Stinger226
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A couple INT as a rookie isn't a good year. The kid stinks, he's never anywhere near the ball regardless of who he's covering.
He was terrible last year, but since he is still on the team, I root for him to look like 2012 Conte, not great but not terrible.
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Yep. He was actually a guy I was hoping we would sign two years ago. I was irritated that Washington signed him. Then we traded for Brandon Marshall and it became a moot point.
Which reminds me as we struggle to fill certain positions and we hope guys have break-out years, everything becomes easy once you get a legitimate top player.
Emery keeps throwing darts at the board and some of these fringe players are going to end up playing well and add a whole lot to the team. We need to start grabbing some RBs and add to that position.
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But was he busting his ass BEFORE?! Apparently not.
And comparing him to a guy like Urlacher makes no sense because Urlacher was able to do amazing things with his body...regardless of outward appearance (not like he was fat). He was doing wha the needed to do to be extremely successful. If SMC did the same he'd get he same pass.
The picture isnt a good tell, he's a white guy. Hopefully he gets his shit together and goes out and succeeds, it helps the Bears be better. Like someone said , he is working harder to get where he needs to be. We have to give him credit for that.
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great tagline
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Here's an article that gives everybody something they want.
The BPA options at 14
http://nflmocks.com/2014/04/21/will-chicag...-nfl-draft-b-p/
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If he's willing to take a backup position and knows his role I really wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him.
I think if you surround him with some actual talent like we have here in Chicago he could end up being a solid QB.
And with the Bears bringing back Jerrod Johnson, working out Boyd and Lynch, and then also last years talks of them running the pistol/read option plays, Pryor, at 6'6" with 4.32 speed he'd be a good fit to do just that.
What says you?
Every time someone is cut, (we should look at him) he aint worth it. A good body doesnt make you a good football player.
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The Bears signed Josh Morgan a WR from Wash via SF
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That "near disastrous" draft was done with the previous scouting department setup. Emery was hired relatively late prior to the draft and so he went in with the existing system and scouts. On top of that Phil effectively said at the time he was giving Lovie everything he "needed" to be successful. It is impossible to know how that impacted decisions like SMC but I don't think we can eliminate Lovie's influence in that decision, or really that whole draft. That doesn't excuse Emery from mistakes either, he had the final word. I still believe he did enough to support Lovie so that when he talked with the owners and Ted Philips he could justify why he wanted to move on and hire a new head coach.
The 2013 draft is when Phil had his system and scouts in place. I don't think that was bad at all as he came away with two starters for an Oline that really needed help. We still have to see what we get with Wilson at WR but there are reasons to be optimistic. Bostic didn't play well last year but I think he'll develop into a good player for us. Greene may end up as a good backup LB for us but that's not all bad for 4th RD pick. Washington may or may not make the team this year.
At a minimum Emery has drafted two Pro Bowl players in back to back drafts. That's not all bad.
I totally believe Lovie had a great influence in that first draft, all that you said were spot on. Good GMs dont hit on all of there draft choices and then it goes into developing those players. After three years we will be able to make a good judgement on Emery, the first year ,not good, although a stud WR in the second goes along way and bringing in Marshall should also be included in that draft.
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BPA, within reason. However, Emery hasn't seemed to gone along with what most would consider BPA, although all the talk after the draft is "this guy was at the top of our board." I'm really hoping the near-disasterous 2012 draft has taught him maybe not to trust his scouts so much, or whoever convinced him to reach for all those guys.
The more I look at this draft the weirder it is because I feel like there's only three logical choices for the 1st round pick: Donald, Clinton-Dix, and Pryor (and for the record, I would be fine with any of the three). In fact, besides maybe Fuller and Nix, those are the only projeted first round picks I've seen the Bears linked to (http://walterfootball.com/draft2014meetingsteams.php). And yet, McClellin and Long were both big suprises the last two years, so I keep trying to figure out if there's someone who could surprise this year. Bucannon? Hageman?
Bottom line, I want to see us fill the holes in this roster with value picks. Because the sad truth is, Kyle Long is the only one of Emery's reaches to pan out, and his other good draft picks (Jeffery, Mills, Paea to an extent) were picked at or behind where they were expected to be picked, whereas guys like Hardin, Conte, and McClellin looked like reaches when they were drafted and don't look to be changing that opinion anytime soon.
I think the surprise picks could be Hageman, Truitt, and Mosely. Mosely will be an all pro type and he's not my first choice, but absolutely would be a good addition to the team.
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I could easily see a first round safety starting.
Absolutely. I think we go S in first round, but do not discount , if we trade back that could change. I think if he fell down in the first round, and Pryor and HaHa are gone, Mosely could be our surprise pick, and I wouldnt hate that.
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You miscreants. Why did they have to move draft day?
Gives you more time to hibernate.
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HHCD is considered a better fit in our alleged main scheme Cover 2 because of his coverage ability while Pryor is considered a heavy hitter and not as good in coverage.
Actually Pryor is a better fit, we ask our Ss to play up and back, more of a hybrid style and Pryor fits it better. I think they both will be good pros but think Pryor has more upside as a playmaker. I listed an article in the previous post and look who the author compares them too. I believe that to be true.
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Pretty much this. Also, I've watched lots of Bama games since I'm in the area, and I believe he has elite FS range, angles, and intelligence.
Pryor is more of a playmaker.
HaHa- 10 PBUs-7 INTs 3 FFs in career. 100 Ts
Pryor-14 PBUs-7 INTs- 12 FFs in career. 218 Ts
HaHa is a better pass defender, but Pryor is not far behind.
Here is article which praises both but Pryor has more upside.
http://nflmocks.com/2014/04/20/chicago-bea...ha-clinton-dix/
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Looking at the 2015 draft class, it looks like it could be a healthy one for CB. I don't see much size over 6'-1", so maybe we take a flyer on one of the bigger ones this year.
1- Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB Oregon
2- PJ Williams CB FSU
3- Trae Williams CB MSU
4- Jalen Collins CB LSU
5- Alex Carter CB Stanford
Here is a current list of visits off of BearGoggles
http://beargoggleson.com/2014/04/19/chicag...20the%20Network
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I will start randomizing the teams and managers tonight but will give it until 8pm to get more names; right now I have scs, Stinger, MadLith, and myself. 5-6 would be preferable, but we can go with us 4 having 8 teams each. At least we will get thru more rounds with less managers.
how ever you wish to do it, Im ok with
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I would love the Bears to draft my nephew. Kofi Hughes out of IU. 6'2 215, ran 4.5 forty, had 23 reps and catches very well. He was a four year starter and a damn good kid. His fellow team mate Cody Lattimer is projected to be taken at 28 by Kiper. I'd do a back flip if we got him.
That would be cool, I think we draft a Wr but it will be later rounds.
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I'm just not so sure about that bold statement. I'm not sure what to think of Ratliff at this point, he's gonna be 33 years old and has come off 2 straight injury plagued seasons. I'm not sure you want him being more than just a rotational player.
If Donald is there Allen-Houston-Donald-Young is wayyyy better....same could probably be said about a few other guys in the draft.
Of course that would matter who we drafted, but I dont see any rookie being the starter full time, unless we have an injury.Ratliff will get the most reps but of course injury would change that. If we get lucky and get Donald, he will be rotational.If we go with a guy like Nix, I doubt if he would be in on passing. I like you, think Donald will be a very good player on pass rush but may be a liability on run downs. He hasnt taken a step in the NFL yet so we should see how all that plays out.
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So looking at the draft do we draft for needs or for BPA? Looking at our roster below we have a few needs. I say we need DT,LB CB,,FS and a SS. We still have roster cuts and FA...but we cant get them all in the draft.. I say we get either Donald or Pryor/Gilbert in rd1, DT Jones or FS Bucannon in rd2.3rd rd Bullough LB
DE
Allen= starter
Houston=starter/DT
Young=2nd team
Izzy=2nd team/DT
Bass
Lane
Robertson
Scott
Washington
DT
Collins
Paea
Ratliff
LB
Bostic=fighting to be starter with McClellan
Briggs=starter
Franklin=cut
Greene=?????
McClellan=fighting to be starter with Bostic
Senn= special teams ace
D.J Williams=starter
Wilson=cut
CB
Frey= nickel....dont like
Hayden=nickel?????
Hurst=unproven
Jennings = starter
Martin=unproven
McManis=special teams ace
Purdy=unproven
Tillman= starter
Wilson=unproven
FS/SS
Cattouse*
Conte*
Jennings*
McCray*
Mundy*
Steltz*
* All these guys seems to me and 2nd teamers not starters
. Our best 4 as it stands right now is LDE-Young, 3-T-Houston,NT-Ratliff-Allen-RDE
Even if we get a rookie in the mix, that will still be our best 4 players, so these 4 will see many snaps together.
Mundy will be our starting SS and will play well there.
Depth at all positions except DE is at suspect.
If Briggs has lingering should issues from last year, you might see Bostic starting at WLB, the position he is best suited for.
We need a DT rotational player,starting FS, a MLB backup or starter when Williams hits the gurney again, and a CB to groom for a starter role next year.
We still need a backup RB,QB, and TE. I suspect we could see draftees at all of those positions.
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Ford in college for comparison to highlights of this year's RBs.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/michael-fo...-carolina-2012/
I see a guy with speed but not a lot of lateral quickness and agility to make that quick cut to get to open space. Not much different than what he showed us as a Bear IMO. That lack of lateral quickness could also hinder him in pass protection when he has to make last second adjustments.
I certainly hope to be wrong. I think he'll compete for 2nd RB but he needs some good competition and I hope we find someone that beats him out for the job because that means we're that much better.
Plus we've heard nothing from the team regarding confidence in Ford. That doesn't mean anything at all because it is draft time and smokescreens are everywhere. As bad as Michael Bush was last year there was plenty of opportunity for Ford to make a statement.
We need more options if some of these choices fail. I wish every player on the Bears to be the bomb, but we all know they wont be. So let the games begin and load up on prospects.
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Handling stunts from that Dline: Houston, Izzy, Allen, Donald, Tuitt, Young, would be a challenge. Lots of speed, length, and power.
I'm ok if that talent falls that way and we go that route. I still feel fixing the defense is a two year project. We could go all-in for defense in the draft and abandon backfilling some positions like TE, QB, and RB but I feel we must rely on the offense to win. Do enough to improve the D but also do enough to ensure the offense will always be there each week. A dominant Dline will make all other positions better on defense, we've seen it before. We're still going to add in a CB and S too but we can clean up those positions next year. If we go the balanced approach (CB, DT, S) among first 4 picks then we still have depth issues at DT and LB unless Paea suddenly turns it around.
Pick your poison because we'll have a gap on the depth chart somewhere no matter which way we go. Go the path that gets the best talent.
Your spot on, it takes two years and go with the BPA and fix the rest of the spots next year.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000034...ers-trade-block
I'd send the Niners a 6th rd pick for him. That dude was/is fast as hell. Great change of pace.
I dont think we will be getting rid of any of our picks. In a later round they will grab a RB more to there liking.
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I'm confused as to why so many of you are okay with our current DT's. Jay Ratliff will be 33. He sits out an entire year, plays in 5 games, and he's done for the season. Nate Collins is a nice back-up. Not a starter. In 3 seasons, all Paea has proven is that he's a nice back-up. Not a starter.
I can't argue that if there's a high level of talent it's possible we take two defensive tackles. But man we have a lot of needs.
Its an area of need, but so are other positions. In one off season you cant completely rebuild a roster. Say Tillman gets hurt then what? Williams gets hurt again? We have so many needs you have to fill several spots, a DT in the first 3 rounds and later spot gives us two more bodies. That's the best we can hope for.
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Ok cool, I will make a sticky, add names to teams, and once we have all 32, we can start.
Just let me know which teams you are "interested" in managing.
Everybody will want the Bears, so do some number system and make it random, It doesnt matter what team I take.
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One thing I don't understand is how Tuitt is considered a second round player. Compare his game numbers and combine results with any of the other prospects and he is a top 3 or 4 DT. Early mocks had him in the top half on draft boards too. Even when Nix was lost for most of the season, Tuitt still played well despite being the target on the line. If he makes it to round two, Emery better get on the phone.
Truitt could be our first pick. I dont think with all the mocks out there you can really use that information for a basis of what will actually happen. The best at guessing gets maybe 8 right. The ones I think know what there doing get more of the top 32 players right and not necessarily to the right teams. He is rated high on many boards, but if we go DT in the first we will be addressing S and CB in the next couple of picks.
DT- We have Ratliff,Collins, Paea, Izzy will see time there and also Houston, so we wont be drafting two DTs high, maybe another one in the last few rounds, but were in descent shape this year. Ratliff is coming off and injure as well as Collins, but with Izzy and Houston we are not completely dry at the position.
It wouldnt be bad if we got two in the first two rounds, but there is enough depth there to add a body at NT in the 4th or higher rounds. We may not even address the DT position until the 3rd round. What I want is the best player available at a defensive position. OLB and DE are the only two we can get by with if we dont draft those positions. Do not discount MLB, if is a need position,as well as S,CB,DT. Those all could be addressed in the first four rounds, and then we will take the best prospects at any position. We need youth at all positions, so he could go anywhere with those picks.
Interview with former scout Dave Thomas
in Bearstalk
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Donald is the best pass rushing DT in the draft. His height gives him leverage with taller players. THE only problem I see with him is he wont be stout against the run. I have watched tons of tape on him, and he just doesnt hold up well with that aspect of the game. He is not my first choice, mainly because I dont think he will be there when we pick. Its like saying we should get Cloweny, unrealistic. Because of all the accolades afforded him, somebody will grab him before us. Thats why I am routing for Pryor, and would be happy with several at that spot. HaHa,Gilbert,and my secret wish Mosely. Mosely is one of the top players in this draft and would love if we ended up with him. He is going to be an impact player for who ever drafts him, and wouldnt mind routing for a stud MLB playing for the Bears.We have had a few at that position.