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Listen dumbass...NOBODY KNOWS. However, there is Urlacher's side of it, and the team's side. Urlacher's side is supported by at least two other players: Melton and Hester. Both big enough stars to speak out and not worry about getting black-balled.
All three spoke the same story, and that story was that the team simply didn't negotiate.
One person and sour grapes? Sure. But THREE people? That's a trend. And it's likely the truth.
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Having said that, the comment I made earlier about Brian's distorted definition of loyalty stands.
I really dont understand your point on this, I dont think its a matter who's right or wrong. When its a players time to go, this is usually the result of it. He thinks he could still play, and the Bears dont see valve in him and his skill set. Players have egos and it is hard to let go. Brian was my favorite player but I seen his skills erode due to injuries and age. I dont look at football thru rose colored glasses. I a huge Bears fan and want the team the best it can be.I think it was Brians time to go, the rest of the NFL agreed with the Bears, so there is no conclusion to this argument. For me, Url is crying because of money. They made him an offer, and he could have played for one more year.(good or bad), but the whiny little bitch was insulted because they didnt offer him more money.He was a good football player and a good teammate but he sucked when it came to the fans.His loyalty is measured by money. Screw him.
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I sure would like racking up all them picks.
I've been doing some more reading up on Pryors cover skills and I'm coming around on him playing centerfield, which is what we'd need him to be. If it doesn't work out then maybe Huff can be that guy and Pryor becomes that Cam Chancelor type SS. That said, for what we need, I think I'd rather grab a guy like Ed Reynolds or Terrance Brooks.
I'd probably add a tackle in there at some point though. Britton might be brought back, but they still need a replacement for Scott as well. I can't really argue grabbing an OC, no one really knows what to think about Boggs, but I think I'd probably swap Bodine for a OT.
I like DAT but at his size I really think he's more of a #3 gadget type RB. If Forte goes down DAT isn't a guy you wanna rely on for 20+ carries a game....I still think Andre Brown makes a lot of sense in FA, but if we go to the draft a guy I really like is Marion Grice. He'll be taken around the 5-6 round.
I of course have been a supporter of Bostic, but with all these picks I can't hate on taking one.
Overall I like it though.
I think Ford is going to be a surprise as a backup this year and just added a 3rd backup for gadget plays. I think Thomas could also line up as a slot WR in some formations.
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I agree we need to add a WR but not that high. The first two are a must, but Thomas can be a backup RB and also play a slot WR so I think he can fill two roles.
Here is my shot at a post FAgency draft.
I did the Fanspeak thing but injected a trade.
we trade down with SF our first for an extra 2nd,3rd and 7th.
1st-Calvin Pryor/FS- because we need to upgrade the position.
2nd a-Stephen Tuitt/DT-DE- big and versatile in Emery's wheelhouse
2nd b-Stanley Jean-Baptiste/CB- a big CB to develop
3rd a- Christan Jones/MLB- good valve here in a need position
3rd b-Jimmy Garoppolo/QB- good prospect
4th- C.J. Fiedorowicz/TE- we add a backup for two TE sets
5th-DE'Anthony Thomas/RB- speed to a backup RB and a slot WR
6th-Russle Bodine.OC- someone to groom for Garza job
6ht-Marques Huff/-S- speed and productive player
7th-Ricardo Allen/CB- added depth
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Mine:
1) Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt - Really like Donald and don't really like many other DT prospects. Completes the transformation of the Bears' line.
**trade down in 2nd, pick up a 3rd**
2) Deone Buccannon, S, Washington State - Has the smarts and size to push to start immediately
3) Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss - Seems crazy, I know. Part of it is that I love Moncrief, who looks like Alshon 2.0 and isnt' getting nearly the attention he should. But I'd like some insurance behind Wilson and Hixon in case there's an injury to the WR corps.
4a) Arthur Lynch, TE, Georgia - Not much depth behind Bennett and Lynch's blocking can be a real asset.
4b) Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State - Wish he was bigger, but good cover skills to press for PT.
5) Tyler Larsen, C, Utah State - Time to start planning for life after Garza
6a) De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon - I just want to see what Trestman could do with him in the backfield, in the slot, wildcat, whatever.
6b) Jonathan Brown, LB, Illinois - After spending two relatively high picks on LB last year, I'd like to see how they progress before spending another high pick on a LB, but Brown is a nice versatile LB to have on the roster.
I agree we need to add a WR but not that high. The first two are a must, but Thomas can be a backup RB and also play a slot WR so I think he can fill two roles.
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This is my mock post the Allen signing.
DT, MLB, C, TE, SS, CB, FS.
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DT AARON DONALD
PITTSBURGH
51
ILB CHRISTIAN JONES
FLORIDA STATE
82
C TRAVIS SWANSON
ARKANSAS
117
TE C.J. FIEDOROWICZ
IOWA
156
S HAKEEM SMITH
LOUISVILLE
183
CB DONTAE JOHNSON
NORTH CAROLINA STATE
191
S JONATHAN DOWLING
WESTERN KENTUCKY
I like your names but think we need to grab a S higher to get a starter, dont think a 4th or 6th will end up starting and we need the upgrade.Baily was there when you took Swanson and I would have did that. I think he is underrated.
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I'm not sure who voted that the "collective" is 100% behind never calling out Url for saying silly stuff. In fact, I think the vote would lean in the other direction.
It's like any thread you don't like...don't comment and odds are it'll die off. If you comment, it fuels the fire.
Url made the comment...he hasn't moved on. Once he does, his detractors (in what he says) will too.
Anytime the Bears do something he will have something to say, we just react to stories because that is what blogs do. Your right,people say they dont want to talk about it and then make a comment. For me, he's a tool and anytime I can call him out I do.
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People tend to forget that SMC was, depending where you look, ranked anywhere between 22-31, and I believe both New England and Green Bay said he was gonna be their pick. The problem with the pick was that he was projected that high as OLB, not a DE.
So did he reach? Ya, a little bit, but I wouldn't call what he's done a major "flaw".
This is the third year and hopefully he becomes a productive player, if not, so far Emery has hit one and missed one. I like the other things he has done. Jeffery is a stud, I think Bostic will be a very good player, but what he has done in FAgency has been quite amazing IMO. He sees what we see and goes out and addresses it. Time will tell if he was right on all of this but he definitely needs to hit on at least 3 picks this year but of course we may not know that until a few years from now.
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Regarding Shea…Emery said he wouldn't consider the undersized guy for DE again as he did with SMC. He has said as much before in that undersized guys need to have elite athletic ability to overcome the gap. SMC is not elite but he is a good athlete.
I have not said so yet, but Tuitt's ability has always intrigued me based on the initial draft profiles I read in January. In some ways I've been surprised by the fact he seems to have fallen off the radar down toward the 2nd Rd. He seemed like a perfect fit for what Emery wants on our Dline now in terms of versatility. I understand the injury affected him during the season but I think he'd have been rising instead of falling as the draft workouts progressed if he were in shape now.
Back to what I said about SMC above: Emery feels undersized players need to be elite athletes if he's going to pick them. Aaron Donald is an elite athlete for the DT position. He'd be a DE if he had the length for the position otherwise his stats match up with the best DEs. He also has the character Emery wants. He belongs on that list.
He doesnt have the length but think the rest applies to him. Everybody thinks we will draft him if available, of which I would want but me think Emery will have a surprise for us. Maybe the surprise this time is -he takes who we thing he will draft.
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That is interesting. I'd add that most were shocked that we seemed to significantly reach for Shea, Kyle Long, and Jon Bostic. Shea and Long were projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round and Bostic 4th or 5th. Confirming what the article said, we drafted an undersized guy in Shea, and Emery said he would think twice about doing that again.
In two years Ermery has drafted, we've been surprised and he took guys who were not on our radar. We've mostly discussed the players the article mentions. Ebron, Mosely, Ha Ha, and Gilbert. The one interesting guy is Stephon Tuitt. He's fast and tall. Could we covet him over Donald & Jerrigan?
I think Truitt and Hageman fit that big long athletic players he covets. I think Donald would be a good choice but think Emery will surprise us probably by moving down and grabbing one of those two.
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I think we have done an excellent job upgrading our DEs. I look at it this way: For $14mil we had Julius Peppers. We cut him.
For $3mil (Allen 2014) + $2.66mil (Young) + $5mil (Houston) = $10.6mil we have two young and still improving players who are good, but not great, against both the run and pass. We added a speed rusher that is better than anything we had last year, or in any recent years.
That's one heck of a trade and is some damn good business by Emery IMO. Even if we were talking about the Peppers of two years ago I'd still make this deal. We're carrying $8mil in dead money (14 - 8 meant we had 6 to spend so we added 4 from Cutler's deal) but it's all worth it. Next year when that $8mil cap hit rolls off the books it goes right into Jared Allen's bank account, plus a little more to thank him for his patience (2015 cap hit $12.5mil).
Emery has a slew of young players and one savvy veteran in the locker room ready to compete for the 4th (and maybe 5th) DE position. With improved team culture and coaching if either Young or Houston take the next step and develop into 9-12 sacks/yr players then we're in very good shape for the next couple years.
Your so right, we threw darts at the position and will come out smelling like a good team because of it.
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This is an article that suggests what Emery might do in the draft. His traits he looks for. I think Hageman also fits that mold.
http://nflmocks.com/2014/03/29/chicago-bea...icks-nfl-draft/
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Young should provide Allen ample rest. I agree though, you can never have enough pass rushers, between Washington, Bass, and to a lesser extent Lane it sure would be nice if one of those guys really emerges.
Having a guy like Allen should help, as should Joe Kim(who I remain intrigued by).
There are going to be a lot of bodies gone at DE, I hope someone steps up and surprises us. You have Allen,Young, and Houston. I assume Bass takes the next step, and suspect if no one shakes out, we have Izzy playing the end/tackle spot left.
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I don't think Brian is necessarily speaking up for his brothers; if he is, he has, and always has, forgotten the fans who pay for his ridiculously luxurious lifestyle.
He is a man, not a boy, and if he cannot figure out how to behave within the Bears, and what it means, then I don't have much time for him.
The reason he has, and does, somewhat bother me is because he never had the character, or respect, for the Bears and the fans that he should have.
I saw Mr. Url at the Bears game at Wembley a year or two ago, he was arrogant and not pleasant at all.....he obviously did not wish to be there.
He forgets entirely how much money the Bears have paid him over the years...choosing instead to cry when they offer more than any other team was willing to and pout because it isn't enough.
I will never own a 54 jersey, and have no use for him.
Bye bye Url. when you figure out what it means to be a Bear, then I MIGHT be interested...in the meantime, F off!
And take your buddy Briggs with you; when we win the Super Bowl, Mr. Lamborghini drunken crash/liar can be absent too hopefully.
What he is doing is taking shots at the Bears every chance he gets. When his name pops up, there is always a reaction. It will come up again when he wishes to take a shot. What a whiny little bitch.
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Disregard my last post about blowing their load on Clemons.
Yes, I'd be game to bring back Manning, I think he'd be a big upgrade over Conte in coverage.
Lovie is gone so maybe he would be willings to come back. I think he has gas in the tank.
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I brought up Miller when talking about Mundy (he has him ranked as the 26th of 75 safeties)...Well now he's talking DEs...
#16 Jared Allen
Having signed with the Chicago Bears for 2014, Jared Allen could make a huge impact in helping rebuild a once great defense. Allen will join newcomers Willie Young and Lamarr Houston to give Chicago a solid, aggressive rotation at defensive end.
#10 Willie Young
Young isn’t well-known outside of the NFC North, but his physicality and the opportunity presented to him in Chicago give him the ability to launch himself onto the national radar in 2014.
#6 Lamarr Houston
One of the best all-around defensive ends in the game, Houston will be much more recognizable now that he’s signed with Chicago. As an ideal left defensive end, his impact against the run will be huge for the Bears defense
Gotta love what Phil did at DE
Matt is a smart guy, but many have stated the obvious that we did well in the DEs we have brought in.
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Let's go back in time. http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05...=blogs&_r=0
Let me ask, was Sayers wrong at critiquing the team in 2010 (not only Urlacher but specifically Cutler in this instance)? Surprisingly enough, Urlacher came to the defense of the team this time (and collaterally Cutler's - someone he did not get along with). Obviously his (Urlacher's) loyalty was outwardly to the team if not only appearing so to those of us outside looking in. But yet he speaks out now and it still raises the rankles of some. So what if he does? He works as a broadcaster/analyst. He's paid to analyze things that he knows, and three things he has direct knowledge of are football, Bears football and Bears football history. I agree with SCS in that who cares if he talks about it anymore? You (Connor) as a part of media fell into the 'trap' of scratching off the scab only to lend life to Ulracher's words.
Apparently he is not the only one with some thing to say about it, you addressed it.
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I of course agree. When Trestman came in here I read a lot of articles on the west coast offense, and make no mistake Trestman is running a WCO, and in nearly every article they noted that speed isn't an element needed.
The main component is precision route running, and from a quick google search I've seen multiple articles call Desean Jacksons route running poor and lazy. One article called him a one trick pony, and that trick is the go route. Again if the Bears want someone like Jackson they might as well save a ton of $$ and grab DHB or Jacoby Jones.
Jacoby Jones is not a FA.
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I see a lot of posts about a need for a speed WR to take the top off of the defense. I doubt the Bears go that route since the traditional west coast offense doesn't use a slot WR. That is why Earl Bennett was let go, he didn't line up in the slot once last year. Almost every play last season was with 2 WR's, MBennett and Britton.
If we add another receiving threat, that will be in the form of a TE or FB imo. Just pointing out again to the guys that don't think we will look at a TE that we may just be holding our cards tight for Ebron if Donald/Dix are gone.
I think in a Trestman offense he will add any weapon to the arsenal and make it work. You can throw quick passes to a fast guy as well as a tall guy.
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The Texans signed Clemons so I would say D. Manning will be getting cut. Any takers for a 31 year old Manning?
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Agreed. I still think Steve Smith would have been the better "#3 option" if they were going to go the FA route.
I have a tendency to agree with you on that.
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I get that he's a speed guy, which is something different, but IMO this would be no different than drafting a TE early. In a WCO that's all about "nickle and diming" teams to set up the deep pass I just don't think top notch speed is an element that is needed for the offense to really take off. It's not a no no though, and I wouldn't hate it at all.
The traditionalists won't like the whole gang affiliation thing either. He can obviously have a Marshall like resurrection though.
I'd rather spend the money on Chris Clemons.
In a Trestman offense I guarantee you they would design plays for him. Trestman uses the talent he has and is not defined by a specific system. Give him players and he will make it work.
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I'm not saying I wouldn't like it, I just don't see it happening. That quote from Emery pretty much solidifies my thought. I think he'll get every chance to win the MLB spot next year. Like I've said in the past, the way I see it is Bostic, SMC, and Williams are all competitng for 2 spots. Williams has done nothing to be handed the spot. That's just my opinion on the scenario.
Mosely also has injury concerns that are said to be "very very real".
IMO I think they think MLB is a need position. Williams is just a one and done. Bostic is being groomed to take over Briggs spot, a highly important spot in our defense. Briggs is a good football player but think he is a tool I would have no problem if they moved on with out him. I think Bostic will be a good player just dont see it at MLB.
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He's a stupid SOB but a talent. Don't think we need him here given our WRs.
His price will be to high, enough said.
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I think it's kind of a mixed bag. Sure, the money Hester and Urlacher were asking for was more than the Bears wanted to pay. That's understandable. But at the same time, there appears to have been no attempt at signing either player, or even making an effort at negotiation. Who's to say the loyalty Urlacher speaks of wouldn't have been returned if the Bears simply made a lower-middle ground offer? Same goes for Hester. What if Hester would have signed for less than $2M to remain a Bear? We'll never know because the team never even got to that point with him.
Having said all that, loyalty is DEFINITELY not "pay equal to or more than another team is offering just because a player has been with his team his whole career." That's just stupid. At a certain point the value of the player has to be considered.
First of all Emery and Trestman didnt ride his career, they owe him no loyalty. The Bears paid him and Hester both well, so the fact they bitched about the money made them the ones lacking loyalty. They were right about Urlacher, wasnt a very good player at the end of his career. The rest of the league agreed with them, no one offered him a contract. Football teams are like whore houses , they will take every ounce of worth out of you and when your not worth it , throw you out on the street. His time was over, and its as simple as that . We cant go back and say shoulda, coulda, woulda because he didnt play again. I think Hester will prove to be not worth what Atlanta paid for him, but they will play itself out. I have no problem letting go of old players, loved them when they played but realism always wins out, they get old, and this is not an old mans game.
Here is a point worth thinking about
in Bearstalk
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Spot on with that call.