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First off, the coaches HAVE to be gone. Anyone saying Flus is a good DC must be watching a different game than I did. Flus took a 98.4% chance to win and blew it in the most fearful and predictable way. Everyone knew it would be cover 2 on 1st and 2nd down. Everyone. I knew it a month ago. We all did. And then the Lions said "thank you for being predictable, we have plays to beat that" and we just watched it happen. Hell imagine if the vaunted cover 2 had given up 4 more yards against the Panthers before Pinero missed that 50+ yard field goal. No one can say at the beginning of the drive "my zone reliably gives up 60 yards but NOT 65" - it's idiocy. Also, Montez Sweat was on the sideline at the end of the game, because Eberflus believes in the rotation. Seriously. Sweat only played 65% of the snaps, meanwhile Aiden Hutchinson played 97% of his teams snaps. Are you mad yet? Do you think this clown is a qualified NFL ANYTHING? Assuming we have a new head coach next year, he will have input in keeping Fields or not. So will the scouting department's assessment of the QB options available. But you nailed it on the head, Adam - Fieldsball means a lot of QB runs. It means a lot of magical sidearm throws on the run. Neither of those things is sustainable. Run the ball 10 times a game all season, and you'll get your QB hurt. And if you need to have everything be chaotic before you can make a play that isnt sustainable either. I mean - who has Fields beaten? How common is it for Fields to win? When it's working Fields looks like a superhero overcoming incredible odds to make sportscenter highlight plays. But that cant be your regular plan. Because some games, you get sacked 8 times. It never looks like a calm QB who has the offense under control. Fields is an incredible athlete, but he is more of a point guard than a QB. You cant be a team who's core competency is wildcat and win regularly in the NFL. Fields' record is 6-26 (19%). He is 1-5 (17%) this year (not counting the loss to the Vikings). Bagent is 2-2 (also not counting the Vikings). And Bagent is a rookie future backup. I don't understand the optimism around Fields or Flus. Neither one of those guys is going to win a super bowl as a starter/head coach. Honestly, the only guy I think will reinvent himself into a winner in the future is Getsy. He's been terrible here. I dont know how much of that is Flus' direction. He makes a lot of bad choices, but i do also see what he is trying to do sometimes, and it seems like he has a brain in there, he just needs to gain more experience. It wouldnt shock me to see him great in 5 years. But it wont be here.

as long as they fire them in the offseason, so be it. But it sure is painful to watch.

he seems friendly, and un-threatening. He also seems like the kind of guy that would go along with political correctness, which I think is mutually exclusive with being a hard headed winner. I think this is just STILL the impact of the McCaskeys killing this team. HR probably LOVES the guy. How many super bowls has the HR department won?

Yes. He is a fraud. So were Nagy and Trestman. They're good talkers. Theyre SAFE from the point of view of Halas Hall. Win the HR trophy, lose on the field.

Matt Nagy?!

Ha Grizz! I have no answer for that question. I can tell you that at least one of the top four QBs (Williams, Maye, McCarthy, Penix etc) is going to be at least pretty good in the NFL. I don't know which one(s) it's going to be. Poles has a whole staff of scouts and such to give their opinions. And the pros often get it wrong too. I think you do all the research you can, and then rank them. If you have more than one tied or close to tied at the top, you trade down but only far enough to get to the last guy in your first group. If you have one as a cant miss, you can do what it takes - but that guy has to be grading out way over the others. Because at the end of this, you're taking a chance with a guy to develop. Their outcome isnt set in stone, a lot of it has to do with how you teach them, and who you put around them. And no one has a crystal ball. Im sure by draft time Ill have more opinions about this, but right now I havent seen enough to put a marker on any guy. What I can say is once I've seen a guy not be able to do it over a large enough sample size, then I know that pushing the "next" button is really the only choice you can make. You know about the guy youre moving on from - you have first hand in the building several years of working with someone, so as a GM you have your opinion, but you cant know much about the "next" guys. Those are lottery tickets, and sometimes they are even worse than what you had. But you have to keep "next"-ing until you find one that blossoms in your system.

It is possible that Poles has already determined that Flus is gone, but just doesn't see any benefit of bringing someone else in as a caretaker since there is no DC and the OC is worse than the HC. So while it is bad enough to have reached the decision point to fire him, it might make sense to wait for the end of the season to do it?

Im just saying, today, it wasnt so much Justin's fault. It was the coaching. He did a few of the things Ive been waiting to see, so I have to be fair and give him his due. But yeah, I dont want him going forward. I hope we can get some kind of trade value for him.

Fields definitely increased his trade value today.

Where is Yoko Ono when you need her?

its like you bought really high end groceries and Eberflus turned it into slop. He couldnt take those assets and put them together into a win. He will never be good.

we'd better have a 100% chance of a new coaching staff next year.

yup. Carolina lost, Giants winning. too bad arizona lost.

exactly. this isnt just a few bad decisions, this is sustained malpractice.

Fields fumbles.

not saying to do it today, but as long as he doesnt come back next year.

so can we fire Flus like you promised?

agree to disagree. been watching football a long time, seen cover 2 beaten in that exact spot hundreds of times.

I agree 100%

well, maybe if the safety is super fast, but that deep corner is the void in the cover 2 - its where you traditionally attack it, along with the deep middle seam. Weve all seen the cover 2 beaten in that corner many many times with all kinds of teams. It is the weakness of the cover 2.

3 and out. 2 herberts up the middle and a long prayer to scott. coaching? Where are the simple 8 yard combo routes? like regular high percentage football?

sooooo conservative now on both sides of the ball. grrr

they were playing cover 2 correctly. deep corner and deep middle seam are cover 2 beating routes.

TD in the deep corner void of the cover 2 - thanks Flus!