Stinger226
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C'mon man, this is a message board, and that quote about trading all the picks was highlight by TD. Of course we're gonna respond to it.
I just called what he said silly, because no matter what the context of what he said about the picks is that is just that silly. I know he's not serious, he's being, well....silly.
Then Mad brought up trading him and I responded to that as well.....I'm not saying I'd trade him based solely on his comments, it's something I'd entertain regardless.
I'm just doin what I do, respond to posts.
Lets not forget Briggs was a whiny little bitch with his contract.The supposed defense leader, came back from his injury out of shape. Couldnt find him on the field. I would have no problem if we got rid of him. The Hester, Urlacher, I loved them guys, but time is always moving forward and I never liked Briggs. A good player, but I guarantee he will be whining about a new contract before the season is over.
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Nothing changes is you have the money. And they do...
No chance that's how low it goes. I think he'll get around 8M in year 1 but it'll increase every year after that which I don't think is a problem at all. Esp. when you factor in the cap going up another 7M next year and another 10 after that. PLUS the Bears cap number for next year right now is 82M. Nearly 60M under the cap. the 12M i suggested in year 2 is nothing.
I've never said anything about taking 10M out, I said 2, which isn't shit.
there not dipping into his contract for a measly 2 mil, I guarantee that . We will soon find out, your all in, I think the Bears are out with that contract.
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He'll have competition on the open market. Broncos don'r wanna pay Trindon Holiday 1.3M to come back despite him having 6 returns for TDs the last 2 years. Kinda tells you how much teams value returners if they don't wanna pay the dude a measly 1.3 mill.
I haven't got in on this convo because I'm not one for nostalgia...Though Jason did make a compelling argument on him being more than just nostalgic when he brought up his stats from this year.
Since Chris Williams was signed during the season I wonder if they saw enough of him in practice to know he's capable.
The good and bad,of Phil is he doesnt say anything and surprises us, the good it is very interesting.
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Michael Bennett set to test free agency: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000033...est-free-agency
If he doesn't go back to Seattle, Chicago seems like a logical destination with his brother's campaigning. Obviously money will be a factor, but if we cut Peppers, and with the increased cap, there should be money there this year to make a run at him.
The problem is teams like Jack and Oakland has tons of cap space and can smack a big number on him, if one team does we have lost our edge. $$$ comes first, I wish is wasnt true.
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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/03/06/dur...-agency-primer/
This had a lot of valid points in the article, I think he is right on with FAgency, we will be going after valve and quantity
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That of him moving to safety, was just one writer making the comment , and everybody and there son giving it life.
I dont know where to put this, but was reading where Peanut is not released by the doctors yet and for new teams will come into play with how much money he gets. That could keep the price down and put us back in play.
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I know what your point is but you also just contradicted it by saying we need to look at more than one thing.
That list is filled with studs and Hughes who had 10 sacks in 228 less snaps than Hardy. Again all that list is is about percentages.
I kinda look at sacks as a home run. Adam Dunn was 4th in the league in home runs last year yet over half the fan base wants him gone. Sacks and home runs are both sexy stats but I'll take the guy who gets on base more or gets disrupts the QB more.
While Greg Hardy may have more "home runs" than Bennett and Hughes, the last 2 got on base more consistently when they had playing time.
I get all that, I was just using the sack as a point of combined views of players, I dont think it is the only measuring stick. It is just most great DEs we look back on were big is sacks.All the other stuff matters, but Hughes is at the top of that stat, an is a backup, just no big deal. M. Willams is why he has elevated stats.
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I don't understand the urgency to move Tillman to safety. He was playing at a pro bowl level before the injury. You move a guy to safety because of his declining skills. This was not evident last year. He's just as likely to get injured playing safety as cornerback.
I think he'd be a great safety. But he was playing great at cornerback last year also. And we still need a starting cornerback . . .
That of him moving to safety, was just one writer making the comment , and everybody and there son giving it life.
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The scenario that is being presented means that there is a run on other positions prior to the 14th pick. WTBS it would have to be DB(CB or S).Leaving the top WR and the top 2 rated LBs on the board would give the Bears great bargaining power but I don't know if you can pass up a talent like Watkins at 14 unless your getting a number one and a 2nd.
I think if any of those players on are on board, we could have a couple of teams running up the ante to gain that slot. That would be great, but wouldnt want to drop more that 10 spots. I think one of Ealy,Donald,or Hageman could still be there at that spot. I am starting to think Hageman could be a target, with his athleticism. Someone Phil could get behind.
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He was scheduled to make 10 million this year. How much of a pay cut would he take? It is rumored he may be heading to Atlanta.
I say sign him for the vet minimum
I think we will bring in our own guys over 30 that we are more familiar with , but Phil wants to get younger I got a feeling most FAs are going to be under 30.
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If the Mathews or Robinson are there then it's a no brainer…draft them. LT2 once said you only get elite LT one way and that is you draft them. Can't pass on one at #14.
Watkins I'd take as well and put him in the slot for now. His quickness and acceleration is unreal and he can go up and get the ball wherever it is. Cover him with your NB while your safeties are worried over the top about Jeffrey or Marshall, or leave them in single coverage on the outside. Either way is fine by me.
Evans I'm not as high on and I'd probably take Donald over him.
Barr or Mack….I think here again I prefer the inside presence of Donald or Jernigan. Mack is much more fluid rushing the passer than SMC but he's still not a 4-3 DE and that's a problem.
I agree, the QBs are out, Barr and Mack are closer to our slot, we can justify a better fit in our defense but I think everybody else is in play.
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agreed! Same thing for Peppers,take a pay cut or take a hike.
I usually only notice you around during this time of year. This a big time of year, I am interested in, but you need to pop in more, you have good insight in matters all Bears.
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Well I guess we'll see. Again, I think we're in a similar situation with the front 4 as we were with WR in Phils first year. Phil addressed it by going out and trading for Marshall and traded up to get his guy Jeffery in the draft. Neither were free agent deals but he still had to open the check book for Marshall.
Could also bring up the Cutler deal this year.....I don't think Phils afraid to open the checkbook,
what was different from your situation with the WRs is we now have a huge contract with Cutler, and changes their perspective on spending money.
I still think we try to get Bennett, but if we can get him for 4 year 34 mil. were in play; if its the contract you suggested-no way.
We are 5 days away from seeing what happens.
The Cutler deal gives us flexibility,I just dont think the plan is to structure it that way and then take 10 out of it the first year to pay the difference that Bennett may bring.
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I absolutely agree with the bold statement, and that's exactly what I'm doing.....You apparently don't though since all you're looking at is sack numbers, so where's you're logic?
My point for the last time is all the very good and great DEs are usually judged by there yearly sack total, I know that is only one primer I am just saying the stats you showed is just one to judge by. By some of the names on your list will probably never repeat those stats. Perfect example all the talk is how good Hardy is because of his sack total, he is 10th on your list. We both know he carries other skills, Hughes is rarely ever mentioned any where.
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This is what we have been reduced to, debating whether a special teams only player is worth keeping at an above vet minimum salary. Hester has done some great things for this team and the league including being the first player to return the opening kick in the SB for a TD but if the Bears can tell Urlacher take it or leave it and Charles Tillman can be allowed to test FA without a deal why should Hester be thought of in a better mannner than those two? This team needs to spend money on rebuilding the defense with younger and better players and over paying a kick returner only wouldn't help. As bad as the special teams was last season, the only guys that deserve to comeback are Gould and Mannely. That means Weems and the whole bunch should have to fight for jobs on this team.
He is gone no matter what our opinions are, I think we can find someone, who can be our 3 RB or 4 WR or a backup DB that can be good, were never going to find someone as good as Hester in his prime, but he's not in his prime anymore. I think he has some gas left in the tank, but you dont pay players for past performance, you guess when he's done being effective and go from there. The Bears think its time to move on, the brass running the team owe him nothing. He got paid, for being a great KR, but that was yesterday and yesterday is gone.
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I edited the original post, I think he and Lane just battle for a spot on the team. Would love for one of them, Bass, or Washington to surprise me and be more than just depth.
He did have that one good year in Oakland awhile back with 40 somethin tackles and 7 sacks so who knows.
Hope he's put on a little weight since 2008 because ya 256 is a little undersized.
I heard 260, so not much bigger. They are bringing in a bunch of cheap guys and see if they find a gem and the rest will hit the road on no guaranteed money deals.
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That is a great deal, I was figuring closer to 3 since this will most likely be his last pay day.
If he stays healthy that will be a bargain price, if he isnt on the field alot, not a great risk with 4 mil.
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Everyone hear knows I'm a bit advocate of trench warfare considering my multi-year OL rant. On defense, however, I don't believe it's the same.
On offense, if the QB loses efficacy, the entire offense dies. So there is a premium on protecting the QB with a good OL.
On defense, there is no single player being defended behind the DL. It's entirely possible to have average players on the DL with a superior 2nd and 3rd level, and have great success. Upgrading the safeties allows the CBs to gamble more, which changes the timing on passing plays, which allows for the subpar DL to create more pressure/sacks. I believe a team with Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed in their prime would have so many crazy advantages in terms of play recognition and range that the defense could effectively send 6, if not 7, at the QB on just about every play, especially if you team them up with above average CBs like Peanut and Jennings.
IMO, you have to have one stud on the line, one stud LBer and a saftey and CB that have there shit together. Then and only then can you fill the rest of the defense with average players.
Example-Seattle 1-very good LB-1 excellent S-1-excellent CB, and a DL with a lot of good players. Talent wins out if you want top 10 type of D.
Your a very smart guy but if you think you can be all mediocre up front, you dont have a very good D.
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Brad Biggs is full of shit half the time he speaks as well.. Dan Pompei is the worst. I'm just going to wait and see what happens this year. I'd love for the Bears to sign both safeties this off-season and shore up the back end of the D in free agency. Then we can focus on the D-Line/CB positions in the draft.
I think he is full of information and is right most of the time, enlighten us with who you think is spot on for information? Other than you, I cant think of anybody else that is right all the time.
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The stat is all relative to percentages. Let me try to simplify this a bit.
Hardy played 806 snaps that's 50 snaps a game. Hughes played 228 less snaps, so it's kinda like Hardy played in 4 and half more games right? Well looking at Hughes game log there was a 4 game span where he had 5 sacks. If he duplicates that then BOOM they have the same amount of sacks. And I'm just looking at sacks here because that's what you're saying makes you elite.
It should be pretty easy to comprehend.
I know you said you're a Sox fan, so you apparently follow a little baseball. Are you familiar with sabermetrics? What PFF does is pretty much the sabermetrics of the NFL.
If you don't know what sabermetrics is, have you seen the movie Moneyball? That's basically what that movie is about.
Of course I do, and understand the valve, but what would PFF have said of Anderson/DE his rookie year here? He had one good year, where is he now?
I think a person needs to look at many things to judge players, Hughes might have did better with more snaps, but he didnt play them and we can only assume the results.He might have did nothing with them, we simply cant make things exist when the reality is actually different.
As far as the WS, only went to one game last year, plan on several this year with a injection of something new.
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I absolutely believe Hester is not worth any more than the vet minimum. I believe it is time to move on.
Peace
He gave us a lot of great moments, but he is not the same player. I think he is worth keeping around for a min. deal but honestly we need someone that can be more than be just a returner.
That goes for Weems too, we can il afford to keep specialty players, we have to have a kicker, punter, LS, but we really needs players that serve more than one purpose with such a screwed up roster.
He made me a lot of money when he was 35-1 odds for (first to score) in the Super Bowl,for that I thank him, but I think it is time to move on.
Somebody said this and it bears repeating"Its better to let a player go one year early than I year to late"
I AGREE
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Jerry Hughes had a a really good year. If you wanna look at sacks instead of pressures, Hughes had 10 sacks in 578 snaps, whereas Greg Hardy who you might call elite because his 15 sacks were 3rd in the league, played 806 snaps. Had they played the same amount of snaps Hughes could be right up there with him.
Who do you think lead the team in pressures?
In a recent Biggs article he said Peppers only had 15.
I dont think Hughes is the best DE because his name was first is your stat category, that shows exactly what Im saying about all the stats that pop up. He didnt thou, so it is all speculation.
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But..but... Brad Biggs thinks we'll be in on Bennett/Johnson/Houston....=p just messin with you.
They'd have the money but that's not where they need to invest. Should be BS
I wasnt agreeing with it just tried to show on one person suggests something and another person considers it a fact.
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When was that? Weems didn't make many plays at all, and of those very few were impact plays. Hester's big plays this year were significantly larger than anything Weems has done his entire career.
I was trying to be sarcastic.I dont think Weems is worth 1.25
Hester gone
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I agree, find someone that can make other contributions.