe in him, then they should pay.

I think the problem is I can’t see someone offering a 2nd..if they did he is gone. A 3rd is probably what it would take but Bears may prefer to wait a year in that case. If it happens I think a 3rd with a conditional pick in the following year - if he hits it big maybe it escalates to a 2nd and if it doesn’t hit goes as low as an additional 5th or 6th.