Did anyone pick up on something I missed? I didn't hear a definitive answer on that process.

 

From the presser, I took away this.

-They wouldn't rule out hiring a Coach first

-When asked who would hire the GM and Coach, George and Teddy committed to final say on the GM but no mention of the coach

-Multiple times, they commented on Accorsi being hired through the process of finding a GM and a coach

-The specifically mentioned that half a dozen representatives for coaches had contacted them, and they add to the list once it's sorted out

 

I don't know if the Bears are going to relegate to a GM the ability to hire the new coach.

Lets say Harbaugh called them. He wants his guy as the GM, actually I heard a name I cant remember now he is aligned with. So they hire Harbaugh and his guy tags along.

Im sorry but i was excited before the presser, now Im back to where I was before they fired Emery and trestman(i do think anyone will be better than Trestman)...... George McCaskey should be hiring a Head of Football Operations.

 

 

They should not be making the decision on who the GM will be. They also said they would consider a HC who would be the GM.....are they out of their minds????

 

 

Same shit different day............

Ernie has game and is in the room. They didnt hire him as a figure head, his advice will be taken, it is totally different. George has accepted responsibility and let the games begin.

no it is not totally different.

 

while i agree that accorsi 'sounds' like a very good person to sift through the talent, the bottom line is still the same as it was 3 years ago and 13 years ago. the person deciding to hire WHO accorsi puts on the list is the same one who hired angelo and emery.

 

now you say that it's different because they will stay out of the football side of the equation involving coaches and player personnel and leave it to the GM. ok, that means they don't consider themselves capable of doing so don't you agree? YET... they consider themselves capable of choosing or HIRING the guy that makes these decisions???? that defies logic unless the list provided by accorsi consists of one person!!

 

(if they had ANY input who to hire as a HC with emery, that means they PASSED on ariens to get trestman who must have been on a list of candidates. and why did ariens tell them to take a hike? because phillips, george or emery wanted to force marinelli on him. so it's obvious they couldn't choose the correct person to hire for the right reasons from a LIST of candidates. so, what makes you think choosing a GM from a list would be different?).

my HOPE: if connorbear is correct (and i hope he is) that a president of football operations to oversee the entire franchise including GM may be made in the near future. if not then what really is the difference from the past?

 

there are very, very important reasons why we need one for this franchise.

It is totally different, they made the decision before and screwed it up, Ted is in the room but will absolutely have no say. George was just being nice. Virginia is "pissed off", guantite at 91 she doesnt want this jacked up again. Sure George is going to say he has final say, he didnt bring in Ernie for looks. He will be told who to hire then he will decide that is the right choice. Nothing like this has been done before, the franchise has been embarrassed the the last two years and shit hit the fan, no matter what it cost them. Its totally different , the back network has been pissed since the Green Bay game. They may not hire the right people but it wont be cause the PR firm got it wrong, George has accepted the responsibility going forward. It might look the same but not even close.

Who can be cut without detriment to the team? I don't give a damn if it's half the team, to be quite honest. I think Jared Allen is untouchable because of the money, but who else falls into that boat? The only players on defense who I want kept are cheap, good, or financial obligations. But I don't have a real interest in any except Jennings, Peanut, Fuller, Jones, Jennings, Young, and Paea.

I am with you lock step.

ON such a happy day, I dont want to throw in the insane possibility he could be our next HC.

Just kidding

Did Kromer have another position on the staff other than OC that would warrant his own announcement like Asst. HC?

ON such a happy day, I dont want to throw in the insane possibility he could be our next HC.

 

Ugh that's nasty.

I dont think its really going to matter, this is a minimal 2 year if not 3 year fix. When we get some draft picks that matter and some of the big money free agents are done, then we can worry about the schedule. Let me repeat next year is a wash, nobody is going to come in here and work a miracle with this roster.

I still think Lovie made all the 1st picks when he was here

After he got his big contract he had to much power and helped screw up the draft after the super bowl year.

Shanny as our HC or President ?

I guess as a GM but have final say on personal, let the coach hire his own assistants.

I agree, get the best coach we can roster be dammed, get a guy in here who can get the most out of our team not our over paid turnover machine of a QB. Jay is what he is and he is what he always has been, tons of raw tallent and ability, but will never be more than potential. Sure our offense did not play to his strengths but we've seen McCown and even Clausen.... even Jimmy freaking Clausen looked competent running the offense given rarely playing. I feel like if we base who we hire on who we think can get the most out of Jay? We've seen that movie it bombed at the box office. If the Bears decide based on Jay they are handcuffing our search efforts to someone who can sell the McCaskey's that they can fix Jay and get he most out of him. The Bears have tried to build an offense around him and it's just not working. We need to search for the best coach we can find and and he should take the roster as is and work with the GM (if it's Emery or someone new) and decide who he want to keep around and who to get rid of.

 

As many others here I'm sick of this once proud franchise doing some of the most idiotic things when it comes to hiring coaches, and GM's We've tied GM's hands by saying you you've got full control but you will keep the coaching staff currently in place at least one year, to hiring assistant coaches without a Head coach in place or without his say, tying GM or coaches hands on player personel decisions, etc. An earlier topic talked about structure and at any given time it's hard to know which inmate is running this asylum.

 

Point is George needs to have the stones to do what is needed to evaluate this team from ownership right down to water boy. He needs to go through and rebuild the structure with a competent chain of command. If that means get rid of Phillips, Emery, and Trestman's staff and replacing them with a football guy as team president, a proven GM, and a proven coach. And all the people have the authority and power of decision commensurate with their positions. IE coaches answer to head coach, head coach answers to the GM, GM answers to the management. George has some big decisions to make this coming off season, he had the duty of trying to right this ship and get us back on course to return to being the proud franchise that us Bears fans fondly remember.

We need someone whoever it is that has a presence in the locker room, make people be responsible for there actions. A strong personality. Ditka like, but hopefully not as insane.

De La Puenta will be a FA. But they need to re-sign him also.

your right my bad

Whoever it is, it will be fun to watch the reaction with the NFL Draft in Chicago this year.

Hopefully Emery is gone, I prefer someone else making the picks.

Watching Countdown, Tom Jackson and Ditka endorsed Trestman. Ditka stated, "Can't win with Cutler". Not new news, but damn...

I loved Ditka when he was here,but he has turned into a bubbling idiot. He supported Ray Rice, Peterson, and says some of the stupidous comments in football today.

I never get the dislike for Ted Philips. The guy runs franchise for the owners but has no day-to-day football operations oversight. I really don't care who he gets to run the concessions at Soldier Field, or what he charges for parking, or who advertises with the team. If it's hate because he signed Emery as GM after Angelo? I guess I get that but we weren't always a horrible team under JA and Lovie. We did got to a Superbowl.

 

Then again, I'm not as down on Emery as everyone else is. I see him bringing in two Pro Bowl WRs when we hadn't had one in a decade. Pro Bowl OG. Re-signing a Pro Bowl RB. First draft sucked but the last two I see starters (Fuller, Long, Bostic, Mills?); future starters or at least solid rotation players (Ferguson, Sutton, Wilson); and a few that look like they'll be decent backups (Greene, Carey, and Washington, and maybe Leno). Don't see much from Fales or Vereen down the road. In the last two drafts I think our depth has improved but it's all very young and inexperienced. Free Agency hasn't been all bad either: Slausson, Bushrod, Young, Martellus, McCown, DLP, Ola, UDFAs -- Al Louis-Jean and Christian Jones. Houston is not looking so good right now, neither is Allen but Allen has played well just not great and not up to the contract we signed him to.

 

So, as I see it, all roads of hatred lead back to Cutler and his contract. Philips approved it (I don't think he was involved other than to say how much cash on hand we had). Emery devised it. Trestman supported it. Trestman and coaches went behind Cutler's back to complain about him and here we are today. There is a clear disconnect though between GM and coaches regarding Cutler so something, or everything, is going to give.

 

I'm patiently waiting for the show to begin and I agree, it could reach all levels. I'm on board with Rex Ryan as HC. If nothing else I'll get to smile when I watch his press conferences. I'd be very interested in who he wants to bring in as OC. He has the clout to bring in a big name too IMO. I still like Todd Bowles too. I'm not sure he's ready but word is he's going to get a few phone calls this offseason so it's probably this year or next he gets a shot at HC.

I think we need to hire Shanahan as our chief, and have him hire a defensive minded coach. Bowles, Ryan or Del Rio would do me just fine.

I never get the dislike for Ted Philips. The guy runs franchise for the owners but has no day-to-day football operations oversight. I really don't care who he gets to run the concessions at Soldier Field, or what he charges for parking, or who advertises with the team. If it's hate because he signed Emery as GM after Angelo? I guess I get that but we weren't always a horrible team under JA and Lovie. We did got to a Superbowl.

 

Then again, I'm not as down on Emery as everyone else is. I see him bringing in two Pro Bowl WRs when we hadn't had one in a decade. Pro Bowl OG. Re-signing a Pro Bowl RB. First draft sucked but the last two I see starters (Fuller, Long, Bostic, Mills?); future starters or at least solid rotation players (Ferguson, Sutton, Wilson); and a few that look like they'll be decent backups (Greene, Carey, and Washington, and maybe Leno). Don't see much from Fales or Vereen down the road. In the last two drafts I think our depth has improved but it's all very young and inexperienced. Free Agency hasn't been all bad either: Slausson, Bushrod, Young, Martellus, McCown, DLP, Ola, UDFAs -- Al Louis-Jean and Christian Jones. Houston is not looking so good right now, neither is Allen but Allen has played well just not great and not up to the contract we signed him to.

 

So, as I see it, all roads of hatred lead back to Cutler and his contract. Philips approved it (I don't think he was involved other than to say how much cash on hand we had). Emery devised it. Trestman supported it. Trestman and coaches went behind Cutler's back to complain about him and here we are today. There is a clear disconnect though between GM and coaches regarding Cutler so something, or everything, is going to give.

 

I'm patiently waiting for the show to begin and I agree, it could reach all levels. I'm on board with Rex Ryan as HC. If nothing else I'll get to smile when I watch his press conferences. I'd be very interested in who he wants to bring in as OC. He has the clout to bring in a big name too IMO. I still like Todd Bowles too. I'm not sure he's ready but word is he's going to get a few phone calls this offseason so it's probably this year or next he gets a shot at HC.

Phillips can keep his job as an account but have no say so on hires. The reason I want Emery gone is not his drafts but him choosing Trestman over Airians, paying Cutler, Marshall, Allen. Those 3 are guaranteed 38.5 mil. for next year. He has made some franchise killing decisions for the next few years. He hit on a few draft picks but has more bad that good.

Agreed, and he brings good leadership the teams needs right now, plus he can play guard if there's an injury. I just hope they really make it a competition for his spot.

his leadership this year doesnt appear to have an effect on a lousy team. He needs to be gone, De La Puente is in place to take over, 5 years younger and already signed for next year.

Balta made a good post over on soxtalk about how the Garza signing could just be them using up money left on this years cap so it really could be insignificant when it comes to next year

having everybody gone is only the first step, getting it right going forward is the key.

I think Shanny would be perfect for this team IF they wanna stick with an offensive minded head coach.

 

Everyone wants this team to run the ball more, a Shanny lead team will do that.

 

His teams success in the run game came large in part to his zone blocking scheme, Bears OL already implements one.

 

If Jay is our QB next year I see zero problem with having a guy as the head coach who was able to get something solid out of him. Not sure how that equals catering to him.

 

All that said I want a defensive minded guy to come in here and fix the D. Todd Bowles is the guy I'm lookin at.

 

Bowles, had a lot of guys get hurt this year and his D is still phenomenal.

I think Shanahan could come in an over see operations and hire a defensive head coach, Bowles is the first name to come to mind, then I would have to throw in Del Rio would be next on my list. He has previous experience some success and being in Denver may have given him a perspective on the balance of good defense and good offense.

Lovie didn't have the history of Austin when he was brought in. Named coaches are good for rebuilding, but most coaches don't succeed on their second or third run.

 

Arians is the coach ppl name that should have been brought in over Trestman. He was successful with one of the best QBs in the league in Indy Austin was also an interm coach and went 2-1 when he was with a team that fired their coach before.

 

3 Super Bowl experience as a position coach and turned around a D that we have seen break down when it matters. Detriots O sucks, their D is why they were in the playoffs and why he is a great candidate.

It was Bowles that runs the defense not taking away Arians present as a leader. Lovie was never a head coach before so if someone wants head coaching experience, that doesnt compare.

I had an interesting conversation from a person that spent some time with the team. I'm not naming my source, but...

 

On Trestman: Knows offense like crazy. Runs an ultra soft camp. Players were actually lobbying to hit more. Some pleading to the staff that they needed contact. Practices lacked intensity. Offense completely dominated the defense.

 

On talent: Cutler is a stud. Of all the QB's he's played with, Cutler was the best at running practice and making sure players were in the right position and accountable. Quoted, "dude is misunderstood", "good teammate", "leader I would follow", "hard worker".

 

Marshall, Bennett, Jeffery and Forte are talented in that order. We all know about Marshall, but it was said that Bennett is a beast. Probably the 2nd best "all around" TE in football.

 

Eric Weems: Team misses him. Held ST together

 

Hester: Team scratching head. They all knew how good he still is. TeamlLost some heart when he left.

 

Peppers: Team understood the math, but see Hester.

 

Briggs: No comment

 

Conte: Softest safety he's seen. Doesn't like contact. Fast with good instincts in passing game, but...

 

Vereen: Clueless with no instincts. Doesn't understand how he was 3rd rounder. Didn't even game plan against him when he was at U of Minnesota.

 

The team has good individual talent but lacks direction. Again, stated Trestman was a good offensive coach and the O destroyed the D.

 

All said, I'm wondering if our D was so bad that the offense had nothing to work against. Remember how they used to say our defense made our offense better? Haven't heard that this year from anyone.

So diod he park cars or was the washroom attend. Nothing you stated was a suprise.

Saddest part is the sign that Emery is returning. That guy has not place in a front office.

I agree, that had to come from Emery. We have a younger guy in place in De La Peunte, this is just so Bears of the current regime. Lame Lame Lame

Alright everyone, let predict who goes...

I say all the coaching staff and emery. Emery has to go... He obviously missed on his first rd pick on his first draft. He completely over-paid for citlers contract when he could have used the franchise tag ( which has been brought up numerous times). He brought in some complete busts on the defensive side of the ball the last two yrs. He tends to get cute with his draft picks and acts as if he is out smarting everyone when really he's only out smarting himself. Most of all the fact that arians and mccoy are doing decent this yr and they were the two he passed up. Not to mention the ridiculously stupid things he put the coaches through when interviewing them... how can all of this be ignored when he isn't even 4 years in?

I think they clean house on all the coaches, and bring someone in to insert to over see football operations and keep Emery in a lesser power role. I prefer him gone, but probably wont happen. I think to key to all of this is to strike right away an hour after the game is over with. It they pussy foot around like usually the same kind of crap will happen again.

Some people are ready to see Cutler back next year. That's fine, everyone is welcome to their own opinion. I just want to understand how you come to this conclusion. Convince me on why Jay Cutler should be the Chicago Bears QB in 2015.

 

I don't want stats. I don't want contract details. I don't want physical traits like a strong arm. I don't care about relationships with players. I don't want to hear about quarterback carousels or potential replacements. I want to know where he excels to you.

 

What are the positive aspects you see in Jay Cutler's play? What, in your eyes, does he do on the field that separates him from average quarterback? What actual parts of his on field play makes you think that he is the guy?

 

Help me understand where you are coming from. I'm talking along the lines of ball placement, reading defense, making progressions, mechanics, decision making, being clutch and so on.

I simply want someone running the football aspect of the Bears to make that decision, has to be new voices. There is not any options that could be better than Cutler, if the new football czar chooses to keep him around for one more year while we completely change the dynamic of this once proud franchise. Im all in on completely redoing everything, but that may not be the best way to do ala the new czsars decision to make not mine.

Thank you Lance. Not for the past 2 years, but for every before that.

I agree with that, he has sucked the last two years, had some good years, but kind of a pud outside of football, still a Bear to have memories with.

Trestman is such an idiot. Play the damn kid, you don't want to win this game!

 

Hopefully Cutler is still shell shocked and throws up a couple more INT's to Harrison Smith.. I believe they are 7 point favorites if I'm not mistaken. So at least we have that going for us.

 

As mentioned before, if we win, the best case scenario is still for New Orleans to win against Tampa (which should happen), Atlanta to beat Carolina, and the Giants to beat Philly. I think the odds are in our favor that at least 1 of the 3 will happen, and my guess is 2 of them will. If that's the case, the Bears would be drafting #9.

Why would Trestman care, he knows he's gone. The worst case scenario for this awful year is Cut;er throws for 4 tds, 330 yards and gets hurt on the last play of the game but we still win. thusly going from #7 to #12 in the draft.