jason

Qualifiers are truths in this situation. Randy Moss drafted by the Bears never turns into Randy Moss.

Just because you don't want to go back and look for something doesn't make it true. What you are mentioning has been done on this board many times over the years. As for your direct challenge, I'll do it, but there is one problem. We don't know what the players would have done on any other team. A player's success or failure has a lot to do with the talent and team around him. If Tom Brady had been drafted by the Bears he would not be married to Giselle or have won the SB multiple times. It's just a 100% guarantee. As for the QBs, here's my best guess as for the current situation. Baker Mayfield - He'll look like a spark plug, energize with some great plays here and there, but ultimately won't amount to much more than average. Mostly because the Cleveland Browns are the Cleveland Browns. Towards his final contract year the team will struggle with the decision to re-sign him or draft another QB. Sam Darnold - I don't think he'll start right away. Their WRs and OL are a mess, and I couldn't tell you who is going to play TE for them. By the time his rookie contract ends he'll have shown enough to be their QB of the future. Josh Allen - Bust. He had problems at a lower level college environment. Josh Rosen - I think he'll be the one who will have the most success. Their talent level on offense is pretty good, and there are already talks of figuring out how to get rid of Sam Bradford. On top of that, the Browns decided against Rosen because of a volleyball player's comments at an airport. Lamar Jackson - I love Ozzie Newsome and his drafting style in general, so I have a hard time doubting him. Flacco is near the end, and I think they'll have sub-packages to put in Lamar Jackson here and there. He'll be electric like Michael Vick. But his success hinges on protection and skill players who make him comfortable enough he doesn't feel the need to run every other down. All of the above is still an uncertainty, mostly because nobody knows what the teams will or won't do with the other several dozen positions over the next few years. If they ignore the OL like the Bears have done, then none of the guys above will likely have a chance at sustained success.

I think DBDB is right. We need RR/Bullard to step up. This deficiency should have been addressed in the draft. Dorance Armstrong or Josh Sweat in the 4th would have made more sense given their college production/positioning. Hopefully Iggy can make the transition from ILB to OLB like the rumors say.

I think the Lions did pretty well. 1/20 C Ragnow - Makes Stafford more comfortable in the pocket. 2/11 RB Kerryon Johnson - I've seen this guy since middle school. He's a stud. I've been saying he'd be a pro since he was in 9th grade. I hated seeing him to go a division rival. He could be special. 3/18 S Tracy Walker - I didn't get this pick as much. Didn't know much about him. 4/14 DE Da'shawn Hand - Great value. Potential to be a stud if he produces to talent level. 5/16 G Tyrell Crosby - Great value here. Makes Stafford more comfortable in the pocket. 7/19 RB Nick Bawden - A camp body.

Ditto. The interior looks strong, but the OTs are not. There's also the flip-flop of a natural OG playing C (Whitehair), and a natural C playing OG (rookie). That hasn't traditionally worked in the past. Throw in Kyle Long's injury history, and the OL could derail any of the skill position players picked up...just like it has over and over for the past 20 years or so.

Roquan. I didn't want an ILB in the first, and I think going a different direction would have benefited the team more overall, but I think he can do great things for the team. I'm predicting 100+ tackles rookie year.

We've done that for years on this board. The post draft analysis where we say what we would have done with the Bears picks. Maybe not in an official "This is the thread where we..." manner, but it's been done. It's just a matter of tracking back the details to see what the hit percentages are.

Very well said. This isn't the 1980s where only the teams hold information. If a fan wanted to, they could read and watch information about hundreds of players back to their high school days. Good comment on Jarron Gilbert, who I called a "pool jumping dickhead" a few years back. It would be a fun exercise to point to a move or selection each year that each poster believes was a bad move. Personally, I think the Saints WAY over-reached on what they gave up to get Marcus Davenport.

What I'm saying is, these guys are human as well. They have more resources at their disposal, but they are still prone to the same prejudices we have. Tice proved that when he got a boner after Jamarcus Webb chipped his tooth. And because of all that, they don't have a very high success rate. They're put on a pedestal because they chose a career path we probably all wish we had chosen years and years ago, but they started out just like everyone else. They were fans of football. It's entirely possible, in fact even probable given the failure rate, they are overwhelmed by the information and it muddies the waters. It clouds their vision. What's the saying? Can't see the forest for the trees?

I could easily maintain the friendship. Typing loses lots of the interaction, and at our core we are all devoted Bears fans. We follow the team because we love them. Those picking for the team do so because it's their current job, or even a stepping stone for their ideal job. We will always love the Bears and have the Bears best long term interest in mind.

I don’t think anyone on a message board knows more about coaching defense than Fangio, or most others that are in the NFL for that matter. But their presence in the NFL doesn’t make them experts at picking talent. They are experts, or are supposed to be experts, at coaching. The best ever (Polian) said even the NFL folks are 50/50 at best when drafting. Furthermore, Fangio has been here three years and only last year was the D good. He definitely knows who he wants for his system more, but that doesn’t mean the collective opinion here is necessarily any worse at picking talent. And until the Bears have sustained success, the “they’re in the NFL and know more”- line is BS. After all, that same line was used when we had the last 20+ years of coaches and horrible draft picks. It’s nearly unfathomable to think we could have done much worse over that stretch. It kills me how people will use that line while a guy is in chicago, then dog the dude and call him a moron when he gets fired. The guy can’t be an amazing talent evaluator and coach while in Chicago and simultaneously be incompetent when he gets canned. Last but not least, if someone had the time It would be easy to go back through this board’s history and see many, many times when we were right and the coaches/GM were wrong. Probably hundreds of times among all of us.

I definitely agree with this.

Until day three anyway. The Iggy pick doesn’t make sense at all.

Thus far the day three draft doesn’t make a lot of sense. An ILB who is not needed and a DT whose best fit is the back up NT?

I don’t understand the Iggy pick at all. No need for another ILB at this point. Especially since there is still a OLB, DE. OT, and CB need.

DaShawn Hand at 3-4DE. He’d instantly make our rush OLBs better.

Two OTs with upside, stud NT, and a freakish edge rusher. The Raiders Are having a great draft.

Miller is one of those guys who knows how to get open. Every break and cut for every route looks the same, so he separates from DBs.

I don’t think the Bears should mortgage more picks to do it, but if hey do I only want to see Lorenzo Carter or Arden Key.

1. Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis Grade: A+ The Bears land one of the best receivers in this draft. I think this kid will be a game-changer for Mitchell Trubisky. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-nfl-draft-round-2-draft-order-grades-for-picks-33-through-64-live-updates-on-day-2/

True. I was hoping Grasu would pan out and allow Whitehair to move left, but it didn’t work out. I’d still like an OT.

I’m not a fan of Pace trading up every year. If he were going to trade up, I would have hoped it was for edge rusher.

They traded a fourth this year and a second next year?

How do you know this so quickly?! It’s not even on nfl.com.

The knock on Daniels is that he has difficulty with bigger, stronger guys.