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I totally agree with you about Sanders. I don't want him as a first round pick at all. I havent seen much of Penix myself, but I have a friend who says he is the best QB in the draft. I'd have to see it for myself to make a judgement. My friend could be wrong. He knows football and has watched a lot of it, but I dont take any of it on faith of course. I worry about Williams too. In fact I dunno if any of them are sure fire winners. Athleticism is fine, but I want to see Bagent like production from a first round pick. I wanna see fast reads and throws with anticipation, and instead I see a lot of college superstars who look like Justin Fields. Now to be sure, college is a different game, and some of these QBs will mature into the NFL and become greats. I just dont know how the hell to guess which ones unless I see evidence of it in college, and you almost never do. I get why this is hard for NFL GMs.

I think I like this latest one best. I mean getting Williams at 13 or whatever is cool, but will never happen. Also, I just want to say youre a draft animal, and keep the opinions coming. All you need now is a helmet haircut and you can beat Mel Kiper at his own game! I'll be listening to what you say about 3rd rounders etc more closely because of all the time youve put in. Thanks!

I agree. With cap inflation, it might be 16 or 17, but highest paid? no thanks.

I think you're right. Yuck.

Yeah, I dont even know what i think about him. Part of me loves him, part of me thinks he would eventually blow everything up.

Harbaugh is a psycho. He is waaay overly competitive. He wants to win more than anyone on this planet. That's a good and bad thing. I can see arguments for having him here, and arguments for avoiding him too. Surely there must be a tough SOB who will push this team to be a winner without being a total psycho? i dont know enough about the other candidates to know who that might be tho. But I will also say that the Bears seem to be a PC HR driven corporate culture, and I wonder if any true personality who is a winner could succeed here?

I hate the HR-ification of football.

I love having Billings around - as a starter and eventually in the rotation. Also 2 years seems about right. Good deal for the Bears.

Amen. If your stats suck, if you run a 6 second 40, then youre not gonna make it in the NFL, but stats dont equal players. Football players are good at playing football, and sometimes their numbers are less than someone with super fast speed who doesnt have football talent. Velus Jones is fast, DJ Moore is a football player.

and Getsy LOL but point well taken, Bagent does seem like the kind of guy who is going to grow week to week in vision.

I was, and if Walker/Dexter works as a rotation at 3T, then you dont have to worry about resigning him, or anyone else, and that is another hidden benefit of the 2nd rounder we spent is all I was saying.

yeah, he needs to pass his physical first. I would expect the contract soon after.

a strongly substantiated rumor says that the NFL will punish Harbaugh with a suspension for his behavior at Michigan. If so, why not serve that suspension at the end of this season and start fresh next? That's a scenario if they bring him in here.

the value of the picks it takes to make the trade are affected by the deal the player is demanding. If Sweat is signing a decent deal thats team freindly he is worth a higher draft pick than a player who is demanding a huge bank breaking deal. If you want to figure the relative value paid for these players, youve got to wait until you know the deals they signed too?

Agree on Jaylon, but theres no way the Bears made this trade without a deal in place already with Sweat. it will be announced hours after he passes his physical. And I think the value of Sweat's deal vs what Young gets in SF will explain the disparity in picks traded, and why we made the choice we did.

I agree that the main value on the table here for the Bears wasn't the draft capital, it was the player youre getting and the money youre paying them for the next 4 or 5 years. If Young wants a sky high deal, and that decreased his value and that's why he only got a 3rd in trade that makes sense. It also makes sense then that we would want Sweat on more reasonable terms. Plus he isnt always injured. And as you say, theres the selfishness and what that might do to your locker room. Another hidden value in this trade is it frees up Demarcus Walker to go inside to join the rotation at 3T, and that lets you cut loose Jones at the end of the year. This may be a partial answer as to why we kept Walker over Gipson - anticipating adding another DE at some point and rather than losing any value for Gipson at that point, instead you pick up 3T value with walker. If, for example, Walker and Dexter make enough of a rotation that you dont need to spend any draft pick at 3T in 2024, that's more value from that second round pick you traded for Sweat. I also agree that allowing Poles to trade 2024 draft picks at this point is a strong indicator that Poles is not about to get fired. Of course that may change as new coaches may have their own demands, but I think youre right its a signal that Poles isnt already gone in Warren's mind. Last, I'll say this. I think we agree when a coach or GM is terrible, you fire them. And we agree that when they are great you keep them. But I think we may disagree on mediocrity or base competence. If someone is doing a decent but not spectacular job, that's a good reason to keep them in most businesses. But in a zero sum game like the NFL, where only one coach or GM wins the super bowl and 31 others dont, you dont just want good - you want great. So the idea of giving someone more chances and time etc, is the sort of thing I love to see in my personal life, and even in many jobs - in the NFL if youre Poles and even doing a GOOD job, but someone incredible wants your job, theyre gonna take it from you. And thats as it should be. So I'm less interested in fairness arguments, and more interested in "Poles is kicking ass" type arguments in his favor. I do think Poles is doing well. I would keep him based on hows hes been doing. But if a 55 year old Bill Belichick wanted to come here, and he wanted to be the GM too, or bring his own guy or whatever, I wouldnt let personal loyalty or fairness to Poles come into the decision.

Im not sure we should pay JJ the blockbuster deal. At the right price he's worth it, but not at ANY price, as the market just told JJ directly. If we can franchise him, while we have a couple years to replace him, thats the path to be a renewable good team. It will mean we move on from good players a year early, but it's how to build a sustainable winner.

Keep in mind that Jaylon isnt gone either. He wants more money than we want to pay him, so we told him to go test the market. If there is no onw willing to pay him that much, then we might sign him to a more cap friendly deal, or franchise him.

I agree entirely.

Id rather spend the money on a Pass Rusher than a Corner who isn't an absolute ball hawk. A good pass rush makes your secondary look much better - whoever they are. But as we have seen, a soild secondary gets lit up if you have no pass rush.

or he will find out no one else will trade for him at the number he wants, and agree to our lesser deal when you dont offer a guy a top 5 $ deal, and they think theyre worth it, sometimes you tell them to go find a trade (and of course a deal they like) and when they cant, sometimes they come back, and sometimes they go to detroit and run well LOL

hes good but he isnt THAT good. someone will pay him top dollar. weve got young guys, and will find more. especially with extra picks. I wonder what hes worth?

I think this is right where his ceiling is right now. I have read that it is possible to increase arm strength, but I have no info about that or how likely it is.

for sure. i want the #1 pick, but I dont know which QB Id take. its not sexy, but if we believe we need the #1 pick for a QB, the #3 and the #6 would do it for example. Of course id way rather have the #1 pick naturally, and not have to use the other one too - but the reason we have them both was insurance against Fields not convincingly taking the job this year, and to be able to package them to get the next QB... I wonder if we might not be just as happy taking a JJ McCarthy at #11 or something after a trade down.

we definitely need Edge, that's 100%. Center is also something you can address very well in the late 2nd or early 3rd round. we do need a dominant 3T, but we spent two high picks at DT already, and Im not even sure were gonna be a "cover 2" team next year. but we also need another stud WR, G and safety too. Oh, and a QB! LOL that's job #1. we have some good draft capital and lots of cap room to get this all done. But to the original point that Poles will draft his long term impact players I tend to agree, and two high first rounders will bring two studs. We may also trade down, but it'd be hard to look away from Marvin Harrison Jr and a dominant Edge rusher too. Oh, and a QB