ChileBear
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- Keith Randolph Jr., DT, Illinois
- Austin Reed, QB, Western Kentucky
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Now on to the fun of UDFAs.
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44 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
I think Odunze is a really really good and grounded dude. He is going to work hard, etc. He has good 40 speed and shown a ton of ability to make tight catches and use his body. It really comes down to me - will those strength's overcome his lack of quickness - or is he quick enough to get enough seperation where he can dominate in the pro's or with the margin's shrinking and the hits better does it kind of negate some of his strength's and he ends up more "okay". Barring injury I think no matter what he will be a solid 750-900 yard guy...the question is can he be a 1300 yard type of receiver.
He has two great vets to learn from in Moore and Allen.
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7 hours ago, lemonej said:
I wouldn't trade up for MHJ. I also believe that Nabors or Odunze will be available at 9. Minnesota did not acquire two first round picks to stay back and wait for a replacement for Cousins. I believe 4 QBs will go in the top 10 and maybe the top 5. That number 4 pick is where the most likely spot for Harrison to go. AZ already having 2 1st rounders may be tough to move of 4 but, the Chargers with a new HC and GM may be willing to deal as well as NYG at 6. Tenn at 7 and ATL 8 aren't WR spots.
Poles has made 21 picks in his 2 drafts and I'm okay with him staying with 4 picks and will consider Sweat, Allen and Bates as part of this draft.
Agree totally. If anything I see Poles trading down. We are in a great spot in this year's draft. No need to mortgage anything to move up. watch what happens with the forst 8 picks and who is there at 9 for us, then make that decision to draft or trade down. I trust Poles to get this right.
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
In order of importance, the most important position on the field is the QB, and so the second most important position is the guy that knocks the QB down.
Or your guy at OT that keeps that from happening. But I do think the big need is DE/DT and unless on of the top OL is there at 9 my bet is on DE/DT.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
Ryan Leaf feels like the Josh Allen that failed. There are so many different career arcs.
I've heard him on the Dan Patrick Show. He seems to know his stuff and not bitter about his failure as a QB.
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51 minutes ago, adam said:
Where are you getting this? Allen played at Cal, not USC.
Heard that on Carmen and Yerko ESPN Chicago. But I guess he did play at Cal
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32 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
lol
He is a USC alum, has a home in SoCal, so not a surprise he was there. But I get the joke. 😆
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1 hour ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
No doubt however he does elsewhere will be measured to whomever replaces him. I would suspect that to last a while.
And FWIW, although technically correct, I would (respectfully) disagree he’s ’just like Trubisky’ as his fan base has been much more invested this time round. And because of that the Ghost of Justin will be around for a bit. Only way to exorcise that is for whomever replaces him to play their ‘cajones out’.
Yes, the new guy must "play their ‘cajones out’" and do better than Justin's 10-28 record. LOL
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33 minutes ago, Lucky Luciano said:
come on dude, there are kids reading this site. tone it down some.
Thank you Lucky.
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14 hours ago, adam said:
What it comes down to is their own internal evaluation of Justin. If they didn't think he could improve enough to pay him, and based on the compensation, 31 other teams felt the same way, then what can Poles do?
There would've been way too much drama in the locker room and with the fanbase, so this is an unfortunate set of circumstances.
This. And also evry other team's evaluation of him in the league. Look, I like Justin, but he just is not a starting NFL QB at this point. Three years in and he NEVER took over any game and so often fell apart in the fourth quarter. Good luck to him, but time for my team to look for a true QB that can take us to the next level. Did Poles get fleeced? I don't believe so given the market. Should we have kept Fields and draft the next QB? That would have caused so much doubt and whispering that would have ripped the team apart. Will the new QB struggle? Probably, but the expectation is he'll have the ability to be great. Justin had three years and didn't show it. Now we move on to a new QB era everyone, like it or not.
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2 hours ago, AZ54 said:
This guy?
Justin Herbert has not won in the playoffs in his career.
Just a gut feeling that Harbaugh breaks that streak.
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3 minutes ago, jason said:
Neither of our scenarios is guaranteed.
You increase odds by creating a good team that consistently makes the playoffs and threatens for the SB every year. It’s more realistic to build a team, create the culture, sustain excellence, and get to the big dance a few times a decade if you’re lucky.
Otherwise you’re making “very good” the enemy of “perfect,” and ruining a good team every 4 years in search of virtually unattainable perfection.
Bottom line: Until we have a solid QB we ain't winning anything. Use that no. 1 on the best QB this year and paly with that no. 9 pick. What a unique and great position we're in for the draft.
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12 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
Did you ever play football? It's important to the context.
Yes I did.
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6 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
I could list a myriad of reasons why and how I would wholesale disagree with you but what would that accomplish? Rather than hash that out I'll leave it as 'we'll agree to disagree'. Signed - Skip
Agree with you, Alaskan. And just can't wrap my head around Mongo's "logic".
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1 hour ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
And to Jason’s point; like 1(2) or 1(11)?
I think it's not a good argument to say we've failed previously in selecting a QB with the first pick so when one comes available that is much more highly touted than any since Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning, we should stick our heads in the sand and let some other team have him. To be great ya gotta take the swings. I see this as such an opportunity. We've got that no. 9 pick as well. What a great spot to be in. Don't f it up by worrying about possible failure. What about total success and a Super Bowl with a great QB? And that's to Jason's point about HOPE.
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28 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
If Fields was set to make big money, this wouldn't even be a conversation but he's two years away from getting offered 40 plus million.
So one senario would be the Aaron Rogers/Jorden Love one? Okay. Sounds a bit off with the Bears.
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1 minute ago, jason said:
You hold Fields because he’s still under rookie contract and you try to fix the team around him. If they improve the OL like you suggest, then Fields will look better and the Bears will make an immediate ascension.
I just don't think Fields has the next level in him as a QB. He has skill, but another year of "improve around him and "the Fields will look better" will just be another of our franchise failures you alluded to earlier.
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4 minutes ago, jason said:
I love Waddle, but that’s nonsense. We’ve seen countless teams make players look better than when they get to another team, whether that be offensive weapons, offensive scheme, coaching, or other. Look no further than Cutler: well over 4K, traded to Chicago, gets destroyed in year one, never the same again.
So we're hopeless, why follow the Bears as your team?
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6 minutes ago, jason said:
If Poles picks a QB, Williams to be exact, with the #1, that rookie will flounder with a below average OL, a below average RB, and a poor offensive scheme. DJ will want to leave. Kmet will want to leave. Williams will show himself to be an eccentric prima donna. The rookie QB will then be a bust. And Poles will be fired for following the previous Bears’ flaws of hitching a wagon to yet another horse that’s walking into a minefield.
Clear the minefield first.
Hold it, we've got two young and improving Tackles, cap space for free agents and draft capital. The OL will be better and I'd rather see a new QB with better skills than more of the same with Fields. And if what you say is true, then Fields was a lost cause two years ago, so why keep him longer, based on your arguement?
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8 minutes ago, jason said:
Exactly.
I hate that we haven’t learned as a franchise yet. First Trubisky, now Fields, and yet some still want to go all in on a single guy for the third time. It baffles the mind. Why? So a new guy can come in and fail?
The Super Bowl is won by teams. Not individuals. Great teams make superstars. Mahomes goes from good to great because he has a very solid OL, an incredible offensive mind running the show, one of the best TEs in NFL history as a weapon, and a solid WR corp.
The Bears need to focus on becoming a team, and right now they have a long way to go offensively.
Trubisky, Fields, franchise history with QBs is about to change. Poles, with the Panthers' pick, hass set us up with a once-in-a-franchise opportunity. He has the first pick in a QB heavy draft, and he has the 9th pick as well. If poles thinks one of the QBs is even a smidge bit better than Fields, its a done deal and he'll take him. THAT is how you change the course of a team that struggles for mediocrity at the position. Tom Waddle said today that great QBs make the surrounding players better, but surrounding a so-so QB with more talent doesn't improve the team. I think Poles has the right plan.
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14 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Yes, I agree anything they do to promote Justin increases the trade value but you can't exclude the prospect, he's just being honest. I don't think they have any definitive choices but all options are viable choices.Watched a video discussing the chance of them trading to 2 and then down again and that producing a ton of draft capital for the next few years. That could set a franchise ahead for an long success run. Imagine multi first round picks and seconds for the next two years plus the chance to continue that cycle for years to come.
Imagine passing on a QB that's better than Justin and the Bears continuing to lose games because our QB can't lead a fourth quarter rally. Hey, we are doing that now. So, given our position, I'm hoping Poles gets us a new QB that, for the least, we can win some of those games in the fourth quarter.
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4 minutes ago, dawhizz said:
Here's my Bears QB brain dump:
Long story short, I do not envy the decision Ryan Poles has to make.
I like Fields the person and like a lot of the things he does on the field, but I can't shake the fact that through pretty much the first half of each of the last two seasons, I thought he was awful. He does appear to be improving, but he's still not making easy decisions and throws that I need to see to make me think he's THE GUY. I definitely see the value in potentially trading the #1 pick and the haul you could get, but the big problem there is the QB class seem VERY shaky next year. So if Fields doesn't make major improvement next year, all that draft capital won't matter because there will be no one worth trading up for. No one's trading a franchise QB no matter how many draft picks you have and you can't just sign one. Sure, someone could break out next year in college football, but it's hard to envision, even with a break out season, that guy being seen as on the Caleb/Drake level. Which is all the more complicated for me because . . . I'm not sure I love the QBs in this draft either. I love the flashes from Caleb and his arm talent is unreal, but, as someone who can admit I wanted no part of Patrick Mahomes when he was coming out, I see the same concerns I had with Mahomes as far as mechanics, holding the ball too long, trying to do too much, etc. Just because Mahomes worked out, doesn't mean that every talented QB with those same concerns is going to be Mahomes. And for Maye I like him OK, and I want to like him more, I just don't feel like I see him drive the ball the way I see, say, Justin Herbert do (since they are often compared).
I guess where I end up landing as far as what I THINK I would do is this: (1) Move on from Fields, (2) if you have one QB clearly over another between Williams and Maye, draft that guy, (3) if you think they will both be great NFL QBs, and your grades are very close between the two, and if Washington will really give you (as has been speculated) #2, their second round pick this year, and their first next year for #1, you trade down a spot and take Maye.
Great thing for us is that we have the first pick, our choice of the litter AND pick nine as well. What's the odds that, if we trade out of no. 1, we end up with the first pick over-all next year? Highly unlikely. That's why I'm in for drafting QB with that first pick. And we could also trade pick 9, depending on how the cards play out. This is our once-in-a-generation drafting opportunity and I feel confident in Pole's to get it right.
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22 minutes ago, adam said:
Also, I was trying to envision what Fields would've done on the last drives. From previous games, it would've been a quick 4 and out, game over; a strip-sack, ballgame, or a bad interception, and the victory formation (for the other team). You can also mix in taking a bad sack in there (while holding the ball too long with receivers open). There is almost zero expectation of him leading a comeback to close out a game, especially if the defense allows a score that loses the lead.
Ouch! But I was thinking the same thing. And that's why I'm for drafting the QB with the first pick as opposed to trading--though the prospect for a trasure-trove is tempting. We need a reliable QB to bring back the Bears to NFL contention.
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