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This should clear it up for everyone..... http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/hog...gainst-vikings/ I think they don't teach it much because the players are usually told to stay away from the kick initially for fear a bad bounce causing a fumble type situation. That's some advanced special teams sh!t.

One counterpoint - I'm pretty sure when Angelo started, he wanted to fire Jauron after his first year. Then they up and went 13-3 and had Ed McCaskey saying on National TV that Jauron would be extended even before the regular season ended. Angelo didn't have the option to hire anyone until Lovie.

Not to nitpick, but he has a point. I couldn't make it through the whole thing. For me to read it, I would have had to copy and paste it into Word and make the breaks myself. If you want people to read your posts, you might just try putting in a few breaks to make it easier on the eyes.

I was referring to high echelon in terms of financial investment. Pace signed a 3 year $15 mil contract. Top end OT money back then was in $9 mil per year range. If he was still playing at top form, the Rams would never have let him go. 2009 was his 12th year in the league. Chester Taylor signed a 4 year $12.4 million contract - to be Forte's backup in his 8th year in the league. Hardly breaking the bank. Those are two of Angelo's "take a medium chance on an aging vet" pickups that saved us lots of cap space, but didn't help us any. I'm not saying there were significantly better options available even at a much higher price, but the conservative approach didn't get the job done even though we were in great cap shape. It's kind of one of those "so I've got that goin for me - which is nice." I'm not putting Shea in the same ballpark, but they're both pretty good athletes in general. I think Peppers would be pretty good no matter what he plays. But I think he would be better doing what he's refined for so many years. And Shea is still learning a new position as he used to be more of a stand up LB.

Those guys aren't upper echelon guys. Is it safe to call Peppers one of the best 4-3 DEs in the league? I think so. Sure you wish you could pay him less right now, but is it even possible to replace him? No problem on the explanation. I enjoy explaining it.

No doubt - but 1 mil more off what they would have had available anyway isn't going to affect their decision making.

It doesn't mean anything more than it did before the reworked his contract. They needed about $2 mil in cap space just for maneuvering during the season. Now that the season has begun, every single cap hit counts. That means that if a player gets injured and they need to replace him, they need cap space to pay both the guy on IR and the new guy. Does this mean anything about their future intentions toward Peppers? No. Absolutely not. It would only mean something if they had pushed more of this year's cap into the future. As it is now, it only increases his cap hit in each of the next 2 years by $1 mil each. Considering how many guys are going to need new contracts, $1 mil in cap space isn't going to keep even one guy that otherwise might be lost. As for Peppers' long term prospects with the Bears, I am quite sure that nothing is set in stone. I'm pretty sure that his play will be evaluated after the season and then a determination will be made. While his cap hits are higher than most players in the league, much of that is due to past contract re-negotiations to gain cap space. If a team starts doing re-negotiations like this and then releases the player the following year, the team is going to lose the good will of the players and they will decline to renegotiate when asked. IMO for Peppers to be released, his play has to fall off a cliff and /or be injured. His dead money next year if released (after this renegotiation) is $8.36 million. That's an awful big cap hit to cover for a guy not playing for you. One more aside - Cliff Stein is really good at his job, but the decision making resides with the GM. I think many don't want to give Angelo any credit for anything, but it was really his conservative approach that kept us so well off with the cap for so long. Angelo really didn't shop in the premium echelon during free agency other than Tait, Moose, and Peppers. He also only made it to the SB once. It's still too early to tell Emery's cap management style since he's still doing a roster make over. They could have easily gained the cap space they needed by releasing E. Bennett or Devin Hester, or extending the contracts of Tillman, or Jennings, or Marshall, or Cutler.

Trade straight up for Trent Richardson?

Here's what I did: I clicked the randomize order button, it randomized and set the order for us in advance. You can check the order here: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1...65/draftresults

Any thoughts on determining draft order in advance everyone?

Ok Folks. I've sent out a Commish note telling everyone to come here if they have any issue with changes to settings. What we have here so far is: 1. Draft time is cool - will not change. 2. I will change the draft time to 1:00 per pick. 1:30 just makes it more likely to miss a pick for me as I'm distracted easily by shiny things and the more time I have to find shiny things......... 3. We will drop a WR position in favor of an extra flex position of as many positions possible per Pix' request. 4. We will reduce waiver time to 1 day because the time between Monday and Thursday games doesn't leave time for scrambling if you don't get the guy you want. I've tried to be as inclusive in the decision making as possible. Please register any thoughts or inclinations now or they will be totally ignored. Nothing is final yet, but will be soon. Sooner if nobody bothers to respond. Thanx. Game on Bros!

So I can put you down for the 1 day waiver period?

I've gone ahead and set it to 1PPR. I also have it set for the Commish to review trades. I'm figuring I'll rubber stamp anything that seems reasonable, but bring it up to the group if anything seems weird. You can review all the settings and scoring here: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/189065/settings Let me know if anything looks like it needs to be changed. Some questions I have for everyone else on the settings: 1. Draft Time: Sat Aug 17 4:00pm CDT - Does this time work for most everyone? 2. Live Draft Pick Time: 1 Minute, 30 Seconds - Is 1:00 too short? Thoughts? 3. Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN Are these the Droids you're looking for? I can drop a WR and add a flex per Pix's request if no one objects. 4. Waiver Time: 2 days - With Monday and Thursday night games all year, this should be 1 day if not eliminated altogether. What say everyone?

The deadline for negotiating a deal with Melton was July 15th. That's a league rule so Melton can't be redone until after the season. With the lack of cap space, the only extensions that could really be done would be with players with a high salary this year that could be replaced with a larger signing bonus that could be prorated over future years. The only guys that fit that criteria are Cutler, Tillman, and Jennings. Now if they did any of them, they could free up space to do others, but they would have to be small deals. There is always the possibility that simple extensions with no up front money could be done, but the player then would have no reason to do it now because nothing would be guaranteed until next year, and management would probably have to give up more in the future to sign them now. There is really no incentive for either side to do anything now in that scenario. Really, I think that the Bears aren't in a hurry to spend any extra cash right now and that it has little to do with the cap.

That's totally feasible. I'm not really married to a whole lot. I think last year I just took the defaults and it all carried over to this year. I'm in the process of going over the settings and will start a thread with a number of things for people to vote on.

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I agree that he has to be able to play. However, it used to be an expectation that most WR take 3 years to really understand how to be an NFL receiver - and that's usually with 4 years of experience in college. I would expect that the route running and blocking assignments for a TE would be similar. Add to that just comprehending the scheme and the length of time to develop just makes sense to me. You are correct that he does have to be able to play the game, but the comments in the article acknowledge that he was previously still developing and indicate that there is belief that he may have turned a corner in that development. Anyone suggesting that he will put up ridiculous numbers or might be pro-bowl bound are delusional, but there is sufficient, yet tempered opinon that he could possibly exceed last year's performance by Kellen Davis (not much of an expectation really) IF he continues to improve. No point in putting him on the 53 man roster yet, but there is cause for cautious optimism.

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Not to get snarky or anything, but do you realize that he only played organized football in his 5th year of college? How quickly to you expect a guy with that little experience coming into the league to develop? He was on the Rams in 2010 and bounced around the league in 2011. I haven't been able to figure out what he did last year after he got cut by the Bills at the end of camp last year, but evidently he kept himself in good shape. Personally, it makes sense to me that he's just starting to "get it" now.

What does that mean? It looks like he's been a fringe roster player. His History: St. Louis Rams Onobun signed a four-year $1.92 million deal with a signing bonus of $129,000. Onobun, considered a risky pick, made the St. Louis Rams opening day roster in 2010. He was waived during final cuts on September 3, 2011. Seattle Seahawks On September 13, 2011, the Seattle Seahawks signed Onobun to their practice squad. Jacksonville Jaguars The Jacksonville Jaguars signed Onobun off of the Washington Redskins' practice squad on November 14, 2011. Buffalo Bills The Buffalo Bills signed Onobun on December 9, 2011. The signing comes after Onobun was waived by the Jacksonville Jaguars on December 6, 2011. Onobun was cut on August 26, 2012.

If you ignore the inflammatory headline you will see that he never said that he doesn't want them to win a SB, but that he would be pissed if they did. HUGE difference.

Go ahead and rejoin We have room for just 1 more now. Once one more joins we can discuss any rules / settings changes.

It was a 12 team league with only 10 teams. I'm hoping we can get 2 more to join before the season. There is also one team from last year that hasn't rejoined yet. I've been waiting a bit before asking for n00bs. Who's team was Da Boars last year?

Sure. PM me you email and I'll send you an invite.

Changed it to live draft. Will consider other changes after more input.