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totally agree, and I also agree that where they have him ending up seems fair. And there is nothing that says he cant do better than that too this year. Soon he should be a top 5 QB, thats what you expect from a consensus number one overall with his skill set.

Oh yeah, for sure, but even then, he wasn't that far off in the dysfunction last year.

The line opened with Bears -1.5, which is what it was when I created the thread. Since then it has gone 3pts in MIN's favor. So people have been putting more money on MIN as they are now giving pts to the Bears. Bears +1.5 is actually a pretty good bet right now.

right. Im just saying the bet is where Caleb will be at the end of the season, not right now. when DABEARS said "Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together. " I was just saying - right based on what we've seen would be the MVP vote right now, but the bet is what the MVP vote will be at the end of this season, after we see more things than weve seen so far.

man you are such a jerk - you really are. Im not the only that told you that adding words like "I think" before a statement is good practice. Instead you just say "Ben Johnson is not going to" And when I say my opinions the right way, now youre saying that means Im making definitive statements somehow? How does that even make sense to even your tiny little pea-brained mind? You are like arguing with a woman. You take zero responsibility for waht you say, and you try (and fail) to twist things illogically to make it as if I was doing what you actually were doing. Grow up and take responsibility for what you say. Also, what is this fascination you have with people's contracts ending when Caleb's comes new? Thats not a thing. Youre confusing getting the GM and coach aligned. The idea is you space your contracts out so they dont all come due at once. Otherwise, you resign Caleb and have no one left? That makes sense to you? What this all really is - is it upsets you to think about trading anyone on the team. You have some need to protect the feelings of DJ Moore - trust me, he doesnt know who you are, he doesnt know who I am, he doesnt give a crap about what we think. But if you look at the good teams int his league, they trade the good players that they arent going to extend. When young players on rookie deals challenge highly paid and good starters, then the teams trade the starters. This isnt rocket science, although for your tiny angry reactive brain even rock science seems too much. Take responsibility for what you say and stop being such a bitch.

so the line originally was Vikings by 3.5, and now its vikings by 1.5 or 1 - that means they needed to adjust the line to get more $ on the Vikings side. It means bettors are enamored with Ben Johnson and probably over confident in him? The opening line is closer to what Vegas THINKS will happen, and then the activity of the bettors adjusts it from there. Obviously too many people took Chicago and 3.5 points, so they dropped the line. So I guess Vegas saw the Bears as 3 point dogs, and the people disagreed.

Good stuff. There's only one Jamir Gibbs though. Swift can hopefully bust some good runs. BJ should know...

I wanted to see how Dennis Allen's defenses have played to start a season, and they normally start out pretty hot. Here are Dennis Allen's last 5 Week 1 Games (5-0): 2024 - 47-10 CAR, Young 13-30, 161 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT, 4 Sacks, Hubbard 6-14 rushing. 2023 - 16-15 TEN, Tannehill 16-34, 198 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 3 Sacks, Henry 15-63 rushing. 2022 - 27-26 ATL, Mariota 20-33, 215 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 Sacks, Patterson 22-120 rushing, 1 TD. 2021 - 38-3 GB, Rodgers 15-28, 133 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT, 1 Sack, Jones 5-9 rushing. 2020 - 34-23 TB, Brady 23-36, 239 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 3 Sacks, Jones 17-66 rushing. 5 games, only 2 Passing TDs allowed, but 9 Interceptions, and 11 Sacks. No QB passed for more than 239 yds (T. Brady) 4 out of 5 games had 2+ INTs 3 out of 5 games had 3+ Sacks Only 1 rusher over 70 yds (Cordarelle Patterson lol) I also looked at how Aaron Jones played against Dennis Allen defenses. In his last two games against Allen, Jones is 21-78 yds, 1 TD, and 4-30 receiving. In the 3 seasons Johnson was OC for DET, they are 2-1 in season openers. They lost to PHI 38-35, beat KC 21-20, and beat LAR 26-20. All 3 games had super tough defenses to deal with and they still averaged 27.3 a game, while Dennis Allen defenses allowed an average of 15.4 pts per game over the last 5 seasons. On the flip side, KOC's Vikings beat GB 23-7 in 2022 (Donatell DC), lost 20-17 against TB (Flores DC) in 2023, and beat NYG 28-6 last season. So KOC's offenses have averaged 23.6 per game in Week 1, and Flores' defenses have averaged 13 pts per game allowed over the last two seasons. However, Johnson's offenses, in 4 games, have never scored under 30 pts against a Flores defense. The Eagles, Packers, and Rams have scored 30+ on a MIN+Flores team each once, but Johnson's Lions were 4 for 4 over the last two years. So Ben knows something. One time could be a fluke. Two times, there is smoke. 3 times? Fire, but 4 out of 4? Inferno.

So the line has moved 3 pts in MIN favor since the opening line. Odd considering their true WR2 is suspended, Jefferson has been dealing with a hamstring issue, and Nailor, their projected WR3 has a hand injury. So it seems like there is going to be a lot of Jones and Hockenson, putting a lot of pressure on the LBs. Since the swap, I actually like both Edwards and Edmunds better.

Caleb was 17th in Passing Yards and 15th in Passing TDs in a completely dysfunctional offense as a rookie QB. Now entering his second year with better coaching and weapons, to me, it would seem like you could expect him to improve enough to be near the top 10. He would've needed 310 more passing yards and 5 more passing TDs last season for 11th. That is 18 more yards per game and basically one extra TD every 3 games.

Vegas is normally in the ballpark on these because they make the most money when they are closest to the middle. So plus or minus 2-3 spots. So they think Caleb will be somewhere in the range of 8-14, which to me, checks out. He was 17th in Passing Yards last season and tied for 15th in TD Passes. So a few spots with a better coach and more weapons is not that far of a reach.

You voiced your opinion and I voiced mine but of course your butt hurts because of the way I word statements. You just never stop. By suggesting that we trade DJ or before you said Kmet, you appear to be in BJs head with those statements. Poles is the GM but clearly BJ influenced the draft by the Loveland and Burden picks. Do you think his idea was lets draft these players so we can get rid of assets? He wants more weapons and has mentioned that in several interviews. Offensive minded coaches aren't even thinking about getting rid of weapons in his first year. The way Poles handed out contracts , everything is coming due when its time Caleb needs a contract. As far as future roster building , I think its thru the draft and cheap FA pickups. When you want to trade for huge contracts, you would have to dump assets, and they arent doing that . (IMO) You are going to say next year is different but this year is not a SB run, next year could be and no one is going to do that by dumping assets. You are assuming LT and pass rusher are a problem and you may be right, but they are going to let it play out and go from there. Neither of us know what will happen next year but we both have opinions.

This guy makes some good points. Good video

good one. Let's hope swift can break those tackles so the LBers have to bite down and the crossing routes are open on playaction.

Prelude to what we should see on MNF

See, you dont know what BJ is thinking. No one here does. You could say something like "I dont see BJ doing ______" But as much as you want to keep every player, wht you dont understand is that when you trade players, you get NEW players and cap room. And you will love those players too. So would we just cut DJ Moore next year? of COURSE not for the reasons you said, but could we trade him? Sure!

Burden will eventual replace BJ but it wont be this year and if he plays well next year either. BJ isnt ready to dumb assets when he is trying to get this offense up and running. 2027 is a different story,. You acquire all these assets and then start dumbing them right away? Offensive coaches want weapons that's why we drafted Luther and Loveland.

ahahahahaha FU Packers!

if this was a current ranking, then youre 100% correct. I think instead this was ranking the odds that they will be MVP at the end of the year, so it's not based on what we have seen as much as what they think we might see this year?

OK so based on WAY too little information, Im gonna predict Bears 24 Vikings 19 or 20

totally agree, and LOL @ Burden approves

One thing to point out - but Mahomes burned the Bears multiple times over on plays where he ran around holding the ball forever and than making something special happen. Like Caleb - there will be moments for him to do that - but he also has to take the easy and let the game come with him, because when he does that - the defense won’t be able to cheat as much and a lot more big things will happen. Hopefully the Bears can develop an effective running game this year cause that would go a long ways - especially knowing how adept BJ is at calling and designing the play action passing game.

Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together.

That is kind of my point - don’t spend cap space and draft capital to acquire on non QBs…it doesn’t make sense and quite frankly when those non QBs come due - be very smart about when in their careers you extend vs parlay into trade that gives you more draft capital and keeps the time young and able to surround your qb (especially when they get paid) with as much talent as possible.

Luther Burden III approves this message. Time will tell but IMO the writing is on the wall for this future trade.