Mongo3451
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1 hour ago, jason said:1000%.
Besides, I'd rather do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to make Caleb Williams happy and comfortable. I think he'd much rather see OL at #9, and his security blanket Brenden Rice in the 3rd.
I just screenshot this off the TV. It supports the OL principle that we like. Top need, center 92% success rate. Sign me up for a trade down and Graham Barton for the win!
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1 hour ago, Pixote said:
I just saw another mock draft on nbcsportschicago.com. They mentioned a forth round pick as a solid OC candidate, one that could be a starter within a year. I don't recall anyone mentioning this guy, so I'd be curious if any of you have an opinion on:
Hunter Nourzad, IOL, or Penn State.
Good? Bad? So-So? LOL
If we go fourth round center, I'm taking Beaux Limmer.
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27 minutes ago, killakrzydav said:
LOL
I see what you did...🤪
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3 hours ago, AZ54 said:
I would say he’s keeping his options open. First see who is still on the board at 9 then compare against any offers you get.
Yup. If there is not a clear blue chip at nine, that he can't get at twenty, why not trade back and get two for one? Poles has put us in a great position. Not only has he exceeded my expectations, I have complete trust in him.
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3 hours ago, jason said:
For being so hyped and “generational,” for throwing away Fields, there js zero doubt that Williams better produce immediately. And ten wins is a must. Without each, it’s a disappointment.
Williams doesn’t have to go for 4K and 30TDs, but for the drastic turn this franchise is about to take, there is VERY little room for excuses.
That's a tad critical for me. My full expectation, keeping Justin, was to win ten games. Now, that we will have Caleb pulling the trigger, I expect a little less. Growing pains, regardless of talent, definitely happen. However, I'm expecting 12-13 wins next year, even with our division being on the rise.
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37 minutes ago, jason said:
I’m 100% fine with drafting what you believe to be an all pro OG in the first round.
I pay car, property, and life insurance. Same concept. You get insurance for the things that are most important. And if the insurance costs more than you’d like, you accept that since it protects the thing that’s actually important, and worth FAR more than what you’re paying on insurance.
If Fuaga comes into camp with cauliflower ears, a neck as thick as his head, and a willingness to bite off an opponent’s testicles to save Williams, then IDGAF that an OG is drafted in the first.
The message should be universal:
PROTECT WILLIAMS (not Fields) AT ALL COSTS
That's the way I see it brother...
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Roman Wilson would be nice...
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2 hours ago, Pixote said:
Hell no., 10 wins minimum unless we suffer significant injuries to our blue-chip players.
Last year, the Bears won 7 games. There were 2 games I still cannot figure out how we lost, which would have made it 9 wins.
We've made strategic changes to our coaching staff, bolstered our defense with a legit Safety, and added depth to our offense with a RB, TE, WR, and strengthened our OL. These are significant improvements that should inspire confidence.
Now it appears we will draft our franchise QB and add another blue-chip player.
That isn't worth another 2 or 3 wins?
Nope, there's no reason to slow my roll.
Love it!...💪
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Was listening to Peggy and Dion this afternoon and they had some good Caleb stuff. Evidently he's been having zoom meetings with the staff. The meetings have all been orientation/transition based and what to expect salary wise. A lot of talk about playing in structure and taking the win when it presents itself.
He also did an interview with Ryan Clark and talked about himself as a person. He's been living on his own since highschool, where his parents put him in an apartment so he could play at the best high school. In his formative years, he was provided the best training, because he wanted only to be the best. He also talked about crying. He said the last time that happened was in fourth grade when he and his team lost a championship game. He started that he didn't even feel like crying when he jumped to his mother, but as she touched him he just lost it. He and his buddies joke about it now, making memes with him and Jordan crying in the same picture.
I think we're getting a dude Chicago is going to love, from his raw honesty and immense talent.
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1 hour ago, Pixote said:
If we have any less than 10 wins next year I will be disappointed.
Slow your roll big fella. Vegas has us at 8.5. I'm taking the over.
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21 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
We also have Bowers out there as a really good receiving option, and with the right supporting cast he might pose more of a problem to defenses than Harrison.
Bowers will be a problem if he goes to the right situation. (In a good way) He can line up anywhere on the field. Deebo can't even do that. I said it months ago, that I believe he might be the best weapon in the draft.
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I wouldn't. I believe he has been over hyped, with me being complicit as well. The more I see and hear, he has the biggest bust potential of the big three. Folks talk about Odunze making a lot of congested catches, for to lack of separation. I see the same with MHJ. He didn't work out in any of the explosion drills, which may have seen him running in the 4.5's. He was smart to rest on his laurels and not jeopardize anything with a bad forty. MHJ definitely has the pedigree, skill set and production though.
Didn't get me wrong, I think he's worth drafting highly, just not trading up for.
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
Heres my point.
When you argue that someone must be right because of their credentials, that is a logical fallacy called "argument from authority"
It's very easy to show why it is a logical fallacy.
Find two people with similar credentials who disagree - boom, youve just proved that having credentials doesnt make you right, since people with similar credentials disagree.
It's like saying "well my lawyer says Im right in my legal case, and that proves it because he is a professional lawyer" well sure, but does the other side have a professional lawyer too? And are they saying the opposite? Then that proves that being a professional lawyer doesn't make you right about the law, since another professional lawyer disagrees.
So if the pros disagree, and they cant both be right, then being a pro doesnt make you right.
Spielman has had plenty of bust picks. He doesnt have a crystal ball. No one does. That's why your argument of authority is a fallacy.He's not arguing that Spielman is right. He's stating that he trusts him and others like him over less football centric folks that haven't played, coached or scouted professionally. It's the same way I think due to the smallest of things they know, that we don't.
As an example, I was a very good baseball player and was asked to walk on at IU. However, I was very untrained as an athlete due to poor coaching. These dudes knew so much more than me mentally and physically. I didn't stick.
Skip forward 30 years to me coaching my son in baseball. I thought I was doing alright until a former pro can't to work with me. I quickly made him the coach and learned directly from a pro. It was night and day. He still knows more than he can ever teach. After that we got another pro in the coaching tree and these dudes speak a different language that the rest of us can't keep up with. They are the real deal and they know we aren't.
So, here we are, only giving opinions and eye test analysis. I think I know OL and DL better than most on here, because that's what I used to be. But if I'm talking to a pro, I always acquiesce to their knowledge. Do they get things wrong? Absolutely. Do we get things right? Yes. But they get more right than we do by a long shot.
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Historically, the higher the pick, the better chance of success. OL happens to be the king of that stat...
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1 minute ago, adam said:
Barton is shooting up boards for some reason.
He's shooting up because he initially was slated as an OT, then OG, now center. He can literally pay any position on the OL. His arms are slightly short for an LT, but was all ACC at it.(Longer than JPJ though) He'll make a great center prospect, as will JPJ. They are running 1 and 2 depending on who you look at.
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2 hours ago, Pixote said:
I just saw this proposed trade on NFL.com as one of three possible round 1 trades that would be a win/win for teams involved. This one had Chicago trading #9 to KCC. I personally do not like the deal. The first, being the last pick of rd 1, and he second rounder, again near the bottom of round 2, are not much better than a 2nd & 3rd instead of a 1st & 2nd. The extra 4th round is cool, but the 2025 #1 will probably be near the end of round 1.
What do you guys think? Would you do this trade?
I would on the condition that we could parlay picks to somehow get back in the top twenty and get another second rounder. It would be tough sledding though, Poles would have to have a trade partner in advance.
Odds are a strong no.
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1 hour ago, AZ54 said:
sorry I sent that before reading the whole thread which was blowing up quickly. I see your strategy but if it were me I’d rather take JPJ at 13. Glaring need. Blue chip talent and no position change adjustment needed. He’s good enough to slide out to G IMO so that pick covers depth at all the interior spots. I see Killer’s point about the value but we are talking about investing in protecting a #1 QB. Sometimes you can’t always get the value proposition right while the downside risk to the higher value position of QB means if he’s your guy you just take him.
I drafted the best center prospect with my trade. Barton will probably go before JPJ. (JPJ has a concussion history) He started out as a center and ended up at left tackle because he was so athletic. The boards are changing that way. If be happy with either.
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9 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
I’m curious with your Oline background what you see in Fuaga. He seems a bit stiff not as fluid as I’d like for a LT. I think he’ll be fine at RT but we got one. I like Barton a lot.
I'm drafting him to be an OG, since I don't trust any of our guards. He would be an absolute animal next to Wright. Let Davis and Jenkins battle it out. Since Waldron runs a lot of two and three TE sets, strength up the middle is more useful. (Kinda like Sean Peyton runs) I've been criticized for drafting him so high to be OG, but where would you draft Larry Allen if you thought he would be that dude?
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11 minutes ago, killakrzydav said:
Talk shit all you want about my mocks; it won't bother me whatsoever. My reading is fine .The substance of your post couldn't keep me engaged till the end. Regardless, my opinion is that you're retarded to select a G. You don't have to like my opinion.
Fine with me. Play all you want. Respect is what it is. I know where I stand now.
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27 minutes ago, killakrzydav said:
SO your real live taking a guard at nine? You must be retarded. Wasted opportunity.
Didn't start Killa. I never talked shit on any of the dumb ass mock drafts you posted. BTW, it's not at nine. I traded out. You must not read well...
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55 minutes ago, killakrzydav said:
Fuaga must be a tackle or you wasted the pick. He’s a right tackle though.
Most draft analyst have him moving inside.
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42 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Picking top 15 and grabbing an OG is a luxury we can't afford with other deficiencies.
It depends on the offense you are running. Sean Peyton values guards over tackles for inside out schemes. If our system dictates better inside blocking, you can't get better than Fuaga.
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20 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
But Im not sure we dont need our future WR, OT or DE more.
We are one player from completing the D, EDGE. We are one player from completing the O, center. Adding Fuaga brings a talent infusion and huge depth. A WR doesn't complete anything, but it's definitely a building block to keep our QB stocked with talent. I also drafted Tez Walker and Cade Stover for young weapons. I'm all for WR at the right time. For me, it's finish the trenches first, then WR. Fat boy dream...
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2 hours ago, dawhizz said:
So, are you moving Wright to LT? Because I’m pretty sure Fuaga projects best to RT.
Moving Fuaga to guard. Could imagine him next to Wright? Plus, I don't trust Davis or Jenkins to give a full season.
Would you?
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I believe so.