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I like it. You have guys that I really like. Mitchell, McBath, Harris, Walters. For the first pick I would be good with Iggy, Mass. and I am intrigued by Mike Wallace. I also think they might not pick an Olineman because of the numbers on the roster. I think they will keep a special teams guy rather than a lineman. So maybe replace that pick with another WR like Knox or Tate. I would be happy with it though.

[i would not be opposed to this guy. They might have to take him here because he might not be there with the 3rd rounder. I do question the intelligence of the guy giving draft intel out. It might rub teams the wrong way.

I think we are kind of saying the same thing here. Drops are alright(somewhat) if you can make the big play. I dont think the # of the receiver has as much to do with it than you do. I think the thing with Mass. is that he is big, runs a good 40 time for his size, is a physical blocker, is a leader in the locker room, and has improved himself every year. Drops are an issue, but less and less as he has gotten older. I think he has a chance to provide some big plays like a Bolden. Not really burning anyone on a go pattern like Hester, but something like coming on a crossing route and then turning it upfield and maybe chucking a tackler. And at our position I dont see guys that are very much better. Sure, guys on this board have their favorites, but if you are trying to say that Barden is tons better than Mass., I just dont buy it. I think we take two WR anyway. Maybe a Mass. or Iglesias with the 2nd rounder and a Knox, Tate, or Ogletree later. There have been interesting news articles on Rideau too. Hopefully he can step up. Cause he is that bigger "hands" type too.

You might be right about Iglesias, I like him. I really dont understand what there is to dislike about Mass other than the hands. I think Barden is as good or worse. Like I said in another post, this draft is a crapshoot more than any other I can remember.

Moose was always open, but how many clutch passes did he drop? Drops destroy an offense's rhythm; they keep a quarterback from being able to check down quickly and instinctively, like he can when he knows he has a safety valve. Look at Detroit's passing game when they had Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams. Johnson was the deep threat, and Williams was supposed to be the #2, the target on underneath/crossing routes. You would have expected them to be ridiculous, and they were when Williams was on his game. But just as often, they would implode. Why? Because if you're the #2 and the QB checks it down to you, he has to be confident that you're going to secure the catch. If he's not confident of that, then he's going to go further through his progression; the longer he waits, the more likely he gets sacked. Williams always dropped too many passes to be a reliable checkdown target, and when he started dropping passes, their passing game got completely disrupted. Dont get me wrong, I hate dropped balls too. But to say that they cripple an offense is a bit much. If drops crippled offenses so bad, why do teams want Boldin, Edwards, TO, Berrian, etc. Why did the Cowboys give up three picks for Roy Williams? If a guy is a playmaker, you can live with the drops. So if the only knock on Mass. is the drops, and he can potentially give you Boldin or TO production, do you pass on that? Again, at our pick, you are not going to get a 5 star, "blue" prospect, anyone that is there is going to have some flag to them. Its what you are willing to live with. Also, I know that deep threats can get the underneath receiver open, but the reverse can be true as well. Look at what Wes Welker does for New England's offense. He's just an underneath guy, he doesn't stretch the field, but he caught 75% of the passes thrown to him last season. He's Tom Brady's checkdown target, which helps the offense stay in rhythm, and offenses can't focus overmuch on Randy Moss, because Welker will kill them over the middle. The Bears have a less-than-reliable deep threat to stretch the defense out. We need a guy to make those clutch catches underneath. Yeah, but what did Welker do before NE? The NE system makes alot of receivers look good. Mike Furrey is the same type of receiver but nobody is beating down his door. Mike Hass could catch everything and what happened to him? I disagree here. There was an anonymous quote on PFW a while back from a defensive coordinator who played the Bears in 2008. He said the only player they were scared of, the only guy they gameplanned for, was Matt Forte. People didn't start double-covering Hester until the very end of the season (I think the Saints game was the first time I ever saw two guys on him.) Well scared of and respecting are two different things to me. Not respecting someone to me is barely covering them, leaving them open, etc. And that quote is crap to me, it totally depends on the defense. So if it isthe Vikings then I get it. If its the Lions DC, how did that work out for ya?

Well two years ago we had Berrian and Hester that people had to respect. Moose was always open. Last year teams had to respect Hester, Olsen, and Lloyd before he got hurt. The biggest problem with the Bears old receivers was the Oline. Rushed throws are not easy to catch and a defense does not have to respect any deep threat if they can put the quarterback down.

I disagree that they are a killer. Some of the best WR in the league have the drops. TO, chad Johnson, Boldin, Braylon Edwards, all are terrible at drops. I think you can drop some balls if you can make plays elsewhere. At where we are picking its going to get a perfect receiver. There is going to be some downside to anyone we pick there and we should only hope that pick is as good as DeSean Jackson. I think your expectations are a bit high. What receiver can we take there that teams will have to double team? There will be some smaller guys available, Tate, Derrick Williams, but it seems that JA will go with the bigger guys. Mass, etc. This draft is a weird one. I think outside the top ten picks its really a crapshoot. There is just not alot of high end talent. So if JA goes with some character, leader, work ethic guys, I'll be good with it.

Agreed. By listening to JA, I get the feeling that the pick is going to be the cat from Georgia. He has great character, is big, isn't too slow, can block, can go over the middle. The only ding is the drops and the rise after the season. I think we get him and then a sleeper pick like Ogletree later in the draft. i dont think JA likes the size of R. Johnson so I think we go FS later in the draft.

We play a different kind of defense so maybe Simpson would be better here. Its also a reason I think Bullocks will be better than expected here.

I was listening to the Dan Patrick show on the way to work and the draft guy from the NFL NEtwork said Harvin has top ten talent but UDFA character. I guess I didn't know that. It seems JA is big on character this year so maybe we pass even at 49.

lol. Wasn't trying to be a jerk, but I'm sad you missed out on that thread.

Man there was a thread like a week ago on this. I liked that Olsen and Cut were "bonding"

Thats the guy everyone on the board hates at 49.

Shoot, that sounds like a replacement for Url. Get him and beef him up a little.

lol He has no fluidity in the hips. He has straight line speed. He has poor change of direction. The only reason he started at all at Miami is because they had nobody else. Again, pass.

Bruce Johnson is not very good at all. And I'm a Hurricane fan. Pass.

lol I agree that WR will prolly be what is taken in the 2nd round for us. But, IMO, the trade has secured JA's tenure for years. Before that, not so much. If it doesn't work out, I believe it will be on the coaches hands.

So you are saying in two or three years he might be on the hot seat? Thats pretty vague stuff. lol In two of three years, Detroit might win a SB too. Or they might be the worst team in the league. Alot of stuff can happen in 2 or 3 years, especially with a labor situation brewing.

I agree. I wonder what the offers are at right now?

How many years did Wanny and Jauron have left on their contracts?

I remember reading he was looking for 7 or 8 mil a year..... I dont think the Bears bite at that number.

The bottom line on JA is that he is good until his contract runs out. They are not going to pay him to sit at home. So he is all set for four or five more years.

Didn't say he was the best. I like him better than Madden.

From reading the Bears blog at ESPNChicago.com, teams are starting to liek the Mitchell kid and he infers that he might not be there with our 4th rounder. I think we will reach for some kids that we don't think will be there with our next pick just to make sure we get them. I think if we go for a DE it will be a purely stats guy. A fast, mostly pass rush guy. I could be wrong. The thing about this draft is it is so all over the place. I've read a ton of mocks and they are so different from each other its amazing. Even if you look at people on the boards predictions, there are players some are high on and others think will be UDFA's. Again, I think people will be pissed, but I also think that some of the reaches that people will be hammering JA for will turn out to be good players.

Again, I prefer someone who can give me information over a rambling idiot any day of the week. And my hearing is fine....