Stinger226
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He's a stupid SOB but a talent. Don't think we need him here given our WRs.
His price will be to high, enough said.
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I think it's kind of a mixed bag. Sure, the money Hester and Urlacher were asking for was more than the Bears wanted to pay. That's understandable. But at the same time, there appears to have been no attempt at signing either player, or even making an effort at negotiation. Who's to say the loyalty Urlacher speaks of wouldn't have been returned if the Bears simply made a lower-middle ground offer? Same goes for Hester. What if Hester would have signed for less than $2M to remain a Bear? We'll never know because the team never even got to that point with him.
Having said all that, loyalty is DEFINITELY not "pay equal to or more than another team is offering just because a player has been with his team his whole career." That's just stupid. At a certain point the value of the player has to be considered.
First of all Emery and Trestman didnt ride his career, they owe him no loyalty. The Bears paid him and Hester both well, so the fact they bitched about the money made them the ones lacking loyalty. They were right about Urlacher, wasnt a very good player at the end of his career. The rest of the league agreed with them, no one offered him a contract. Football teams are like whore houses , they will take every ounce of worth out of you and when your not worth it , throw you out on the street. His time was over, and its as simple as that . We cant go back and say shoulda, coulda, woulda because he didnt play again. I think Hester will prove to be not worth what Atlanta paid for him, but they will play itself out. I have no problem letting go of old players, loved them when they played but realism always wins out, they get old, and this is not an old mans game.
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Ya, here's the quote....
“Where Jon has struggled this year is in terms of being in the middle is the instantaneous in terms of read and react and searching through blocks in flow,” GM Phil Emery said. “He can improve dramatically in that going into his second season. I just said that from his skill set, some day — that may not be this year, it may be in the future — might be best on the outside to take advantage of the skill sets that he has.
The bold part tells me he's not just competing at SLB. He never closed the door on MLB at all.
They didnt bring Williams back to be a backup. We need depth at the position and right now he is penciled in as the starter. That could change going forward, but I think the possibility exists we draft a MLB in one of the early rounds whether you like it or not.If he thinks Mosely is an impact player and we move back he would be a good valve in the end of the first round.
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I also agree that while Conte had an overall bad season I believe it's too early to give up on him. He needs to workout with bmarsh and company and get tougher mentally as he seemed too be around the ball but was constantly making mental mistakes. You could see mid season that his confidence was down and he was thinking not reacting instinctively. With that said I want the top rated defensive player that projects as a day one starter. We can not afford to draft on potential high ceiling guys that don't have a sure position with experience and success at the college level.
I think not only a starter but an impact player is needed. Whether that be Donald, HaHa, or Gilbert, its only our opinions Emery has proved he doesnt draft according to popular opinion. I think he could suprise us with a Fuller/CB, Ward/FS or a Hageman/DT. Chances are we are surprised again this year.
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Ya, I searched for the the article on it....I think he'll he fine. Season is still months away
There is nothing defined on it, and probably wont come in to play, but he was injured in Oct and it hasnt completely healed yet. 6 months is a long time to have an injury linger, definitely something to monitor going forward. He was cleared to come back when he played the last few games. He played like shit, thats not the Briggs we want on the field.
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To me, I'd put backup TE/RB/QB all in the same category of positions where we should be adding a quality #2....Bears still have around 8m in cap space and I kinda expect 1 or 2 of those spots addressed in FA.
Drafting a TE over a RB would be made with the thought that Trestman would want to run a lot of 2 TE sets, which means the TE would play a bigger role than the backup RB. RB is obviously a need though.
Last year we kept hearing things like....
-from a tribune article
...which is where the whole want for a 2nd TE comes from.
I've backpedaled on the whole Ebron pick thing because he's not a inline TE who would complement Bennett, who's not a great blocker. Butdepending on who's there (
As far as a speedy slot guy goes, I just don't think thats a big need in a WCO. I think Trestman really likes to use his big guys in the slot to try and create a mismatch.
As for center, I really think the Bears are high on Boggs and see him as the center of the future.
As far as CB goes, I'm kinda mixed here. I understand the thought behind taking a CB early, but I think they wait until the 3-4 round range and take a guy like Walt Aikens who could use some seasoning under the wings of Tillman/Jennings.
That's just how I view things.
Its completely possible we take a CB with the first pick. Gilbert would give us a returner besides an youth to the back of the defense. Hayden, and Tillman are at the end. Jennings is no spring chicken.
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Emery said Bostics problems were correctable. Mostly his read/react times were slow, that will improve with experience. He looked much better in preseason and I think his head just had too much going on and the pressure kept increasing. I think year two at MLB will be a better one.
He is competing for the SLB job but with news of Briggs still not recovered from shoulder injury, he may be playing WLB out of the block.
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Where are you hearing this?
I'm not a fan of any of the LBs this year,...If I had to take someone it'd be Christian Jones in the 3rd.
they talked about it on the score, and there was something on comcast
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1: Trade Down Kyle Fuller - CB
2: Kelcey Quarles - DT
3: Dion Bailey - S
3: Max Bullough - ILB
4: Bryan Stork - C
5: Jerick McKinnin - RB
If they traded down, I dont see any extra picks and we have two 6th round picks this year. I also would have no problem if we ended up getting C.J. Mosely. I think he will be a stud.
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The PFF guy on soxtalk just posted that Bostic had the best pass defense rating of any MLB in the NFL....."Best since vintage Urlacher"
When playing cover 2 that's a real important thing you need in an MLB.
The only way he sees MLB again is by injuries. He will move outside this year and next year be slotted in Briggs place when he is gone. To be rated that high on pass defense rating and be that bad in run defense, that shows you how statistics can cloud how good someone is , he is a long way away.
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I really don't get why signing Allen all of a sudden makes us able to go BPA? Nothing has changed at DT/FS. Maybe if we signed Clemons instead of Allen that could be something you could say, but signing another DE didn't change anything from Tuesday till now.
The way I see it is 2 days ago we possibly needed to draft a DE in the 3/4 round (IMO), and today we don't. DT is still a huge need that you can't ignore to take a BPA.
Right now, for me, it's Donald/HaHa or trade down. If they can't trade down then I might think about an OT or CB (I changed my tune on Ebron just because he can't block, we don't need a WR, I want an inline guy).
I think Emery will see it that way, Im all in on Donald or one of the safeties. Our line is Houston-Ratliff-Paea-Allen with Idonije,Young. Collins,and the rest of the DEs we have. Houston will see snaps inside as well as Idonije. I am stating BPA with the first round pick. If we pass on Donald, I think we may have a idea to pick Quarles,Jones,Johnson,Hageman,Ferguson, Bromley,and Reid at a latter round. Safeties after the first round will be possibly Ward,Bucannon,Bailey,Brooks, and Exum. I think if he decides that there is a stud there any position other than QB and RB, he could possibly take him.
OT-If one of the top 3 drop he would have to consider taking one. Mills was considered as performed well for a 5th round pick, but the truth is he was very good.
WR-After thinking about if more the only way we would take one in the first round is if Watkins dropped and that is highly unlikely.
TE-If Emery thinks Ebron is the second coming of J. Graham, I totally think he could take him.
DE-I dont see anyway we go that direction unless Clownery drops.
DT-As I stated I think the top 2 are still in play, but there is also 2nd and 3rd day options.
LB- Briggs is in his last year,Williams is a one and done. We are grooming Bostic to take Lances place, so the middle is still a big need.
CB-Everybody is old.
S- Stongly believe this is the leader in our first option but there is options in the first and second rounds.
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With Allen coming here we are now in play for drafting BPA. That could be many different positions to go for.
Donald and Jerrigan are still in play. We have a 32 year old Ratliff as our best DT, enough said.
Gilbert comes in to play. He brings a KR/PR skill that we have no totally addressed yet. Plus he is the highest rated CB.
CJMosley will also be considered. With a one and done Williams our main squeeze at MLB dont discount the potential to take this player.
Offensive player? If he dubs an Ebron/TE or a Cooks/WR as the best player available at our spot,l think he could surprise us with a pick here.
I think we still have many spots to fill, FS,DT,CB, LB he could move down and get more picks.
If we move down I think players like Hageman/DT-Fuller/CB-Ward/FS-Pryor/FS all could come into play.
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I don't see that given that we have the record setting PR/KR from the CFL on our roster. Before we jump up and down saying that's the CFL, how will that be different or worse than drafting a KR/PR? I wouldn't mind having someone like Gilbert as an option on some returns.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=chris+...D3AE85533C90670
I think Gilbert is in play to be our first pick. If we dont draft him we will be drafting a RB/WR that will one of our later picks. We have Hixon also on the roster so we are not void at that position.
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I'm not saying he won't contribute, I'm just saying he won't be an immediate starter/impact player. Aside from safety, name one starting position on this roster that is up for grabs? Maybe DT, but Tommie Harris as a rookie didn't start until mid-season and we have Collins, Paea, Ratliff, and Houston moving inside. Upsets can happen, but it's not easy to unseat the veteran incumbents.
The cool part about signing Allen is that we now have enough depth on the d-line, that our #1 pick doesn't have to be an immediate starter.
If we draft a S with our first pick, I think I can guarantee he will be starting in his first year. If we grab Gilbert, he could be starting at slot CB spot. If we grab Donald would absolutely be in the rotation.
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There was similar angst for that HOF MLB...and rightfully so considering how much he was missed.
Urlacher would not have made a difference in our pitiful defense last year. I would suspect he wouldnt have played a full season. He was rated as one of the worst MLBs for shedding blocks in the league and with that shitty line we would be all talking about how he doesnt have it anymore. The dude couldnt run. Nobody in the league found valve in the great Urlacher. He was my favorite player in his prime but his days has passed several years ago. The only thing he would have brought was some leadership that would have helped the rookies learn faster but that is it.
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My cousin is a Vikings fan and he had this to say...
"Allen is an above average pass rusher who has made his money as a bum killer. He'll get 8 sacks in 3 games over the course of the season and 4 or 5 in the other 13"
That tells me they should line him up against RTs and let him feast against the lesser tackles of the league.
If I dont recall, that would lead our team in sacks any year he was in the league.
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Honestly, until this Jared Allen signing I've been noticing my Bears interest waning a little more than just the average offseason lull. The bloom is off the rose a bit with Emery, I wasn't seeing much good in our D's future, and I was starting to feel the old 'been-there-before' with respect to exciting new opportunities mixed with head scratcher decisions that ultimately just result in...average. Hard Knocks would guarantee my fandom back in top gear.
Hard knocks is to much of a distraction, Im hoping we dont get to the show. We have work to do and that show will derail our work.
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Immediately the best in the league? That's flat out crazy talk. Greg Olsen was getting similar attention going into the drafts and mocks had him going as high as number 8. He fell to the Bears at #31.
As for D-line and safety, the Bears have more draft picks to address that need if they desire. At this point I think we'd be drafting a guy who can challenge or be depth. Not necessarily a starter.
On a side note, this is how bad the Bears defense was/is: who is the best player on the Bears defense right now?
There is no way our first round pick is a depth player. We now have a luxury of drafting an impact player with our first pick. If he has his shit together Emery will draft a good if not great player that will contribute his first year and become a blue chip player in the next couple of years.
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Or AJ Pierzynski for the sox fans on board.
Thats what I was thinking too. Jared will get 2 years worth of snaps over 3 years. They will be smart with his time. There will be plenty of reps for all the DEs. Houston will play a lot of DT and everybody will be happy. I had to work 10 hours today so I am late to the party. I am willing to go out on a limb and say we are a top 10 in sacks this year. When they have our top rush line out then you leash a SMC on a rush and we start to kick ass. Our first pick in the draft will be a BPA type and Emery could go anywhere with that pick. I suspect it will be a S or CB, and maybe a DT. We still have needs everywhere but he will take the impact player we need and it could be anywhere. I personally would like to trade down in the 20's and keep the name Hageman on you mind because he is exactly the type of player he will draft if we move down.
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I'll definitely keep that in mind! Right now I'm just taking some business classes online, then I've got a summer job lined up for late May, gonna use that money I make to take a 3 week truck driving course (Where the hell has Twig been?), save up money doing that and hope to open a little restaurant in a few years.....Somewhere along the way I should have the money to take a little trip out there.
What kind of restaurant ?
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Well right now I'm taken some online classes so ya I'm around the laptop A LOT. Even when I'm doin other shit around the house I'll take the laptop with me.
Rugby starts up soon though so I'll be gone a lot....ya'll are gonna miss me
I have to say, your were right about the Band of Cutler, I thought no way we were doing that this year.
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I can go with Walters mock, I put a twist on the RD4 pick and added the 6th round picks. I am also predicting we sign a TE soon Owen Daniels ?
1 HaHa Clinton-Dix FS Alabama
2 Ego Fergusan DT LSU
3 Anthony Johnson DT LSU
4 Taylor Hart DE Oregon
5 Chris Sims RB W Virginia
6 Walt Aikens CB Liberty
6 James Morris ILB Iowa
There are still a few names out there(TE) and I would not doubt that at all. Daniels,Keller,Scheffler. The more I think about it the more we have a few signings left instead of one big one with the extra money we got from The Bank of Cutler.
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Atlanta will be disappointed with Hester as a WR. Let's roll the tape back a year where Hester was saying he just wanted to focus on one thing….returns. Now he says he wants to play some WR again. He only says he wants to play WR when there's a new contract involved. He was a good returner for us last year but he was not what he used to be. I think he'll have a good year returning kicks for Atlanta as well, maybe even grab a couple more TDs. I wish him the best unless it's against us.
As for him being faster and quicker on the turf in Atlanta….I'm pretty sure the coverage units will be faster and quicker too.
I think Hester did a good job last year, but he is not a 3 mil a year guy as some people purpose on here. The rule changes have made him ineffective on KRs anymore and on punts he makes to many fair catches and lets the ball drop to much. Just not the player he use to be and you have to ask u what thats worth. Obviously not much to us. Hope he does gets one more TD but he doesnt do it in bunches anymore, just not worth 3 mil.
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IMO I think they think MLB is a need position. Williams is just a one and done. Bostic is being groomed to take over Briggs spot, a highly important spot in our defense. Briggs is a good football player but think he is a tool I would have no problem if they moved on with out him. I think Bostic will be a good player just dont see it at MLB.