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very well said. I agree that Caleb has been progressing each half of football. We have a real QB, even if we don't have a functioning offense. It's not like with JF when people pointed to JFs disfunction and said that it wasnt his fault, in this case Caleb IS doing the things we wanted JF to do. We just arent able to sustain a drive or run the football, but play to play, Im glad youre seeing what Im seeing too - which is Caleb doing a lot of good things in the pocket. The goal if this season was to bring Caleb along to a good NFL QB. That is still happening despite all the chaos. The true window surely opens next year. We were all hoping it'd happen this year - maybe it will, but if it doesnt we are still on schedule. As for Poles, in my mind Ill give him one more year. He's addressed a number of position groups very well. It's obvious that the OL is lacking. He's made moves there, but hasn't spent a ton of draft capital there yet. He should get credit for taking Wright over Skoronski, and for finding Braxton Jones. I dont know how to judge him for Ryan Bates at center yet, but we will see that too in time. If Kiran Amagadjie plays his way into the lineup, then suddenly Poles is gonna be looking like he fixed half the line. Next year's picks will almost certainly go to the OL and D line, perhaps to build more depth at CB when contract times comes year after next. On the downside, I think keeping Eberflus was a mistake, keeping Morgan was weird, and Waldron doesn't seem to be the right choice either. If I could play this like Madden, Id keep the defensive staff intact, get a new head coach and let him do what he wants to do about the offense. Poles has made many missteps, but he's also managed to build a pretty solid roster at the same time. No poker player wins ever hand, but the good ones keep showing up at the final table. How Poles handles this next offseason is going to set my opinion of him. It should be said that the reason Poles is in hot water is precisely because he has done such a good job of building the roster that now our expectations are higher. Let's see who is starting on the OL in 4 weeks.

Im not happy with the OL either, and when the roster is looking this full, the weaknesses are glaring. I think he deserves next offseason to put it all together. Said another way, when was the last time you could point to one position group as the problem? usually it was a lot more than that. Poles has been disciplined, and didnt overpay for players or reach for players and get 4 year deals with older players to win now. Hes got a long term plan, and it's going pretty well. That said, keeping Eberflus wasnt the best move. Keeping Morgan is a disaster. Shane Waldron has been awful. And a handful of players have been misses too. Mostly free agents. Recent draft picks seem to be OK. Poles said he wasnt through with the rebuild. I assume he is talking about the OL and depth. The goal for this season is for Caleb to learn to be an NFL QB. He is going to need more protection for that this year, and moves are coming, like Pryor, Bates and maybe even Kiran Amagonnalearnyourelastnamewhenyoublocksomeone. We will tinker with RBs too. But next year is the actual beginning of dominance, and with the right additions on OL I can see it. But this is the year we learn how, even if we are inconsistent. Obviously it has to get better than it has been or it will all implode. But I think we can learn our lessons this year, and make some progress. But yeah we need a bunch of bodies on the OL. I sure hope Ian Cunningham isnt the reason for all the good stuff.

I dont think Flus would know hwat to do if he was OC. I really dont. And that is not Ok for a HC.

I said something pretty close too. I have to admit Ive liked a lot of what our front office has done. But theyve made some big mistakes too. I think I give Poles next years offseason to sort out the OL, and I wouldny mind if it was a whole new offensive set of coaches and head coach. I would keep the defensive coaches, with the blessing of the new HC of course. If he has something else in mind, he IS the HC, and we dont need to Bear him with an arranged marriage

Yeah, Im overreacting, thats why I called it a hot take. It seemed funny to me. But if we could trade Swift for a good OL Id do it in a heartbeat. Call me a Roschon Johnson fan. Ive liked him since training camp last year. I thought he'd be the starter for sure. But yes, if our OL opened holes for Swift, Im sure id like him better. Once he gets to the second level Swift is pretty dangerous, but until we open holes, Johnson is the better pounder at the first level, and if you can bull/fall forward for 4 yards a carry, thats all we really need.

Swift's running style is based on speed. He needs holes to get through, but he has quick change of direction. So here's a hot take: Velus Jones Jr gives you (only) that at RB too. They are both possible home run hitters, and neither is a grinder or a guy to in tough yards up the middle. Does anyone want to trade a Center for Swift?

this is how I see it too - well said.

I think there is an upside to team chemistry, but i also think Poles places too much value on nice guys, especially on the OL. I think Poles personal relationships with the players is clouding his judgement? This is what i was trying to say about the hugging Justin. I am VERY glad it didnt stop him from trading Justin, but i still think he needs to be more of an authority figure and less one of the guys. I also worry that Ian Cunningham is the brains. Im not ready to turn on poles yet, I think he's done a lot of very good things for us. But he is not infallible by any means.

I also think that when Caleb gets a little more cred (which could be very soon) he will start telling Waldron which plays he likes and which ones he doesnt. That may be the "outside voice" we need And if you doubt that Caleb would have that kind of power, consider that although it should never come to this, if Caleb and Waldron cant get along, it will be Waldron who gets fired.

and with all that production, the coaches were only able to cobble 16 points out of it.

I like the way youre thinking.

The Rams have a coach.

I have liked him best since his rookie year.

Im no JF fan, and I'm still all in for Caleb, but part of why we ran well last year was that the defense had to respect the edges with Justin. Waldron brings his WRs in close to the formation to run, so theres more defenders closer to the ball. DUMB.

Im disgusted. have a good rest of the day guys.

"Matt Eberflus calls his final timeout" Wouldnt THAT be great?

thats a "Hail Murphy" lol

no this is not what a modern passing game looks like - this is what bad offensive gameplanning looks like I also agree with you that we need to run the ball. modern passing offenses run the ball too!

well Ill bet we wish we had 3 timeouts now. hmmm whered they go Eberflus?!

well their secondary is depleted, so we should be able to do SOMETHING

when that much production only leads to 9 points, thats bad coaching.

Odunze is growing up this game. He still has a way to go, but it seems like his light is coming on.

^5

Im telling you, Ive seen similar schematic errors every week when I looked at the film. Its hard to win in the NFL, but impossible when you have to climb uphill.

just play regular football? Its just another of a long line of smartest guys in the room for us.