jason

You are what you do.

I love vocal new members. Regarding your post, maybe it's the fact that this franchise has not taken the right chances that has gotten them in QB trouble over the years? Instead of retread old dudes like Chandler, complete non-QBs like Kordell Stewart (who never got dumped on like Tim Tebow is getting dumped on, despite being a worse throwing QB), or 7th round piles of garbage like Moses Moreno, they are actually trying to get a player with potential upside. Since Jim Harbaugh left this is what the Bears have seen: 1994 - Steve Walsh (11) / Erik Kramer (5) - Both journeymen with average skills and nearly no upside 1995 - Erik Kramer - Fluke year, still no potential 1996 - Dave Krieg (12) / Erik Kramer (4) - Yeah, adding old ass Dave Krieg to the mix was a look towards the future 1997 - Erik Kramer (13) / Rick Mirer (3) - The Rick Mirer traded was horrible when it happened, and it is still horrible. 1998 - Erik Kramer (8) / Steve Stenstrom (7) / Moses Moreno (1) - At this point keeping Kramer was like holding on to 8-track tape players, Stenstrom and Moreno were horrible (I guess Stenstrom at this point had potential 1999 - Shane Matthews (7) / Cade McNown (6) / Jim Miller (3) - Matthews had the weakest arm in NFL history and had no potential. Cade was our rookie pick that didn't work out, but at least it's an effort. Jim Miller was a journeyman, stop-gap, essentially the replacement for Erik Kramer. 2000 - Cade McNown (9) / Shane Matthews (5) / Jim Miller (2) - The Bears begin to give McNown the steering wheel. It doesn't work out. At least they tried. 2001 - Jim Miller (13) / Shane Matthews (3) - Treading water. Nothing more, nothing less. 2002 - Jim Miller (8) / Chris Chandler (7) / Henry Burris (1) - Bandaid, bandaid that lets blood ooze, bandaid that doesn't even stick to the skin. Horrible. 2003 - Kordell Stewart (7) / Chris Chandler (6)/ Rex Grossman (3) - Kordell was an average QB at best, and this was obviously not a move for the future. Chandler was collecting social security. Rex was the Bears attempt to groom someone for the position...which is why we all loved him at first. 2004 - Craig Krenzel (5) / Chad Hutchinson (5)/ Jonathan Quinn (3) / Rex Grossman (3) - Krenzel was never going to succeed in the NFL, but it was a somewhat smart move to continue drafting QBs with the hope of finding the next great one. Hutchinson was also a decent gamble. At the time he had all sorts of buzz, and this was thought of as a high-reward, low-risk move. Medicine Woman was just an atrocious move, period. All in all, this was a good attempt to fill the position with some potential upside. 2005 - Kyle Orton (15) / Rex Grossman (1) - Orton was essentially the organization taking a mulligan on Krenzel, because they realized he was terrible. At this point the Bears had two young, promising QBs, and the battle between Sexy Rexy and Neckbeard began. 2006 - Rex Grossman (16) - Sexy Rexy wins, but the QB position looks fairly stable, until Lovie dicked around with his playing time at the end of the year and created a controversy, perhaps forever tarnishing Grossman's confidence. 2007 - Rex Grossman (7) / Brian Griese (6) / Kyle Orton (3) - I didn't like the Greasy move at the time, because it essentially said, "Hey you two young QBs, one of you will be third string." This started the next downfall, and caused many arguments on this board. 2008 - Kyle Orton (15) / Rex Grossman (1) - Neckbeard wins over Sexy Rexy, and looks decent in his first chance to be a starter. 2009 - Jay Cutler (16) - The move had to be made. Rex was a shell and Orton was gone. 2010 - Jay Cutler (15) / Todd Collins (1) - Jay still the foundation, Todd Collins was a pointless journeyman with no hope of success. Many here complained loudly about the need for a backup. 2011 - Jay Cutler (10) / Caleb Hanie (4) / Josh McCown (2) - 2010, ditto. 2012 - Jay Cutler (15) / Jason Campbell (1) - The Bears, always seemingly two years late, do what the fans have been calling for: securing a solid backup QB. Sure, he ended up being forgettable, but it was a shot at a player who looked to have upside in Washington, but fell into the black-hole at Oakland. It was a good move, just didn't work out. To summarize - Draft picks with potential (McNown, Grossman, Orton) Draft picks as filler (Krenzel) Gambles (Hutchinson) Great moves (Cutler) Moves for journeymen, bad player, or both (Walsh, Kramer, Krieg, Miller, Chandler, Griese, Campbell, Mirer, Stenstrom, Matthews, Kordell, Quinn, Collins, Hanie) Seems pretty obvious to me what the problem has been.

You're right. LOVE IT. It shows the Bears are not complacent. It shows they are willing to take a no-risk, high-reward chance on a player in substitute of signing a guy who fits the skill level of a 3rd string scrub, a guy concealed behind glass, break in case of emergency.

Dude, there have been times when a team has had to resort to a non-QB player playing QB. In that case, they played QB. By your logic, even though they played 99% of their snaps at another position, because they played a handful of snaps at QB they are then QBs. It's about the concept of volume and percentage, which apparently eludes you. Where he played in HS, college, or where he was drafted is inconsequential; it's all about what he does now. And that, my friend, is playing ST. When he starts to significantly contribute as a WR - kind of like the transition Devin Hester made from a ST/WR to WR/ST - then you may have a point; but, until that time, Weems is a ST player and not a WR you so covet...which is kind of funny since he's short and it doesn't fit into the whole "OMG we have to have 6'6" WRs"-narrative you've been on about since early last year.

Pretty clear you're not thinking very deeply on this. If Cutler goes down, and the backup goes down, and the backup's backup goes down...is the next guy a QB? Sure, in a pinch they might have that guy throw a pass when he's lined up at QB, but is he a QB? Obvious answer is no. Same as Weems. By that same respect, I guess the late, great Walter Payton was a QB, because he threw some passes. I know all those pesky rushing yards get in the way of his clear definition as a QB, but since he threw a pass he's a QB. Right? I guess by your definition, if both pilots on a plane pass out, and one of the passengers take control of the plane, that makes them a pilot. Or maybe when a little kid gets to visit the cockpit and they grab the sticks or push a button that makes them a pilot as well. Hell, I once was in the front seat and got to "steer" for about two seconds. I'm a pilot. I'd say it's just passengers who are impersonating pilots, but if you want to see it your way, fine. Weems can call himself a WR. He can be listed on websites as a WR. But he makes next to zero impact as a WR and nearly all of his impact as a ST player. Therefore, he's a ST player. Unless, of course, you're going to hang your hat on Walter as a QB.

Hilarious. You couldn't be more wrong. Weems is less a WR than Tebow is a QB. Get it through your thick skull: He is a ST player. Period! It's possible to be just a ST player. Many do it. Sure, in a pinch they might ask him to run a route as the 5th or 6th WR, but he makes virtually zero impact as a WR...which means he's not a WR. The 53-man roster allows for this privilege. 11 on offense, 11 on defense. That's 22. Figure in backups and that's 44. Figure in specialists (e.g. Punter, kicker, long snapper), and that's 47ish. There is room for a pure ST player...which is what Weems plays.

This is not 20/20 hindsight. I didn't like the pick then because I thought it was a luxury with plainly obvious greater needs. Once they had him on roster, I begrudgingly embraced it and hoped they would use him to his fullest edge as a hybrid TE (I.e. last year's usage), like Hernandez. That didn't work out either. Now the dude looks like a turd...a waste all around.

Wasted pick when it happened, wasted potential when he got switched to FB and got minimally used, and now he's likely to fulfill the trifecta of waste...wasted talent.

Easy answer for a long post... He's a special teams player. That's his job. If all hell breaks loose, then he might get some PT at WR...but he is not a WR for the Bears.

That's just stupid. I don't get paid to post on the Bearstalk website. Or anywhere else. If I had mayer's job I'd answer better questions than the ridiculous cherries he picks, and I would be a much more liked journalist. Huge difference between tolerating something when it's your job, and posting semi-anonymously on a message board. You even admit we could do it. I'm quite sure he had better questions to answer.

I can't find the thread exactly, but nobody laughed at you regarding the Marshall pick or the Jeffery pick. Both were nearly unanimously cheered. People laughed because you wanted everybody on the planet over 6'6", and were adamant about signing Marshall, drafting Jeffery, and then signing another high priced free agent or two. It was exactly then, as it is now... Marshall is a no brainer. Jeffery was a good pick at the position. Weems is 99% ST, and isn't a WR. And Thomas is 0% on the team.

I love the archives sometimes. This comment made me laugh because the only person the ball could be thrown to would be Marshall. Jeffery would push off or get hurt. Davis would drop the ball. The 6'10" guy would be completely lost. And Drake wouldn't have known how to coach them if his life depended on it.

HA! Searching the archives and found this gem. Webb planning on "eating and drinking football." I guess we know why he was so eager to eat; he had the munchies.

Dude. Are you shitting me? Virtually everyone on the board, excluding you apparently (since you don't think so), can do the same job as well as he does. Answering a few questions a week? A month? Give me a break. I'm sure part of many of our jobs requires some aspects of writing, and I guaran-damn-tee you I write more informative and financially responsible material than Mayer does on a daily basis. I'm absolutely baffled you could think something so plainly ignorant, as if Mayer is a freaking brain surgeon or rocket scientist who does work that is leaps and bounds above the average person's head.

I don't know if this is a simple reply of truth, or a clever double entendre. If it's simple truth, I agree. Mayer sucks. If not, bravo for lacing sarcasm and a reference to one of my favorite lines from Taken.

Your whole premise is based on a big if. Especially for a guy who has limited football background and knowledge, and has bounced from team to team without significant playing time. And the saying goes, "if frogs had wings..."

It's infuriating! I asked legit questions in the past, and they never get answered. Almost nothing of significance ever gets answered. Maybe next he can answer whether Jay Cutler has the starter's role locked up this year.

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/chalk-tal...d0-394fa8a6cdcf Will Lance Briggs be moved to middle linebacker to control the defense? Seriously? SERIOUSLY!? These are the questions he gets? These are the questions he answers?! If the question was sent from someone on this board...

Actually, I'm not a big ERod fan. I'm a "don't waste a draft pick before actually trying to use his skill set and seeing what he has"-fan. The Bears have done far too much of this in recent years. It aggravates me. Don't freaking draft a guy unless there are plans to use him. I'm completely alright with picking up Cinnabon for the exact reasons you mentioned (i.e. basketball pedigree), but I loathe mismanagement of personnel. It's one of the main reasons why I hate how the Bears have dicked around with the OL for years, putting a G at C, a C at G, a T at G, and a scrub at T.

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Here you go again. :shakehead

Lined Up Using They could line him up at WR, TE, FB, and QB but if they run, run, pass deep, and direct snap to the RB, respectively, then he's not being used. Like last year. BTW, all this kind of stuff was discussed in ERod's comical draft thread. Wow, were there a lot of wrong people in that one.

Are using? When the hell did that happen? Did I miss that season? Or are you going off of what has been said about the upcoming season? We've been teased with the double-TE formation enough times that it was a positive in the running game one season and a positive in the passing game in another. I gotta see it to believe it. And, thus far, ERod has most certainly not been used "all over the field." But, yeah, let's go ahead and basically throw away a pass-catching, hybrid TE who excelled in college for a guy who is tall. Football Player > Measurables.

That's how I remember it too. I remember thinking, "We own the Falcons as long as Vick is their QB. Thanks Urlacher."