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14 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Yes, I agree anything they do to promote Justin increases the trade value but you can't exclude the prospect, he's just being honest. I don't think they have any definitive choices but all options are viable choices.Watched a video discussing the chance of them trading to 2 and then down again and that producing a ton of draft capital for the next few years. That could set a franchise ahead for an long success run. Imagine multi first round picks and seconds for the next two years plus the chance to continue that cycle for years to come.
Imagine passing on a QB that's better than Justin and the Bears continuing to lose games because our QB can't lead a fourth quarter rally. Hey, we are doing that now. So, given our position, I'm hoping Poles gets us a new QB that, for the least, we can win some of those games in the fourth quarter.
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4 minutes ago, dawhizz said:
Here's my Bears QB brain dump:
Long story short, I do not envy the decision Ryan Poles has to make.
I like Fields the person and like a lot of the things he does on the field, but I can't shake the fact that through pretty much the first half of each of the last two seasons, I thought he was awful. He does appear to be improving, but he's still not making easy decisions and throws that I need to see to make me think he's THE GUY. I definitely see the value in potentially trading the #1 pick and the haul you could get, but the big problem there is the QB class seem VERY shaky next year. So if Fields doesn't make major improvement next year, all that draft capital won't matter because there will be no one worth trading up for. No one's trading a franchise QB no matter how many draft picks you have and you can't just sign one. Sure, someone could break out next year in college football, but it's hard to envision, even with a break out season, that guy being seen as on the Caleb/Drake level. Which is all the more complicated for me because . . . I'm not sure I love the QBs in this draft either. I love the flashes from Caleb and his arm talent is unreal, but, as someone who can admit I wanted no part of Patrick Mahomes when he was coming out, I see the same concerns I had with Mahomes as far as mechanics, holding the ball too long, trying to do too much, etc. Just because Mahomes worked out, doesn't mean that every talented QB with those same concerns is going to be Mahomes. And for Maye I like him OK, and I want to like him more, I just don't feel like I see him drive the ball the way I see, say, Justin Herbert do (since they are often compared).
I guess where I end up landing as far as what I THINK I would do is this: (1) Move on from Fields, (2) if you have one QB clearly over another between Williams and Maye, draft that guy, (3) if you think they will both be great NFL QBs, and your grades are very close between the two, and if Washington will really give you (as has been speculated) #2, their second round pick this year, and their first next year for #1, you trade down a spot and take Maye.
Great thing for us is that we have the first pick, our choice of the litter AND pick nine as well. What's the odds that, if we trade out of no. 1, we end up with the first pick over-all next year? Highly unlikely. That's why I'm in for drafting QB with that first pick. And we could also trade pick 9, depending on how the cards play out. This is our once-in-a-generation drafting opportunity and I feel confident in Pole's to get it right.
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22 minutes ago, adam said:
Also, I was trying to envision what Fields would've done on the last drives. From previous games, it would've been a quick 4 and out, game over; a strip-sack, ballgame, or a bad interception, and the victory formation (for the other team). You can also mix in taking a bad sack in there (while holding the ball too long with receivers open). There is almost zero expectation of him leading a comeback to close out a game, especially if the defense allows a score that loses the lead.
Ouch! But I was thinking the same thing. And that's why I'm for drafting the QB with the first pick as opposed to trading--though the prospect for a trasure-trove is tempting. We need a reliable QB to bring back the Bears to NFL contention.
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8 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
I didn't say he deserves anymore time to show anything, there's several options and Poles will do what's best, whether it's popular or not. With Mahomes winning his third SB in 4 years, a top QB seems the most logical choice but dismissing his other options will put you in the same space when most were saying Flus was gone. That didn't happen. I hope Williams or Maye are one of the golden boys and our franchise takes a giant leap forward but none of that been proven quite yet. Let's let the process play out first.
Right. Going to be a very interesting offseason and, as we've done for ages, hope springs eternal. LOL
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1 hour ago, adam said:
From Kurt Warner:
Hey, he's only had three years. we should give him more time, right? Sarcasm. Draft a QB at no. 1 and move forward now with the base Poles has put together.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
They asked Bruce Arians what he looks for in a QB, he said "someone who is good in the two minute and scores in the 4th quarter".
Well, that definitely would eliminate Fields for Bruce.
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15 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Lots of players and former players support Fields. Playing the game or being in the locker room probably gives them more insight than an average fan so I have a tendency to value their opinion more.
Inmates running the asylum. I trust Poles is capable of making a great decision on draft day and thta he'll consider all of the noise and do his homework. And yes, that will include players' input, but he's taking a different perspective on the choice that players/former players.
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49 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Jerry in camp JF1. He felt OC was the issue.
Most "talented" yes, but definitely not the most winning nor who you want when trailing late in the game. Athleticism is awesome, but the ability to read D and release quick is better at the QB position.
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57 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
That seems accurate from what I've seen on X. I suspect it's fans liking Justin for being a tough kid, great leader and work ethic. Fans always like great traits for any player. They think he can get better with a better coach and more weapons. Why not.
Fields problem is he holds the ball too long and he hasn't won a game with a final, come from behind drive. Opposing D's know he holds the ball too long and that dooms the Bears to mediocrity. Right now I'm a definite draft a QB at one. We are in such a unique position: good young talent, great outlook for the D next season, great cap situation and another pick in the top 10. I trust Poles assessment of draft talent so I wan a new QB with one of our two no. 1. But, I'll just read something or listen to sports radio and I'm sure I'll filp-flop before the draft. But either way, we are in a great position.
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22 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Another couple sources.
1) Author Cam Mellor on CFN (dated 23 November 23) has Bo Nix as #1 and Williams #4 overall. From what I read in his article Cam appears to do more 'eye testing' than mega stat gathering.
https://collegefootballnetwork.com/top-college-football-quarterback-rankings-2023/
2) From SportsNaught author Andrew Buller-Russ (dated 02 December) has Daniels #1, Nix #2 and Williams #3. Maye is #6 on this list.
https://sportsnaut.com/top-college-football-quarterbacks/
3) Lastly, this article from Nick Shultz (dated 23 Dec 23) lists Williams as #1, Maye #2 and Nix at #6 but adds "He (Nix) was the most accurate passer in the country during the regular season..." and "Nix completed an FBS-leading 77.2% of his passes during the regular season..."
Goes to show you how many different opinions you can get as we head deep into draft season.
Trade No 1 and get Nix at no. 9?
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51 minutes ago, Lucky Luciano said:
really? maybe, maybe not.
i seem to remember back when president ted phillips stood on the podium next to the family gardener and said any decisions to fire a coach/gm (there has been so many i can't remember the details of who it was) CLEARLY state he would have to talk it over with mike mccaskey. hmmmm.... not quite what they led us to believe about who was running the show.
here is the FINAL NOTE: would you right now today give eberflus a 4 year extension on his contract? yes or no.
if your answer is no, then why did we retain him in the first place?
my thoughts on flus... could he be a good head coach? the answer is yes but only if he would stay out of the way of his assistant coaches other than to guide them in the right or at least different direction without having any stipulations on the type of coordinators or what system they chose to run. this i 'may' be calling the defense is ludicrous.
lovie couldn't do it, can he?
I think we all view retaining Flus as a head-scratcher. But, as I think Stinger pointed out in another thread, Poles is unlike any GM we've had, he has a system and he sticks to it. He is consistent and I think Flus did just enough last season to let Poles stick to the 4-year rebuild and keep Flus around, at least in year 3. We just haven't seen this systematic approach from a GM and it seems to work around the league. So, yeah, I would have let Flus go, but I'm buying into Poles and I'm trusting his vision.
Flus has a 4 year contract (?) so definitely no, I wouldn't extend him now, but gotta see what year three of the Poles Flus rebuild will bring and revisit this after next season.
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11 minutes ago, Lucky Luciano said:
why even hire a DC if he is just a puppet for flus?
i seriously can't imagine this was the best most qualified hire given those restrictions. what DC worth a shite is going to put his name on that philosophy?
imDo, it's the coaching fraternity. Washington gets a image-projecting position for future hire. Flus can delegate SOME responsibilities on D and focus on other issues.
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38 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Here's a scouts take in Justin Fields
God, I hate indecision. Keep him, trade him, I guess, with our draft situation, there's really only win-win in any decision, unless. . . . You all know. LOL Gonna be fun/unnerving to wait till April to find out.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
I will say Getsy did not do Flus any favors. Either did Williams lol. If you had to place a percentage of blame on each coach and player for the losses, more blame would be on Getsy and Williams than anyone. The next person is probably Fields, but it's not because he didn't try or give it 110%. Getsy had terrible play calls, and when they were better calls, Fields missed the open guy.
My assumption is Fields is gone, and Waldron + [Insert QB Name] will look light years better than Getsy+Fields did in 2023. The team will have 10+ wins and Flus may even get some votes for CotY even though not much has changed.
For Fields, can you imagine if the team/offense starts our slow next season? There would be boos and calls for Bagent after the first INT or 3 and out. I just don't think that is good for Fields long term career. I think his camp is happy to move on and reset somewhere else where expectations won't be so high. That is why you are seeing social media posts of him working out already. I thought that was odd considering we know he is an athletic beast, I would've rather seen him throwing quick slants right when his backfoot hits in his dropback without a hitch.
I can agree with that. Listening to Waddle and Silvi yesterday, I came away confused again. I think I'm with the "trade the pick for a haul" camp and then they discuss rating the QBs of our division and guess who comes out last? Fields. Then they talk about "chasing greatness" and to be great, you gotta take a swing. So we have pick 1 and 9, when are we ever going to be in this position again? Take a QB at 1? Man, I'm gonna stop listening to Chicago radio or I'll be flipping every day. LOL
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1 hour ago, adam said:
Dallas has #24, #56, and #88, and no 4th rounder this year. To move from #24 to #1 is massive. Even if you consider Dak as a first round pick equivalent, it would take #24, #56, Dak, a 2025 1st, and a 2026 1st at a minimum. Probably another mid round pick in a future year too.
That might be too rich for a team that is already close.
But they already have a top draft pick in Trey Lance. . . .LOL
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
I think some people thinkt hat if we trade back this year, we will get next year's #1 overall again, and i think thats very unlikely.
What are the odds on that? Probably just a tad bit better than mine in the lottery. LOL
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21 minutes ago, Pixote said:
You know, at first I thought it might be a "tell" that they were interested in more info on Caleb, but then I realized that every team looking to draft their next "franchise QB" will be asking Kingsbury his opinions (along with Caleb's HC, Teammates, relatives, friends, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the teams had a background check run on him. By the time they finish, they will not only know what brand of toilet paper he prefers, but which hand he uses to wipe his ass with. LOL)
Wish Pace had done that with Mitch!! LOL
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3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
Did we get spoiled with last year's trade back?
Yes, we Bear fans definitely got spoiled given the Panthers' gifting us another no one choice this year.
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8 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
the last team that won the Super Bowl that way was Trent Dilfer?
Your analogy is for a monetary return. Your goal would be to safely increase the value of your portfolio with the lowest chance of bottoming out. So you're right about that for sure.
But if your goal is to be the best out of 32 teams, then I think the math works differently?Taking the QB at no one COULD work, Or COULDN'T. Trading and getting a ton now and then, if you have to, you can go after QB the next year with what you get in the trade. I'm agreeing with Jason on this.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
So Ryan Leaf reincarnated?
Sure hope not. But, if he plays like Peyton Manning I couldn't care less about his attitude. And lets face it, if Poles drafts him and he does ball out I really doubt the locker room will give a s#*t either.
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40 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
With the current alleged support for Fields in the locker room and they bring in a guy who is this way, could be a problem.
Oh yeah. And what I've seen Williams can be an aloof sob. That's just my o.
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
it depends. over competitive - great. cocky - cool. but selfishness can go two ways. If it meets adversity and manifests as "whatever" withdrawing like Jay Cutler did, then its a problem.
Im not saying thats Williams, but I am concerned and looking for more info.Yep. I saw many times that Rogers gave up, blamed everyone else in games and pouted on the sidelines. That is not what a leader dos.
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11 hours ago, AZ54 said:
This is a weird situation for me because I still think Fields is a top 15 QB in the league and will easily grow into a top 10 QB with the right talent around him. The options are Fields plus a bounty for trading down which could easily net the Bears a few more Pro Bowl caliber players. Assuming Poles continues to draft well, then the trade down scenario gets so much future talent it almost certainly sets this team up long term to be a perennial playoff contender.
Draft Williams and trade Fields also gets something but not nearly as high, plus carries risk of Williams flaming out. Williams has to be good enough to offset the talent gap of what we'd lose over the next 2 drafts. Some might say the rookie contract is enough to offset that with FAs.
Williams is almost certainly headed to Chicago for a pre-draft visit.
And that's the conundrum for Poles. Great problem to have, but gonna be nay-sayers either way. I just hope this offseason gets us over the hump and I can look forward to a solid winning team for a change.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
Is it cockiness, arrogance, or selfishness?
All three? And probably what you want in your QB, e.g. Rogers?
The Chicago Bears are on the clock! OFFSEASON OPEN THREAD!
in Bearstalk
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Trubisky, Fields, franchise history with QBs is about to change. Poles, with the Panthers' pick, hass set us up with a once-in-a-franchise opportunity. He has the first pick in a QB heavy draft, and he has the 9th pick as well. If poles thinks one of the QBs is even a smidge bit better than Fields, its a done deal and he'll take him. THAT is how you change the course of a team that struggles for mediocrity at the position. Tom Waddle said today that great QBs make the surrounding players better, but surrounding a so-so QB with more talent doesn't improve the team. I think Poles has the right plan.