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I found this article and thought it worth posting. The Bears have been very quiet regarding FA and with their recent contracts have put us in a spot with no cap room. There is no way that is the long term plan so much will be happening behind the scenes starting, as the article states, at the NFL Scouting Combine.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-NF...works-2784.html
Good insight in that article. It seems to me this Bears regime seems to be more secure with there information as previous heads. They have surprised us with there picks the last two years, some good some bad, but they sure do make it interesting to watch.
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On that I agree except I enjoy researching beyond even the top 100 prospects. There are always players in the top 32 or top 100 I like and dislike. Then on draft day there is always the Bears with their "who" draft pick. Ultimately it's the process of sorting out the talent pool that I enjoy along with seeing how they end up performing once they are in the league. The mock drafts just give me an idea where people think players talent fits into the mix along with some insight into team's needs and draft tendencies (i.e. Raiders' Al Davis liked tall fast WRs even if they can't run routes or catch that well).
I enjoy the draft and all that it brings in the off season and I have less to do. I too like to find who I think are good prospects and who the Bears need.
Start by one player I have taken to is Bucannon/S/Wash St I have looked at everything I could find out about him. He seems to have football instincts, physical, and was a productive player in college. He goes anywhere
from upper second to lower 3rd. If we could grab him in the third, I would be elated. Presuming we dont go with HaHa or Pryor as a first round pick.
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This board is not for political discussions but I have to say it is absolutely ridiculous, and really an ignorant statement, to associate the racial bias blacks fought through to how gays are treated today.
You always seem to say the right thing. I agree with on your comments. I guess someone may not know (when is the right time) but maybe he thinks transparency is a good thing before entering the next step in his life. He will get attention from this and maybe his agent suggested this to create a buzz with him. I think if he does well at the combine, he will be drafted at about the same spot he would have anyways. Its hard to put yourself in someone elses shoes, so I wont try. The NFL is just a meat market anyways, it takes on a different light in his case.
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I do as well, but the absolute need to go with 1 in the first is no longer there.
thats why I think Emery will be putting us in the position to grab the BPA scenario.
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Uhh, the hells the bold comment supposed to mean lol.....You went from saying I'm smarter than Mel Kiper, I don't think I am, but thanks, to bashing me lol.
Interesting take AZ. People over on soxtalk are calling it a courageous move. I don't think it's necessarily a "Look at me" I'm selfish type of move, esp since chances are it's a move that's gonna hurt him in the long run.
I also don't buy into the whole sideshow derailing the chance of a teams success angle. Hell, look at the sideshow Sherman created with his comments after the NFC Championship game. Did that derail Seattle?
At the end of the day if the guys good, the guys good. The media should have no bearings in how a team performs.
I have a sarcastic sense of humor,I think Kiper is all fluff. He has interesting things to say sometimes, but is rarely right on predictions.
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I think we have one fairly good size contract in the offseason but the rest will be lower profile choices.
I think we bring back Wooten but still need one.
I think the one big one will be a DE along with the cutting of Peppers, this is highly probably.
Choices: M. Bennett,L. Houston,M. Johnson, Hardy,Orakpo.
I think Hardy and Orakpo will cost too much but we have a shot at the other 3.
So I think Bennett and Houston will be the targets.
Lower profile targets:
Willie Young/DE/formally Detroit
Mike Neal/DE/GB
Everett/DE/Minn
I like Willie Young, a up and comer
Others I like: C. McDonald/DT/Sea----very solid player
P. Sims/DT/Oak----------has decent upside
T. Cody/DT/Balt----------if past his injuries could be a very good player
D. Bishop/MLB/Minn------ a good player
E. Henderson/MLB/Min----has some off field issues but can play
D.J Williams/MLB/----------I think they probably bring him back on a prove it contract
T. Brown/CB/SF-------------He can play but lost his job to Brock
C. Grahman/CB/Bal--------Still under 30 and is a decent starter type.
S. Brown/S/NYG------------Had injuries last year but is a young good player
H.Abdullah/S/Chiefs.........the kid can play
I think we can add some good upgrades without spending big money. Hope we can get a few of those listed.
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As you can see by my previous post, if we bring back/in the guys you suggest (I see all 4 starters FA DE-Melton-Ratliff or Paea-Wootton) then waiting is fine by me.
Even if they bring back those I mentioned, I still then we inject some youth at the line and still draft a DT and DE in the first 4 rounds.
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I prefer to work with people who want to judged based solely on their performance, not on what they are. My concern is why he feels he must seek out the public spotlight for something so trivial. I think the same about guys like Chris Johnson who is so flamboyant with all his women. He didn't impress me at the draft the day he was chosen and I think despite his talent that focus has hindered him. Maybe it has maybe it hasn't, just giving my opinion.
It's a point where the individual is making it more about them than about football and the team. Now if this guys falls in the draft it will be all about how he was discriminated against instead of people evaluating his abilities against other players. If he gets cut it will be discrimination. If he wants to bring this into the locker room with the media I don't want the distraction.
I agree where ever he lands he will be a sideshow. People are who there are and what ever makes them happy so be it. Im sure the NFL will accept him. Hell we accept SCS everyday.
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Gonna need to bring back a lot more than Izzy to avoid going DL early.
We all have our opinions here, and I'm gonna hold on to mine, DL or bust in the first....Me and my boy Mel Kiper know whats up lol.
Actually I think your smarter than Kiper, he has more charisma thou. I think we bring back Melton, Wooten, and Ratcilff, so its not as dire as you might state. Plus I think our one big FA acquisition will be a DE.
So I am also for the best Defensive player, even if its not a DT or DE.
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Call it what you will, but I agree with Mel Kiper.
Now maybe if we only have 1 hole to plug on the DL then I'm ok with waiting till the 2nd to draft that guy....But if we have multiple spots to fill on the DL I think it'd be a mistake not to grab a guy in the first.....What happens when there's a run on DL in the 2nd or 3rd and because of the lack of depth we're stuck with rotational players starting????
Looking at the 13 teams ahead of us there are a lot of teams that are gonna go offense, so we should have a pretty good crop of defensive talent to choose from. They won't have to reach to take a DL piece, the guys they have to choose from will be all ranked about the same.
I agree with you to a point. If there is a LB,S, and DL all rated together probably have to draft DL. What if Jake Mathews (top 3 player) drops in our lap at 14?An all pro type for the next 10 years would be hard to pass up. I think we should take the highest rated Defensive player on the board. Other than Clowney, Barr, and Mack we should get the pick of the litter. What we need is an impact player, if thats Ealy, Ha Ha, Donald, or Mosley, who they identify as that person is the one it needs to be. Also, we need some defensive leaders on the team, so that probably would be Ha Ha or Mosley, and wouldnt have any problem with either one of them. Nix is rated high on a lot of draft boards but the injury thing bothers me with him. Mosley is consistently rated as a top 10 player, and would lean towards him. Ealy has some developing to do,so I dont think he would make an impact his first year. Hageman and Tuitt didnt have good production years, so dont think they would be an impact the first year. Donald will be a lower 1st round rated player, but I do think he would make an impact his first year.
So I think our pick will be one of these 4, Ealy,HaHa,Donald or Mosley.Mosley would be the highest rated and probably be able to be our team leader for the next 10 years, so I still lean towards him.
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The point I was trying to make was, if he cost 8 mil. we wont be chasing him. I agree when it comes to productive players, that should count more.
Jernigan-54-10 and 1/2-4.5.............6-2 292-5.00
Donald-59-28 and a 1/2-11.............6-1 288-5.00
Ill take the productive guy over the potenial.
NFL Mock draft website did a thumbnail on Bears picks.
1-Ealy/DE
2-Quarles/DT
3-Jean Baptiste/CB
4-Brooks/FS
5-Larsen/OC
6-Urban/DT
6-Neal/RB
I would be happy if we got that draft.
Also they had a draft with trades. They had us trade with the Jets and got 14th pick for 18th pick and pick 80 and a 7th rounder.
18-Jernigan/DT
51-Bucannon/SS
80-Quarles/DT
82-Skov/MLB
They had an article for FAs and they had us getting Clinton McDonald/DT/Seahawks. He is a good player.
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I'd take that one step further: with his ability, it seems inevitable Long will be a LT. We could easily flip Bushrod to RT as he's good but far from from great.
I know we place an emphasis on guard play, but Slauson was arguably our best. It's much easier to find guards than tackles.
No way do we draft an o-lineman in round #2. I anticipate we will resign Garza. We may draft o-line in later rounds to compete, but in round #2 you hope to draft an opening day starter on defense.
We need to find an impact defensive player in the first round and two starters for the defense in the 2nd and 3rd round. Later rounds could find us a OC to groom to take Garzas place.
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Ya, I view Jernigan as more of a 4-3 NT whereas Donald is a 3-tech DT. If we resign Melton and Wootton then sign Bennett I'd love to have Jernigan next to Melton. Bennett-Melton-Jernigan-Wootton sounds a whole lot better than say Bennett-Jernigan-Paea-Wootton.....I like Donald more just because he can get after the QB, and he would allow the Bears to move on from Melton and use that money on a safety, or more depth.
I think that draft pick would be there if we dont resign Melton, then he would take his place.
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Hell, even final mock drafts for 1st round picks alone are less than 10% accurate. One pick derails the entire thing. Most just go off basic need and best available at that position, which is all you can really do.
I think instead of having the exact picks teams has, it is more about identifying the top 32 players and some are pretty accurate with that.
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We only have two drafts to judge by but what we do know.
He sees the same team we do and has addressed weaknesses. Grant you, bad miss on the first year , kudos to last year's first round draft.
He like athletes.So the next guy will be all of that.
He addressed WR and TE bringing us Marshall and Bennett, and drafting Jeffery, so I think he attacks the fixing of the defense the same way.
First round grades on defensive players. I used Rob Rangs big board from NFL Draft Scout for this scenario.
1-Clowney/DE
4-Mack/OLB
7-Barr/OLB
9-Mosley/ILB
11-Denard/CB
14-Tuitt/DE
19-Ford/DE-OLB
21-Gilbert/CB
22-Hageman/DE
23-Jernigan/DT
24-Shazier/OLB
25-Ealy/DE
26-Pryor/S
27-Verrett
28-Ha Ha/S
30-Donald
31-Roberson/CB
32-Van Noy/OLB
So I think our choice will be one of the above.
I think 1-4-7 will be gone so our choice will be addressed out the most athletic of the rest of the first round.
If we go by highest rated and athletic that would be Mosley-Denard-Tuitt-Gilbert-Hageman
I think in FAgency he will bring back Melton,Wooten,Ratcliff, Bowman,DJ Williams and will cut Peppers
I also think that he could address DE in FAgency so that would change all assumptions and may just go with highest rated defensive player which would be Mosley.
So for our most glaring needs will probably be Truitt or Hageman. I think he will address pass rush that would have the most impact so:
Truitt/Hageman/ and throw in Ealy, these will be one of our first picks.All are physical specimens, and address our pass rush, which will be a priority to Phil.
If he surprises us and he capable of that, possibly Donald or Pryor would fill that bill.
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Emery last two RD1 picks were Senior Bowl standouts, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Donald was taken.
Jernigan is better know as a run stuffer, only this year he showed some flashes of pressuring the QB. Not sure if that was his role or what.
Ealy would be great too, DE is one of the toughest positions to hit on in the draft.
If you look at how the draft breaks down, you have a better chance of getting a good DT in the second round than you do a impact DE.
If we figure on grabbing a 3-T type tackle past the first round, I figure Donald and Jernigan will go in first round.
Sutton, Quarles,Easley,Johnson, Reid all fit that profile to play the 3-T
After the top 3 DEs go, Clowney,Tuitt and Ealy it drops off quite a bit.
Productive college DEs I like are Murphy, Smith, Jeffcoat, and Crichton. Not sure of who would be 2nd round picks.
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Which makes the stat about the Bears only having one season in the last 10 over a +10 pretty amazing. So even though we were getting turnovers, the offense was making too many of their own to really take advantage of them. Based on all the other teams with high ratios, it does show a strong trend.
Turnovers is probably the one stat that consistently matters in a game.Whoever wins the TO battle usually wins the game.
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Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St, ESPN (McShay), 2/6/2014, http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post...x-chicago-bears
Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St, ESPN (Kiper), 2/6/2014, http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post...x-chicago-bears
Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St, USA TODAY, 2/3/2014, http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/d...lowney/5182783/
Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St, CBS SPORTS (BRUGLER), 2/4/2014, http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft
Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt, SI.com (Farrar), 2/6/2014, http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/06/2014-nfl-mock...-bridgewater-3/
Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri, NFLMocks.com, 2/3/2014, http://nflmocks.com/2014/02/03/chicago-bea...nfl-mock-draft/
Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri, SB Nation, 2/3/2014, http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/201...ddy-bridgewater
Darquee Dennard, CB, Michigan St, CBS SPORTS (RANG), 2/4/2014, http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft
Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama, DraftTek, 2/5/2014, http://www.drafttek.com/2014-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama, WalterFootball, 2/4/2014, http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php
I read an article where the pre combine mock drafts which included Kiper and McShays drafts, are right .025 %.
So much for experts.
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Truth be told Mad, I'm in a 'win/win' situation. If TB does better I win, if Chicago does better we all win.
Its seems so easy for some to divide there loyalty. For me Im stuck on Bears.
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Even better if you think he makes less than 8M. Again your mock had them signing Melton, who I believe will make no less than 6M, and in my mock I don't have them signing Melton or Brown so right there you have the money for Whitner.
I'm probably off base here, but I'm not that big a Jerrnigan fan just because he wasn't THAT productive in college. I know with guys like him and Hageman it's more about potential but still with that potential you'd think they'd be more dominant in college.
Jernigan had 11 tfl and 4.5 sacks this year. In a game against 1-11 Idaho he had 4.5 TFL and 2.5 sacks, so in 13 other games he had 6.5 tfl and 2 sacks.
Yes he had 9 tackles in the Nat'l title game, but Auburn ran the ball 53 times so there were a lot of tackles to be made.
I don't think he'll be terrible by any means, he's got loads of potential, but I personally like to see production over potential.
The point I was trying to make was, if he cost 8 mil. we wont be chasing him. I agree when it comes to productive players, that should count more.
Jernigan-54-10 and 1/2-4.5.............6-2 292-5.00
Donald-59-28 and a 1/2-11.............6-1 288-5.00
Ill take the productive guy over the potenial.
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I agree that half those guys won't be there but I used the fanspeak simulator just like you, so I just went with what they gave me....Who are these former scouts you give kudos to??
I think Whitner gets about 8M and Melton gets around 6M, so the difference in what we spent isn't too far away. Remember, to go along with that 16M number you came up with there could be a lot more where that came from. The way Cutler/Jennings/Slaus contracts were signed allow them to free up money as they need it, and I still expect to see Marshall to get an extension as well.
As for starting a 4th round player...To me there's a bit of difference between a 4th round starter at DE and a 4th round starting safety. I think you can "hide" a "bad" safety more than you can "hide" a "bad" DE.
Former NFL scouts with draft sites
GBND
Draft Countdown
Matt Miller writes for Bleacher Report
Our Lads has good information on it.
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I would have no problem if we got him. He may have the biggest impact of any DT in this years draft. Why not us.
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I agree that half those guys won't be there but I used the fanspeak simulator just like you, so I just went with what they gave me....Who are these former scouts you give kudos to??
I think Whitner gets about 8M and Melton gets around 6M, so the difference in what we spent isn't too far away. Remember, to go along with that 16M number you came up with there could be a lot more where that came from. The way Cutler/Jennings/Slaus contracts were signed allow them to free up money as they need it, and I still expect to see Marshall to get an extension as well.
As for starting a 4th round player...To me there's a bit of difference between a 4th round starter at DE and a 4th round starting safety. I think you can "hide" a "bad" safety more than you can "hide" a "bad" DE.
I only had my 4th rounder as a rotation guy. I was bringing in Bennett/Houston and getting Wooten back as my starters.
They have the ability to gain more in cap space, but if you figure they bring back McCown(1.5) and extend Marshall, that money will be coming out of the cap also. So I am not optimistic we will be big spenders in FA.
If Whitner(and I like him) costs that much, he wont be coming here. Thats Byrd and Ward type money.
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Just to clarify where all this was going. First, the comment I made was 'tongue in cheek' and said in jest. I did not say that Chicago should fire Trestman. Nor did I say the Bears should hire back Smith. Ashkum posed the thought that defense seemed to have made a difference in the last few Super Bowls. I said "we should have kept Lovie" mostly because he was good a D and who knows, maybe could improved upon his 10-6 record this last year? The point is moot because like Jason's comments and many others, to include my own, are all speculative in nature. He's in Tampa now and I wish him luck.
Despite Bear Trap's suggestion I don't have a 'love affair' with Lovie just an appreciation of who he is and his style of coaching. I met him once while at the DFW airport. Although it was a very brief conversation he seemed to be a very personable guy and unassuming. From what I hear from players who have been coached by him they too say he's a stand up guy. Hence why I suggset he's a good "COACH". With Trestman I don't know him as well as a fan. Will he prove to be a 'keeper'? Only time will tell. I realize one year does not a career make. (I'm not part of the Cleveland Browns management for pete's sake).
And for what its worth I have much more need for a plumber than I do a psychologist. To you I say, good day.
I have been plumbing for 44 years, but went to school for the other. With me you get both. Your the only person on here that mentioned Lovie, just didnt think after all the crap Lovie kept giving us, he would ever be mentioned again, but you did. The only way to take that statement is you wish Lovie was still here. Your entitled to your opinion, my point was with all the Bear fans on here, no one else feels that way.Just thought we were way past that and look for the future with optimism, instead of dragging in old memories of the past.
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I dont know if Rodgers is gay or not but fact it has been questioned tickles me to death with some of the bonehead Packers fans I know. It kills them to think that is possible.