Stinger226
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Completely agree.
The honeymoon is over.
Our special teams are god awful, and the defense is terrible. I think DeCam is gone, but think maybe since there remaking the defense will keep Tucker for one more year and let him do what he wants to do. How would you take a job and they tell you , you have to run this defense, and dont get to do what you want. I think with the massive turnover of defense players that will occur this year, they will keep him one more year and let him set the defense up like he wants it to be.
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Bostic and Paea are terrible. Peppers is a has been and SMC never has been. Briggs looked slow and out of sync tonight as well. Tonight was embarrassing.
I agree, most of blame is on players. I think we are just God awful and I dont care if you had the best DC in the league, he would not play well with these players. They wont fire Tucker they will give him a bonus this year for having to coach this defense. Lot at all the weak spots. If we had everybody healthy we would still be bad the only thing that is different is would would have more turnovers and that would make a difference but still would be very good .
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When we fire Mel Tucker in the offseason, do the Bears bring in Jim Schwartz as the coordinator
JKI know this defense is old, I know our safeties suck donkey but Foles is looking like Peyton Manning
I think Tucker has some responsibility, but he has very little to work with. In this defense you get 2 defensive breakdowns per play your screwed. The Eagles are exploiting our weaknesses as good teams will do.
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I'm still not sold that they will move on from Jay, for better or for worse, but just to get the loss off my mind for a little bit, lets say Jay is let go and they give Josh like 3M to compete with a rookie here is what my ideal offseason would look like....
Bears will have the 4th most cap room of any team in the league, and with a Championship caliber offense, Chicago should be an inviting place for FAs to sign. Assuming they cut Peppers they will have 50M in cap space.
Resign
Tillman 5M
Jennings 5M
Melton 3M prove it deal
Collins 1M
Ratliff 1M
Wootton 3M
Bowman 2M
Williams 1.5M
Slausson 2M
Gould 4.5M
McCown 3M
Total 31M
Sign
Michael Bennett 5M
Jarius Byrd 8M
Total 13M
Grand Total 44M
Don't know how much cap you need for the draft but 6M should be enough,and then there are other moves that can be made to make room to fill out the roster.
Draft
1R- Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minny- I've been a big supporter of Paea over the years, but I think the DL can use more girth vs Paea's strength. With his big body and freakishly long arms I think he'd help the run defense big time.
2R- A.J. McCarron QB Bama- Or really whatever QB Trestman likes the most, with the plethora of depth at the QB position in the draft there's bound to be someone who slips to the Bears in the 2R. I've been against McCarron in the past, calling him a product of the system, but thinking about it, what we have here is indeed a system. Our receivers are so big and almost always out match the opposing DBs, so it's just like what he sees at Bama. There may be better options that drop but if not I'm cool with A.J..
3R- Best safety available- I'm ready to give COnte and Wright the boot.
4R- Best center available- Ready to move on from Garza and let Kromer work his magic.
5R- Best CB available- A prospect to groom behind Tillman/Jennings/Bowman and compete with Frey to play the Nickel
6R- Best OT available- Another Kromer project here, perhaps put him in the Britton role (Where was that today BTW)
6R- Tallest TE available- Give McCown or McCarron yet another monster red zone target ala Joesph Fauria.
I know a lot of people will get on me for drafting 4 offensive players but when you consider the defense will be adding Melton, Collins, Tillman, Williams, Bennett, Byrd, Hageman, the 3R safety, and really, a healthy Briggs to what we have seen in recent weeks that defense looks wayyyy different.
The math doesnt work on you proposal. We have 28 players still under contract, you added 13 and with 6 rookies that is 47 players. Your additions takes all of our cap space so how do add 6 players with no money? We have to get the players you listed for probably about 6 mil less than you stated and then you need to leave around 3 to 4 mil to sign players thru the year, so your math is off by around 10 mil.
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I put it more on Trestman for NOT calling pass plays than Cutler actually throwing 1 incomplete pass.
If any of you guys are interested there's a good movie on AMC
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Bears can clinch tonight! Don't screw this up!
I HOPE we do it, because I dont want it to come down to a GB game with Rodgers back. My packer fan friends will toast me for all the bad smack talk I have given them.
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I dont think the offense will be a problem I fear Jackson-9-112-2 and McCoy 183 yards a couple of TDS type of day.
packers and Lions lose jajajajajja
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The lions lost again in overtime 23-20 and the Packers are down 38-31 with 1:12 left to play
Hail hail the gangs all here, GB lost hahahhahahjajajaja
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Root for the Saints to make the Wildcard. Kenny Vaccaro just fractured his ankle, and is out for the rest of the season according to reports. If we can play the Saints in the 1st game at home in the cold weather, I believe we can beat them. Their defense becomes less scary in light of the Vaccaro news.
Best case scenario for the Bears IMO:
- Carolina wins the division
- Saints win a Wildcard spot
- Bears face Saints in 1st game, then Carolina in the 2nd game.
We just don't want to play New Orleans in their dome, which is why we need them to win a wildcard spot. I feel like we could beat Carolina at home or on the road.
Were either the division winner or wont make it at all, so we play at home the first game no matter what.
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Me too . I'm hopeful that both Detroit and GB falter today. I don't have the faith that Cutler has "bought in" as many here hope. And I fear he'll look crappy today and Trestman won't pull him. But that's just me being pessimistically optimistic.
I dont think the offense will be a problem I fear Jackson-9-112-2 and McCoy 183 yards a couple of TDS type of day.
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Why not? Because I don't think we need to sell out the defense to improve our offense in the ways mentioned. As stated, with Garza at C we're the leagues 2nd best offense in pts/gm and 7th in yds/gm. Would I like to see an upgrade over Garza? Absolutely. Can Kromer find that guy late in the draft or in FA? I believe he can.
Speed WR? I'm thinking like Jason here: Find another Johnny Knox in Rd 4/5.
2nd TE? Same thing, grab him in Rd 4 or 5. We don't need a stud here, not even a guy who is a good blocker but one who can go out and catch some passes and occasionally hold a block on the edge. The edge blocking in helped dramatically by guys like Marshall and Jeffrey so we have wiggle room here in terms of player capabilities we need.
Again, of those 3 needs I believe at least one will be filled by a vet FA. Jacoby Ford will be a UFA. He's fast and he's also been a very poor performer as a WR. He's also been injured. I don't watch Raiders games so I won't say he's what we need but his 4.3 speed would look great in the open field underneath some deep routes run by Marshall/Jeffrey. He can replace Hester as a KR too. I'd say goodbye to Weems too. There will be options for us without a huge investment in either money or high draft pick and with this offense we now have a place for WRs to come to if they want to succeed in their career. That doesn't hurt the recruiting process.
In doing this we keep the big money and high draft picks available to rebuild the D.
Realistically we probably need to draft all D players except for a QB prospect. Like some of your thoughts, but Garza is now our weak spot on the OL, I was thinking of a Pouncey type or a Austin type to draft for those positions high and what a great offense we would have. I just threw this out there as (food for thought) but am getting more behind the thought the more I give it mileage.
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I personally don't think it will take long to rebuild our defense at all. The reason our defense was so god awful this year was because of injuries, if they just bring back the injured guys, who should all come on discounts, then the defense will be at the very least, good enough.
DT was the biggest problem this season. If they can put a healthy rotation of Melton, Ratliff, Paea, and Collins they should be really stout in the middle. Maybe throw in a 3-4 round pick to protect ourselves against injury.
DE gets better because of the improvement at DT. Not only do they get to move Wootton back outside, but because of the attention paid to the guys on the inside, it makes the guys on the outside job a little easier. I also really think we'll see Peppers get the boot and add MartyBs bro Michael to take his place. Wootton and Bennett on the corners should be a big improvement over Pepper and SMC.
CB will be fine whatever way they wanna go with it. If they let one of Tillman or Jennings walk I'm fine with that because Bowman has played really well in the absence of Tillman. Frey hasn't been noticeably bad either so I can see him sticking around in the nickel.
LB isn't in bad shape. Briggs will be back, and despite somewhat bad play out of Bostic I think you gotta give your 2nd round pick a chance to start next year. The Sam LB should be easy to fill. Whether they wanna bring Anderson back, play Greene there, or find another cheap option there they should be fine.
Safety should be priority numero uno. I would LOVE to see Ha-Ha fall to us, or see Tillman accept a move to safety and have Denard fall to us....Those are ideal situations to me. Like another poster suggested, I wouldn't mind Joyner in the first round either, he reminds me a lot of Bob Sanders looking at his tape from when he was a Safety.
Assuming they have the money to bring back Melton, Collins, Ratliff, Wootton, Tillman, Jennings, and bring in Bennett, then hit on a Safety in the first round then I think they could, at the very least be a top 15 defense. If they're a top 15 defense, and the offense remains a top 5 offense i think that team could make a deep playoff run.
In an ideal world, if all those guys are brought back they can go with a draft that looks something like....(using WF mock)
1R Ha-Ha/Denard/Joyner/Oregon dude withe the weird name/Verrett- In said ideal world if they get a CB here it would mean Tillman to Safety
2R- Travis Swanson OC
3R- Taylor Hart DT/DE Oregon
4R- CB/S
5R- CB/S
6R- LB
6R- Huge TE/Speedy WR.
DE- Bennett/Wootton/SMC/Bass/Washington/Hart
DT- Melton/Ratliff/Paea/Collins/Hart/Cohen
LB- Briggs/Bostic/Greene/Vet/Costanzo/6R
CB-Tillman/Jennings/Frey/Bowman/4Ror5R/McMannis or Denard/Jennings/Frey/Bowman/4Ror5R/McMannis
S- Ha-Ha/Wright/4Ror5R/? or Tilman/Wright/4Ror5R/?
Injuries have been a downfall for us, but I dont think we were playing well before everybody got hurt. I was just throwing out the idea of loading the offense, but there is no way we get good in one year. Play better , yes but still not very good in my opinion. I like the idea of Bennett we pretty well have to take best player available in the draft whereever the position. The only way we get a chance at an impact player. I see SMC gone after this year.
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Ya, I remember reading something on soxtalk about you being away so I took the reigns.
No biggy though, if we were following Sox game thread protocol then you would have been out a long time ago.
Anyyyyway, I see Jay going off this game, the bears dropping another 30 spot while the improved run D holds Shady under 120 and Philly under 40.
Bears 33 Philly 27.
Im calling 38-34, havent decided who wins yet thou. My favorite time is the late afternoon games to watch, nite games seem out of sync for me, but (a shot of tequila) raised for hoping we win.(OH its morning I cant start drinking yet.
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I want all Noles drafted...Lamarcus Joyner as nickel/return man. Tim Jernigan as a Dt. Christian Jones as OLB. Bryan Stork as a center and Kenny Shaw as the slot guy. Throw in Terrence Brooks as safety.
I am a traditional Bears fan, great defenses along the way to enjoy and this defense is God awful. Everytime I watch them, I feel like a dog just bite my nutsack.We have to rebuilt our defense and how long will that take. History tells us, you draft well for 3 years and grab a couple prime FAs and you can have a stout defense. The problem with that is, if this is our first year of rebuilding it we have a 2nd and 3rd round pick that is a long way from being decent let alone having an impact.
I wrote this with the thought, since our offense is on its way, and the time it will take to rebuilt our defense, by the time the defense gets good again, Marshall will be done, Cutler will be at the end of his career, and Forte will be trying to catch on with another team. I think it will take 3 years to get anything that resembles a defense again and by then the offense will be starting to fade. Add 3 years to the play of Cutler , Marshall, and Forte, and then we will have to rebuild the offense again.
So I thought....WHAT IF...we just jump on offense and add some pieces and try to win with an awesome offense and patch the defense. Add a speedy WR or a stud TE(two TE sets)(see past NE games) and a anchor OC and we cam rival the NEs, and Denvers of the league. We have the disadvantage of sitting on a team that has had many bad drafts that instead of stocking this team has us out on a ledge.
Add in the change in rules, lack of practices(bargining agreement) creating lousy tackling. The cards are stacked against good defenses any more, why not buy in and build a dynasty with a great offense this time.
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Since our defense sucks, and the offense is close to being very very good, how about it we sold out on defense and continued building the offense first.
Grab a star TE in the first round and a OC in the second and then draft defensive players the rest of the draft?
Pick up free agents to fill defensive spots, and bring back some of our own players?
This is out of left field thinking but if we get two TE options and improve our oline and let the the defense suck with mild improvement.
what do you think.
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He needs to improve in the Red Zone and limit INTs.
We beat up Culter for his faults but keep in mind , since he has been here we have been the worst OL in the league until this year.
He didnt have any weapons until last year and now Jeffery has developed and we signed Bennet.
He has bad habits but with all the bad juju around him, he has improved this year, until the injury.
I think he is our best option
What if we throw all our baskets in Joshs corner and he fails then we have to rely on an unproven rookie to take over our fortunes.
I have no desire to be back in QB hell that we were for years. There are reasons we doubt Cutler but the injuries have impeded his growth and I still think he is our best option going forward.
He has weapons
He has an improved OL
He has Trestman
I think that is all we have to say, and for those Josh is great fans, look at his history and at 35 that can come back anytime.
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A DT coming off his 2nd ACL injury in 3 years??? Interesting.
I like the reports I see on him with phrases like "uncanny first step" "active hands" "most disruptive player in the SEC" and "extremely intelligent" being thrown out there. Also like that he's being compared to Geno Atkins.
Reports say the injury issues will scare some and might force him out of the first round, but he's got first round talent.
Without watching any game tape on him, I'd still prefer Hageman if they want to go DT, and prefer Denard overall.
I am there with you, I think Hageman is the best DL this year and could also play DE if we needed that.
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Anyone who thinks there's a QB out there who makes no mistakes is a fool and knows literally nothing about this game. The measure of a great player is how they respond. Today Jay showed us all what that means. I hope it continues into the playoffs.
It really is kinda of a mute point now. Cutler is healthy,somewhat, and the coach likes him, so we will live with his faults and hopefully win the rest of the games. Josh played well(good for us) and Cutler has been improved over his gunslinger self this year. I think Tresty can get him where he needs to go, the injuries delayed his progress. the important thing is to win and we did that today.
By the way isnt it nice to be arguing over who is the better QB when both has had good moments, instead all the stinky QB play we have endured over the years.
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We now get to see Cutler back under center for better or for worst. He will get us back on his bandwagon or cause much talk about McCown again.
I hope he does well, we win out and make the playoffs.
But: as the season goes we will probably win 2 of the next 3 and not make the playoffs. Lions have a better 3 games to deal with than we do.
So for Christmas I would like us to win out(first choice) or lose out and get the best draft position we can grab.
So what do you want for Christmas?
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I still say the Bears should go HaHa Clinton Dix in RD1. He's easily the best FS available and is potentially going to be there when the Bears pick. Sure, if Jadaveon Clowney, you get him. But that ain't happening. And where the Bears are selecting, HHCD is a much better value than any other DE/DT.
I doubt if we get that chance to draft him at 17-22, where we will probably draft. We need an impact player and whether it be saftey,DT or DE we should get one of them there. I would jump on him at where we draft.
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I guess we will see after this season is over which way the Bears think is best to go forward. I never said McCown can't run this offense and win. We've seen it, but we've seen Jay win too. If the Bears thought less of Jay, he would not be starting. Having two capable QB's should be a good thing. Every topic on every Bears board is numerous comparisons of the two. Nothing has changed my view, we have an offense that can score and the core is signed until 2015, except for QB. Starting over with McCown and a rookie with a core of Marshall, Forte, Jeffrey, and Bennett would be awful if McCown slips or gets injured. Continuing on with Cutler and McCown will assure we are capable under center and allow the team to focus on improving one of the worst defenses in the nfl.
I think with the injuries to Jay, we just need more time to judge him and that will be with the franchise tag comes into to play.As far as Josh he has played well but can he bare the burden of a full season? What if we go with him and draft a guy we could be in QB hell next year. He may turn into a 35 year old backup QB that got old overnite. I am a gambler so if we went that way I would complain but still think Cutler gives us more options. We have to rebuilt a D that will take two years if were lucky, but a if we spend a 4th round pick on a project, it wont hurt our growth on defense.
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My philosophy has always been, you have to be dominant at one thing. That being said, I think the best option for that lies in Cutler. There's no chance of the D betting dominant next year, do it has to be O. How about 6 years 80 mil for Cutler? Two years 7 mil for Josh?
With all the spots we have to fill on the roster there is no way we pay Josh 3.5 mil a year. I expect us to tag Cutler and sign Josh to around a 2 year 2.5 mil. contract. I dont see people rushing out to grab a career backup QB at the age of 35 having a good year. Of course you only need one team to boost his salary. I think they are trying to build a Super Bowl type offense and letting Cutler walk at this stage would be ludicrous. We have the WRs, the TE, and other than Garza pretty well the offense built.
This is what I think will happen in the offseason:
Tag Cutler
Resign Josh with a raise
Let Garza go
Resign Slausson and put him at OC(he has played there before)
Sign another OG in FAgency on the cheap(the best position to get cheap help)
Let Bush walk(Ford is the next man up)
Let Peppers go
Resign Collins, Ratliff, Anderson,Britton,Gould,Bowman,Walters
We bring in a couple of CBs in FAgency
we draft a (in any order) Safety,DT, DE, OC, QB,CB,CB
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Actually we should be looking at Safety even closer
I think saftey and DT are our most profound needs.
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Would love to see that
I think if we tag Jay we will let Peppers go. We bring him in and start to rebuild the defense.
If they move on....
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When you sign players at a vet min. for example McCown makes 840 thou but it only counts as 600 against the cap. I am not sure of the excursion but it works something like that. I suspect that some of the players wont play for what you suggest on the resign list. There is no way Melton will come here and play for 3 mil. He wouldnt go will a long term deal when they were paying him 8 mil. I see McCown coming back for 1.5 and more if we dont resign Cutler. Ratliff is making 1 mil. now if will take more to bring him back, he has shown so signs of being a better player.Most of your proposal looks good, but think some of the math wont work as far as the salary.