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yup - no one is better on broken plays than Fields. nice TD to Kmet.

come on Kmet, youre not even the point of attack on that one.

thank God the choice isnt Fields or Flacco LOL And if it was, Id take Fields all day.

I agree. If we have a top 10 pick, Ive been saying trade down the #1 and pick your QB with the second top 10 pick is a possible scenario. So youre saying take the rookie this year, and have him sit behind Fields for 2 guaranteed years. I think it causes friction, but that IS a viable scenario, as long as you get a first round QB this year. One issue though is that if Fields is the man after that, you still have to overpay to keep him after 2024 then because hes still a free agent and you didnt believe in him and extend him. And if you did extend him, then hes still a free agent after 2025. You can do that, for sure.

Gabriel is wrong. "the 2020 collective bargaining agreement allows for teams to exercise a fifth-year option for players drafted in the first round as an addition to the standard four-year rookie contract. Upon being exercised, the fifth-year option is fully guaranteed, and any base salary in the player's fourth year that was not fully guaranteed will become so." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36402907/fifth-year-option-tracker-nfl-players-2020-first-round

Fields almost threw another pick there.

yeah but 36 fumbles in his career - pretty much one a game. I assume youre not saying that Fields knowingly fumbles in ways that are recovered by our team? isnt it just luck that more havent been turnovers? And I dont want Flacco either!

lol

Fields fumbles again. Luckily we recovered.

can you cite an example where its worked before? They instituted this 5th year option thing as a standard part of the rookie contract specifically to counteract this move.

so youre saying draft a QB with a top pick this year to sit behind Fields for two years? Or are you saying draft a QB in the future - and if so, unless you have a top pick, youre either trading three years worth of #1 picks to move up for that rookie, or youre talking about taking a rookie later in that draft?

great throw and catch by Fields and Moore.

OMG Tonyan how do you drop that? It was a perfect soft throw.

On that 3rd down where Fields threw short to Kmet and we didnt convert, Moore was wide open 20 yards(ish) downfield.

Also, when Fields threw the ball short to Kmet on 3rd down and we didnt convert, Moore was wide open downfield...

Using a franchise tag on a QB you refused to extend is a guaranteed hold out. You end up having to trade Fields after the draft for less than you would have gotten otherwise, and you have no QB that year. The lawyers already thought of ALL of this when they put in the May deadline for the 5th year option. This is what it was designed for - to force a decision. You cant tap dance around it. There is no loophole. The Chargers tried this with Drew Brees for example...

GREAT penetration on 3rd down vs the Browns run!

If we have shown that we don't have his back and didnt already believe in him, then we would just be one team trying to bid for him, and to sign him then, youd need to pay even more to win the bidding and that means even worse cap hell? Functionally, this long term decision needs to be made by May of this year. It is true that you can decide "yes" on Fields, and then go back on it after 2025, but then youve wasted this draft position to get a QB and two years of the contracts of the rest of the team thats coming together now. To be clear, Im not saying you cant choose to roll with Fields. You can. I just dont see a real scenario where you can wait and see and delay the choice. Right now we control the decision to keep him, or to move on from him. Waiting for 2025 puts all the cards out of our hands, and into Justin's.

the Bears cant trade him if they dont own his rights going forward. If you mean trade him before thre 2025 season, then yes they could, but the $25 Million is guaranteed, so the money stays on our cap even if we trade him.

GREAT play by Brisker! Take away the screen and then close on the QB.

Ok, defense, lets show something

no I didnt. I said the IDEA didnt make sense. Youre this really weird combination of bully wanna be and victim. If youre gonna cry every time someone disagrees with you when you say something that doesnt make coherent sense, then as Ive asked, JUST STOP RESPONDING TO ME IF YOU CANT HANDLE IT.

and here we go again you assh*le. Youre all butthurt because you literally dont UNDERSTAND what Im saying. you dont know how to read. you really dont. or youre doing it on purpose. You CAN say you believe in Fields and want to keep him ***OR*** you can say that you want to move on from him, Those are BOTH opinions and you are WELCOME to either of them. You can disagree with me all day long. FINE. What you cant say is "teams find a way to figure out the cap" without saying what that would be. That's just magical thinking. you cant have your cake and eat it too. You cant say you want to wait and see on Fields, NOT pay him, but then keep him like you DID pay him. That's not an opinion. It's just nonsense.

Im not saying its because it will cost you $25M, Im saying it's because it costs you $25M and then you have nothing after that year. JF will not stay in Chicago if we havent extended him with a $40M+ contract before that year. If he doesnt hold out, then he plays that year for $25M and then is a free agent and leaves because we didnt have his back.

no but then youve wasted this opportunity to have the #1 pick. If you "wait and see" and draft a QB in 2025 while paying Fields $25 Mil, then you have to package multiple years' first round picks to move up, and you pay Fields $25 Mil and then he LEAVES, no matter how good he is because you didnt extend him. That's why you need to decide now. $25 isnt a cap killer, its just a waste of a two years for no reason and then then lets say you like him after 2025, well its TOO LATE to keep him because hes a free agent. I laid all these scenarios out in the previous posts. I dont think you actually read them, or if you do you dont understand them, because you dont mention them at all when you rebut? Poles really cant punt this decision, he has to make it one way or the other. You are entitled to your opinion on which way he should go, but you cant pretend that he doesnt need to make a decision.