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How many of the snaps are the result of switching QBs back and forth with the #1 offense? Then we switch centers when Kreutz got back on the field. The QB battle is good but I think Lovie should make his decision before the third preseason game so everyone can settle down and know what to expect including the WRs, TE, RB who are also unsure who the starters are.

I'm going to stay the odd man out. Accuracy alone isn't worth much if you throw to a guy who is well covered. Rex has thrown many passes right at WR in stride only to see a defender jump the route and INT the pass. Was he inaccurate or was it a bad decision? Much of what is being said about accuracy (reading the safety etc.) really isn't "accuracy" it's reading the field and knowing where to throw the ball or rather who to throw the ball to. Obviously if the QB can't throw reasonably accurately nothing else matters anyway. Right now with this damaged goods Oline I think we need a QB who can make a good decision quickly because there won't be much time to read defenses after the snap. I probably lean more towards Rex but IMO this need means Orton has the advantage over Rex. Conversely it's Rex's accuracy that makes him shine so well in training camp.

If Rex's downfall has been poor performance under pressure why not start him at home?

Seeing Lloyd listed alongside Booker as potential starter pretty much indicates Hass is on his way out.

I watched Rogers play in their little family practice and it's obvious why they now want Favre back. I find it to be good news because Favre's favorite Bears' receiver is doing well in camp...Urlacher. I see a couple more picks coming our way.

If we have zero depth on the Oline why keep one of those "zero" guys? Better to keep a RB who is quick enough to avoid the unblocked defender.

I would like to pick accuracy as the key but I think it's going to come down to decision making. Be accurate all you want but if you are throwing to guy who is double covered it may not matter. While our skill position players are largely unproven I feel we do have plenty of athletic ability among them. Given our QB situation I think the best man will be the guy who makes the "easy" play and let's the skill players do their thing. We don't need to be aggressive throwing into coverage with our defense and special teams.

I agree that it appears Forte can be a 3-down RB. Kevin Jones might be too but nobody has seen this guy run and given his injury history it's still a big question mark. I think signing KJ was the right thing to do but he probably won't even see the field until after the first 4 games, or longer. Seeing how quickly some guys like Dusty and Rex got thrown under the bus when injured it's odd so many would have such high hopes for Jones. IF both guys work out to what we believe is their full potential then there's less of a need for a guy like Wolfe. Nonetheless, I still like having a guy with his skills on the team and we have the added benefit of making AP a special teams player first but still there as a backup RB if the need arises.

Flea beat me to it but I too am a big fan of Peanut. This is a guy who has been treated very poorly by fans in years past but he just keeps on working hard and has made a lot of big plays for us. He's tough against the run and pretty good in coverage. Last year at Green Bay he single handedly kept us in that game forcing two fumbles. Plus he's a good gunner on punt coverage. He's not an elite cover corner rather just a lunch pail type of guy who you like having on your team.

Who is saying Wolfe is a great RB? The only points I see here are 1) that he shouldn't be on the team and 2) the other side, of which I am part of, saying he has the ability to contribute to the offense in certain situations mainly 3rd and long.

Of course that was tongue in cheek. I was slamming Moose throughout the second half of last year and felt he should have been benched. After the Panthers signed him in the offseason I read some article stating what a great pickup he was and how he was a really good WR. His problem in Chicago was that we didn't know how to properly utilize a receiver with his talent. Apparently the Panthers know what to do with a WR who drops easy passes, can't run fast, and can't come out of his cuts fast. I look forward to playing against him.

I thought Quinn was drafted 22 or something like that? Why is his draft value going up while he sits on an NFL bench? I think he could be had for at worst a late 1st Rd pick but I'd be willing to be they'd clear his cap hit for a mid-2nd Rd pick plus a late pick on day 2.

Now that's a bunny!

Quickness is evaluated at the scouting combine in a couple drills and below you will see that Garrett Wolfe was at the head of his draft class. http://www.emqb.com/nfl-scouting-combine-day-four/ "Anyway, here are the best results from Sunday’s workouts: Running Backs: 20 Shuttle (Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois, 4.08); 60 Shuttle (Kenny Irons, Auburn, 11.47); Three Cone (Garrett Wolfe, 6.69); Vert Jump (Darius Walker, Notre Dame, 40.5); Broad Jump (Chris Henry, Arizona and Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma, 10′7″); 40-yard Dash (Chris Henry, Adrian Peterson and Antonio Pittman, Ohio State, 4.40)" From NFL Draft Scout.com they posted Wolfe's 40 time as being 4.39 I have no clue where to find those results for Jones, AP, and Forte except I found one source stating that Jones ran a 4.33 forty. From memory AP ran a 4.6 forty and Forte ran a 4.44 and I don't see either of them being as quick in the shuttle and 3 cone runs as Wolfe. Wolfe is fast but he really doesn't have what I call long-speed. His good forty time is a result of his quickness at getting up to full speed. He will get run down from behind by a lot of players whereas a guy like Kevin Jones might take a bit longer to get up to speed but he's less likely to get caught from behind. As a side note: San Diego plans to use Sproles a lot more this year as a RB. Not to imply he'll be a primary back just that with Turner out of the equation expect to see more of Sproles spelling LT.

I don't think they are worried at all because they have Moose fill in as the #1 WR. I don't foresee any dropoff at all when we play them.

If this team gets lucky and one of the QBs on our roster turns out to be a good NFL QB (not even great just good) then this team is setup to do some damage for the next few years.

This is good as long as this new style of kicking does not affect his accuracy on FG.

First, AP's blocking is overrated. He wiffed on a lot of blocks last year. Wolfe might not have the size you want but he has the strength needed to block. I thought he did ok blocking last year but he needs to improve. He will be our 3rd and long threat. In the open field he can do stuff no other RB on the roster can do I just hope that Turner doesn't use him up the middle against Minn on 1st and 10. I agree that as Kevin Jones gets healthy AP will move exclusively into the special teams role.

It's hard to tell from training camp videos but lately Orton seems to be throwing with more authority. I don't care who wins as long as it's the best QB. I don't get all the love for Orton in past years. He was not that good in his first season but he kept us from turnovers and so the D won games. Then after that season he didn't work hard in the offseason because Rex was named the starter and he felt sorry for himself. He wasn't ready that year and he admitted that publicly. Last year he appeared to be more prepared and improved his mechanics and strength but coming off the Superbowl the team was more comfortable keeping the battle between Rex and to a lesser extent Griese. Kyle did show enough last year to warrant a contract extension and a full opportunity to compete for the starting job this year. Everyone says it takes QBs a few years to develop and in Kyle's case that's where we are. If he's better than Grossman today I don't think that automatically means he was better than him two years ago.

Looking for any feedback on the practice tonight. Media reports say Orton played well but there's little beyond that.

We're going way off base here but since you brought up physics...there's a difference between power and momentum. The example you used was momentum. I can also get a 300lb lineman to run into the hole and you might think he has power but it might just be his momentum that carries him forward through a LB. Think Fridge running over a LB. In physics, power (symbol: P) is the rate at which work is performed or energy is transmitted, or the amount of energy required or expended for a given unit of time. As a rate of change of work done or the energy of a subsystem, power is: where P is power, W is work and t is time. To put it in a more logical way as to how we think about football Power = Force x Velocity. Think of the blocking sleds used to train lineman. We know it takes a certain amount of force to move the sled but the more powerful player will move the sled faster. Keep in mind this is moving it in a consistent way not just running into it and seeing how far it moved. A powerful RB moves the pile backwards which is why I said I'll believe Forte is powerful when I see a LBs moving backwards, not just falling backwards because someone knocked them over with their momentum. By the way, Momemtum = Mass x Velocity Devin Hester running twice as fast as lineman who is twice his size (mass) has the same momentum. If they both ran into the same player you'd see the same effect on that guy. Going back to your example, if that little S-10 was setup with the 500 hp engine from a ZR-1 Corvette it would be more powerful than an Ford Super Duty which has a a maximum of 350hp. Both will kill me at 55mph but the Super Duty has more momentum and would throw my body about twice as far down the road. We're not delving into a discussion on torque. Nowhere in here does burst equate to power because a smaller lighter vehicle will accelerate more quickly (burst) with a less powerful engine. Thus a Lotus Elise (the Devin Hester of the sports car world) with it's tiny 4 cyl 190hp engine will easily outrun the 350hp Super Duty.

I do. I see Brady Quinn in the picture next year although he won't be a FA.

Hester has a ton of burst but I wouldn't say he has a lot of power. When I see LBs moving backwards then I'll agree.

I didn't make any leap of faith, I said let him compete. If Hanie is showing any competence at all I think Simms (if brought in) should have to compete to earn the roster spot. If Simms is as good as you say why be so worried about him competing with UDFA Hanie?

I wouldn't say we have depth, we simply have equivalent talent all the way around. Nobody stands out at all and that is obvious because there is not a single person on the planet who knows who our starting WRs are, not even the coaches. At the same time I don't think the talent is bottom of the barrel either. Offensive starting jobs up for grabs: QB, WR, WR, WR, LT, LG, RB, and although it's much less of a concern I'll add TE to that mix because we don't really know if it's Olsen or Clark. That's 8/11 spots with uncertainty. IMO with this much turnover the coaches must make some decisions as early as possible so players can start to develop some continuity. If the QB job is going to wait until game 3 then the WR should be settled much sooner than that so both QBs know who they are working with.