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It is also hard to compare Williams rookie year with this year or anyone else's rookie year. The more you look at what occurred around him, it is amazing what he was able to accomplish under so much duress.
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Pix, there are a lot of recent examples of players improving YoY. Josh Allen had a 52.8% Comp his rookie year, 58.8% his 2nd year, and has never been below 63% in his last 6 years, but it took him until his 3rd year to get there. The crazy part about that was he had Brian Daboll the entire time. Another comp is Stafford, who only had one season above 60% comp in his first 5 seasons. Now with a career average of 63.5%. Goff had a 54.6% his rookie year, 62.1% his 2nd year and now has a 66.0% for his career. Williams will improve. The goal was 70%, but probably not realistic for his first year in the system. I think if he can improve in the 2nd half and get near 65%, that would be a good step in the right direction.
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Week 9 Official Game Thread - CHI @ CIN, Nov 2nd, 12PM CST, CBS, CHI -1.5
BearFan PHX replied to adam's topic in Bearstalk
well I agree he could end his career in the 60%s and that wouldnt mean he hadnt been great, your list shows that, but I also think that no one ever coached him on his footwork before, and Johnson is working with him on it, so there are reasons to be optimistic too. He's still so new, I see a really high ceiling for him. -
I might suggest he may never improve on his completion %. With vastly improved coaching, offensive line, and skill players, and after playing 25 games in the NFL, his completion percentage is lower this year than last. However, not all HOF quarterbacks had great accuracy. Brady was at 64.3% for his career, but then again, he is arguably the GOAT. The following list was from a Google AI search. I did some spot checks of the figures, and they seem accurate. Some rounding up or down, but very close or exactly as noted in online references for individual players.
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Week 9 Official Game Thread - CHI @ CIN, Nov 2nd, 12PM CST, CBS, CHI -1.5
BearFan PHX replied to adam's topic in Bearstalk
yes, exactly. and I think two weeks ago he was throwing behind his WRs, so in making adjustments, he was throwing too far out in front this past week. hopefully he gets it dialed in soon. -
That would honestly be cool, but I prefer 10+ point wins where they are putting teams away and controlling the clock for the last 5 mins of the 4th quarter.
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and Edwards had surgery on his wrist and is out a few weeks now. If the Bears can't beat the Giants at home, w/o Skattebo, and their top WRs are Robinson and Slayton, they don't deserve to be in the playoffs anyway.
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Saw a thread on Twitter about EPA, so in looking for one thing, I ran across some interesting plays. These were the most impactful negative plays against Williams so far this season that were not an Interception or fumble lost: Week 8 - BAL - Bears down 30-16 with 33 seconds left. 4th and 1, Incomplete pass to DJ Moore, -3.9 EPA Week 6 - WSH - Bears up 13-7, 2nd Quarter, 4th and 1, Incomplete pass to Odunze, -3.5 EPA Week 4 - LVR - Fumble but recovered, 4th Quarter, 3rd and 5, -2.6 EPA Week 2 - DET - 2nd Quarter, 4th and 1, rush for no gain, -3.5 EPA Week 1 - MIN - 2nd Quarter, 4th and 3, incomplete to Moore, -3.5 EPA (2nd most important play of that game) Week 1 - MIN - 1st Quarter, 3rd and 2, Odunze for -4 yards, -2.3 EPA (9th most important play of that game) These were all top-10 most impactful plays for that week (for either team). A few things stand out, they treat a turnover on downs as bad as an INT, but only on the QB. If a receiver makes a reception but loses yards on the play, that is also on the QB. Garbage time stats still matter, which can pad stats but also hurt. In this case, Caleb lost 3.9 EPA on the last play of the game against BAL down 14 pts. The fumbled snap against LVR which lost 6 yards was -2.6 EPA. These plays are considered so bad that it takes a monster play to offset them or several positive plays.
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Week 10 Official Game Thread - NYG @ CHI, Nov 9th, 12PM CST, FOX, CHI -3
Bears4Ever_34 replied to adam's topic in Bearstalk
Giants front 7 makes me a little nervous for this game if the Bears have to play from behind late in the game. Luckily, the Giants are just as terrible against the run as the Bengals were, so if they can continue running the ball, that'll alleviate many of my fears about their pass rush. On the flip side, Dart has found out ways to still be effective without his top weapons. He's really dangerous with his legs. No Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase this week, but the Bears can't take the Giants lightly. Dennis Allen needs to step up and call a better game, too. After this game, the schedule gets a lot more difficult. Just get to 6-3, and then let's beat the shit out of Minnesota the following week to really catapult this team into serious playoff contention. -
Ah. Then I think this one comes down to coaching…and maybe homefield advantage. With the edge to Shannahan. If Johnson pulls off the win, he’d be raised a few more notches. And how about if Moody were to come back and kick for that game and the Bears win because of a last minute FG?
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Ah. I misread what I saw about the Falcon game. I thought they were down by one in the fourth. When in fact (ironically) Penix was actually the one trying to make the comeback for Atl.
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Week 10 - 1. Maye - XXX Season QBR: 74.2, 2,285 yards, 17-4 TD-INT, 34 Sacks, 2 TD, 1 FL 2. Penix - XXX Season QBR: 57.7, 1649 yards, 8-3 TD-INT, 10 Sacks, 1 TD, 1 FL 3. Williams - XXX Season QBR: 55.4, 1916 yards, 12-4 TD-INT, 14 Sacks, 2 Rush TD, 1 Rec TD. 4. Nix - 53.4 QBR - 150 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 1 sack, -2 Rush Yds. 148 Total Yards. Won Season QBR: 54.9, 2126 yards, 18-8 TD-INT, 10 Sacks, 3 TD 5. Daniels - XXXX Season QBR: 51.1, 875 yards, 7-1 TD-INT, 13 Sacks, 2 FL 6. Rattler - XXX Season QBR: 50.1, 1450 yards, 8-4 TD-INT, 1 FL (benched for rookie) 7. McCarthy - XXX Season QBR: 31.8, 444 yards, 4-4 TD-INT, 14 Sacks, 2 Rush TD
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Can you imagine the media firestorm if Williams threw 2 INTs with several other bad throws, only had 150 yards passing with one of them for 43 yds, which means the other 15 were for 107 yards? Instead, Nix wins Player of the Game, lmao! The game-winning FG came after a blocked punt where the offense lost 2 yards. Nix in his last 2 games combined: 34-65, 52.3%, 323 yds, 4.97 Y/A, 3 TD, 3 INT - but both were wins, so he is gritty. In those 2 games, DEN allowed a total of 22 pts and scored 28 lmao.
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Yeah, the difference is Payton is better than Nagy. Outside of like 5 quarters of play, Nix has been terrible. In those 5 quarters though, All Pro QB. In the other 35, not an NFL starter. Carroll was a great coach and rah rah guy, but not anymore. He looks lost out there.
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Could just be related to how much he steps forward as he throws. A shorter step and your body tends to rise up as you throw leading to a higher pass. A longer setup flattens or the arc or the arm leading to a bit of an under throw. Ben Johnson made him change his footwork this year so imaybe we shouldn’t be surprised there is some inconsistency.
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I assume by your comment, you watched tonight's game? Pete Carroll is an idiot. Why in the h*ll did he allow G Smith to return to the field when he could hardly walk? STUPID!!!
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Week 9 Official Game Thread - CHI @ CIN, Nov 2nd, 12PM CST, CBS, CHI -1.5
ASHKUM BEAR replied to adam's topic in Bearstalk
Great to see credit be given to this oline. This squad can run block and a good run team opens the pass. This makes it much easier for Caleb to grow confidence in his abilities which if he get dialed in, we can see a special player. -
Bo Nix is 2018 Mitchell Trubisky on this Broncos team. Where would he be without that defense?
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Week 9 Official Game Thread - CHI @ CIN, Nov 2nd, 12PM CST, CBS, CHI -1.5
BearFan PHX replied to adam's topic in Bearstalk
Watching the all 22, one thing that stood out to me is that Caleb was overthrowing guys. the previous week he was underthrowing them, and he needed to do a better job of getting the ball out in front of receivers so they can run. That feels like he's trying to dial it in. And it's not making the same mistakes weeks in a row. -
Thank you. I found a setting and the ad blocker was off. If you dont have that on this site is difficult. I think I turned it off because my service was not finding the server. All back to normal now.
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I also couldn't embed the video so just posted the link. It is interesting to listen to former Oline talk about what they see in the game. As good as Darnell Wright's block was even better was watching Benedet move a DB right off the field. What made me laugh was watching the trailing officials reaction to it which starts at this screenshot.
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Louis Reddick is a believer.
