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Bennett also only played 60% of the snaps on Seattle's crowded DL. Plus he spent a lot of time playing inside as well
According to Rotowire, Peppers played 724 snaps while Bennett only played 569. Pep had 7.5 sacks, that's a sack every 96.5 snaps. Bennett had 8.5 sacks, that's a sack every 66.9 snaps....And again Bennett spent a a good deal of time playing inside....Comparing the 2 is a little silly and doesn't tell the whole story.
10M wouldn't be a mistake IMO.
The question is when he gets mucho snaps does that make him a stud or does he just look good. He had a hell of a defense he played with, he wasnt the OLs focus. Here he would be the man.The most he has had in a full season is 9, to me that doesnt seem worth the contract you suggested in the other post. A good player, for sure, a star, I dont seem getting a whole lot better. I want him to come here but dont think Emery will be willing to pay that much for him.
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That sucks, all great things come to an end. Sucks that he didn't get the record while playing for the Bears.... Wasn't one TD called back for a hold that looked OK on the replay??!!!
I think your right about the called back play
I think this is just his opinion, our local team writers have a better sense to this that Rapoport.
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With my recent talks of spending big on Bennett I figured I'd throw out an ideal mock offseason.
STARTING CAP MONEY- 8.4M (per Brad Biggs)
RELEASE (w/ Cap savings)
Peppers (9.8M)
Bush (1.8M)
Bennett (2.4)
Podlesh (1M)
(Kept Weems just because he's a good ST player and only clears a mill)
CAP MONEY AFTER CUTS- 23.4
EXTEND
Marshall 3 years 7M/12M/15M (saves 2M)
CAP MONEY AFTER EXTENSION- 25.4
SIGN (all numbers are cap hits)
Michael Bennett- 4 years 8m/10m/12m/14m (DE Seahawks)
Corey Wootton 1 year 1.5M
Nate Collins 1 year 500k
Jay Ratliff 2 years 2M/2.5M
DJ Williams 1 year 1M
Blake Costanzo 1 year 1M
Zack Bowman 2 years 1.5M/1.5M
Husain Abdulah 3 years 2M/3M/4M (SS Chiefs)
Matt Shaughnessy 2 years 2M/2.5M (DE Cards ((was used as a DE)) )
Josh McCown 2 years 2.5M/2.5M
Eben Britton 2 years 1M/1.5M
Joe Morgan 3 years 1M/1.5M/2M (WR Saints)
Total Cap Spending- 24M
TOTAL CAP SPACE LEFT- 1.4m
CAP NEEDED FOR DRAFT- 2, 019,139 (per Overthecap.com)
RESTRUCTURE
Cutler (convert 2M into cap money)
MONEY AFTER RESTRUCTURE 3.4m
DRAFT
1R Aaron Donald DT Pitt ( "a dream for teams that utillize a 3T DT" )
2R Keith McGill CB Utah (has been gaining steam since the combine, looks like a 2R pick)
3R Terrence Brooks FS Florida State (Competes and probably beats Conte for FS position)
4R Tyler Gaffney RB Stanford (Takes over the Bush role)
5R Deandre Coleman DT/DE Cal (Can be utilized as a Red Bryant type DE or inside at DT)
6R Jordan Navjar TE Baylor (Underutilized in Baylors O, transfer from TE U, soft hands, good blocker)
6R Best OL Available
DL Bennett-Donald-Paea/Ratliff/Coleman-Wootton/Shaughnessy/Coleman/Bass/Washington- Bennett and Donald are locks, the other 2 spots have good competition.
LB Briggs and then Williams, Bostic, and SMC battle for 2 spots
CB Jennings-McGill-Frey-Bowman-Hayden. Bowman showed he was capable incase McGill slips. Hayden competes with Frey for the nickle
FS Brooks/Conte. Phil said Conte would compete for the job so I didn't spend money or a top 2 pick on the position. Brooks probably wins the job, Conte stays for depth
SS Abdullah/?- Alright so I left a spot open here....Derrick Martin is a safety though correct?
Isn't exactly young like Phil said....But it just kinda shows that we can build a D even with spending big money on Bennett.
As much as you were detail oriented, we wont be dipping into Cutlers contract(defeats the purpose of doing it)
if Bennett is that expensive, he wont be here(I would like him here, just dont see Phil spending that much on him)
we wont be bringing in Joe Morgan, we have Wilson and several options with future contracts(think Cris Williams)
if they play with the cap money and wait to cut Peppers we can add another 4 1/2 mil to the pie
I dont think they will give 5 mil to McCown( to much money tied up in QBs, they will find another McCown type to fill the spot)
I like your names but would prefer Stevie Brown to Husain
I prefer other Ss before I would get to Brooks--- Bucannon,Reynolds, and Bailey
You did a good job with this, but suspect things will fall different, Phil is full of surprises
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How can you not like Whitner? Dude has always been good against the run and last year he was was one of the better safeties in the league in coverage.
TT doesnt like anybody, so dont let his opinion bother you.
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Here is a latest mock from NFL Mocks. It doesnt address the DT spot quick enough but if we resign Melton, Ratliff, and another FA Dt this draft would work.
http://nflmocks.com/2014/03/03/chicago-bea...2014-nfl-draft/
Here is the lasted Mock draft from GBND site that are run by ex scouts.
http://www.gbnreport.com/3-roundprojection.html
This isnt the most mass information type site like a Walters, or Draft Tex, but do like what they have to say.
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Since the best draft teams take the BPA regardless of position.
What if? one of the 3 OTs fall to us-Robinson-Mathews-Lewan (getting a top 10 LT that would move Bushrod to the right side, cant be all bad for a improving OL)
What if? Barr or Mack drop to us- they are both 3-4 OLBers.( consistent top10 players that can rush the QB but are strictly 3-4 backers)
What if? Watkins or Evans drops to us( these are elite type WRs and not sure we could pass them up)
I would not like to consider any of those possibilities, but one of those situations could come up.
I would think someone would be willing to give us lots of draft picks to grab one of those top 10 type players. That would be my choice and then address the D with those picks.
What say you
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I would love that draft and also the Matt S. signing, spot on.
Here is a latest mock from NFL Mocks. It doesnt address the DT spot quick enough but if we resign Melton, Ratliff, and another FA Dt this draft would work.
http://nflmocks.com/2014/03/03/chicago-bea...2014-nfl-draft/
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Worilds is a really good player IMO, he had 7 sacks in the 2nd half of the season, your point remains though.
The more I think about it I think the Bears cap situation is getting a little over blown though. Like Emery said they're rolling in money(or something to that extent).
the ~20M number I brought up in the previous post is actually "short changing them".
Biggs said they have roughly 8.4M right now.
8.4M
+9.8M (Peppers)
+2.45M (Bennett) ((Could potentially see them extending him to lessen his cap))
+1.85M (Bush)
+1M (Podlesh)
+1.1M (Weems)
= 24.6M in cap space....And that's BEFORE potentially dipping into Cutler/Jennings/Slaussons money, AND the possibility exists that the Bears extend BMarsh to gain another mill or 2.
Bears very well could spend close to 30M this year, and with the O pretty much intact that all could go towards the D.
Even if Bennetts market drives him up to the 10M I think I'd do it.
No way they pay Bennett 10 mil to come here. Peppers was effective in 3 and a half games and had the same number of sacks. If his price is driven up, we are out. I hope we can get him done at a contract of 3 years 25 mil with 5 going against the cap this year. We absolutely need a good DE coming out of the FAgency period. We have nothing at DE when we release Peppers. If we designate him for the June 1 release it will 14 mil in available cap space.
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Agree with Freeman not having his head in the game. Which brings us to what Trestman looks for: In McCown we had a guy on his last stint in the NFL. He was experienced, yet humbled. He accepted the fact that he was not their to replace Jay Cutler, he needed to work well alongside Jay Cutler. McCown understood the west coast, worked his ass off and did exactly what the coaches told him.
In short, we need a washed up quarterback with a final chance a redemption. I wouldn't want him back because of his history, but Rex Grossman would be an ideal fit.
Jordan Palmer has never had the talent or pedigree. You don't want to risk going into the season with any rookie as your #2 QB. Follow the format we did with McCown and find a veteran.
How does Palmer not fall in the same position that Josh was in? Josh had more games played, but both guys have had lackluster careers. His last college football season, Jordan had 67% ,3500 yards and 26 TDs. He has some ability and there is a reason he keeps hanging around our team. I think he gets his shot at role #2.
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I agree, we should cut Michael Bush and if we do we must sign another RB to take carries off Forte but that can't be one of these little guys. If we grab Thomas or Archer they can't block blitzers so they are purely a speed element on the outside. In other words they'd replace Ford, or just hold down Hester's spot on the roster and Ford is inactive most games. Either way we need someone bigger to share the load the load with Forte. I'd be very happy to see Ka'Deem Carey fall to us in the 4th. I don't care that he ran a 4.7 forty at the combine I've seen enough to know what he can do on the field, including enough speed to break long runs, and he is not easy to tackle.
http://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/2013...ideo-highlights
The littles guys I suggest arent replacing Bushes role, but filling a different one. I think this role could get 10-15 plays a game and takes some of the wear off of Forte. The big back theory hasnt worked, I would rather have Forte at the goal line. We still have a fullback on the roster, and give him some of those carries in short runs.
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He wasn't tagged, obviously. I think Ward is more realistic. Either way, the safeties on the team don't belong on nfl rosters, Let alone starting.
There are many less expensive options than those two.
Delmars
Whitner
Cleamons
Bethea
Brown- this is my choice to go after-had a great 2012 but was injured last year-the youngest of this group
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I'm probably the biggest advocate of OL and offense on this board, but even I recognize that 9/10 of this offseason needs to be defense.
Now that the Center position is locked up, the only real addition I want to see on offense is a mid/late round draft pick (i.e. McCarron in the 4th).
A potential field stretcher at WR (although this is low priority) would be nice. So, too, would a change-of-pace RB who can hit the homerun. Maybe a promising backup OG/C late.
Right now, however, I think it should be DT/DE/LB/S until there aren't other options. And if Peanut leaves, add CB to that list.
Your positions are correct for drafting in the 1st 4 rounds but after that , I wouldnt have any problem if in the next 3 spots we took a QB,RB and TE. The key to all speculation is who we sign in FAgency,which is a week away.
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Still think we have the money for Bennett... I doubt he gets paid like a top 5 DE. Looking at the top 5 paid DEs, Chris Long is 5th on that list, in his first year his cap hit was 8.5. Long was a year younger and at least sack wise (which isn't everything) was the more productive player.
I think with the cap inflation the Bears can get him for around that same figure, and perhaps a little less.
I looked at all the DEs in the league and I think with his ability he will be anywhere from 6.5 to 8.5. Where the problem comes in is if one teams thinks he is worth the top end of that range, which I think will price him out of our budget.
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Didnt know where to put this, so just went new.
Orakapo has been tagged as well as Hardy earlier.
That leaves Bennett
Houston
Johnson
as top level DEs that are left.
I suspect they all get greater offers than we will suspect.
SO we should target a FA of lesser valve or resign Wootten and grab one in the draft.
We have to resign a couple of our own FAs and then fill in with some cheaper FAs because the draft will only bring us probably one quality recruit to start.
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Fair enough people, I just think he has a ton of talent and if anyone can get it out of him it should be Marc Trestman. HE should be calling the Bears and begging to work with Marc.
I think we WILL draft a QB so having 4 QBs is a luxury.
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Depending on how the Bears see Rosario as a pass catcher I'm on board for bringing in another TE.
Of course it shouldn't come at the sacrifice of the D but that should be a given.
A cheap FA or late round still gives us many spots to fill defense
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The why not is because that same thing can be said about actual positions of need.
Why not add another DT, DE, LB, S? Or for that matter, your other thread about RBs too. A good backup RB is WAY more important than a 3rd TE. Same goes for a 3rd player at just about any position. I'd much rather see a 3rd QB than a 3rd TE.
The simple fact is, another TE is a luxury the Bears cannot afford for more the barest of minimums.
you make a good point but I dont consider Rosario a #2, he would be my 3. A two TE set with another good passing option would add a lot to our developing offense. I say all of this with the thought that we resign Melton, Ratliff, and possibly Wootten.
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Call me crazy but if McCown isn't back I'd like to see them take a shot at Josh Freeman and then perhaps take a guy in the 5th or 6th, namely I like Jeff Mathews out of Cornell.
Ok I will, I think we bring back Palmer as our experienced vet and draft a guy to work with. If Freeman had anything going for him he would have least had shown something in his stint in Minn.
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I think the possiblity exists but with a deeper draft, teams wont be paying so much to move up.
I think Melton does come back on a incentive laden contract. We need the depth and his potential
We will be bringing in a QB prospect because I dont think Josh takes the money we offer.
I think McCellin is a better LB than DE but wont be playing much. Will be cut after this year.
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1. Bennett
2. Rosario
3. Who cares
The Bears don't need to waste time/money/picks on another TE. Bennett will be in on 99% of plays anyway. The other few plays go to a guy like Rosario, who has the resume to be a suitable backup, and serves as a good blocker when needed.
The Bears have more important holes at other positions to worry about a 3rd TE.
Its not a priority but think we fill that spot some where, why not add some one that can make a two TE set more of a danger,Britton filled that role last year as a blocker. A late round pick will not be starting who ever we pick.
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Forte has been a very good player for us but will be 29 during this football season. RBs start to hit the wall once they hit 1500 carries and Matt is at 1506, with 341 receptions.
I think they start to take some of the carries away as they try to get two more years out from him and diversify the offense a little more in its second year.
I dont think we go after anybody in FA, we will cut Bush(to much money).
We have Ford, and will remain one of our backups but think we draft a compliment player to Forte.
I think it will only be a 6th round type that will be able to be a backup RB and also play some slot WR.
If Thomas/Ore or Archer/KS last until the 6th round, we will make that selection to add speed and another dimension to our offense.
other late round possibilities
McKinnon/GS- has some speed and was a productive college RB
Perkins/MSU- has some speed and can catch the ball out of backfield
Josey/Miso- some speed, and was a productive player on a high end offense in college
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We still have a spot to fill as an effective TE in our #2 Slot
Options in FAgency: Jeff Cumberland/Jets- young with upside
Garrett Graham/Hou- young and can catch the ball
Quarlles/GB--young has shown some upside
Draft: C.J. Fiedorowicz/Iowa- I think our first 3 picks will all be defense, but from the 4th on anything goes
Rodgers/Cal- good athlete,speed, good upside
Grimble/USC- good athlete, can catch the ball, good upside,speed
Lynch/Geo-can block and shown he can catch the ball
Gilmore/CS-impressed at Senoir Bowl- I think we draft him in 5th if we dont get a FA
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I think Emery is not going to be willing to spend the money on our backup. McCown probably gets a 2 year 4 to 5 mil and is to rich for Bears.Some one drafting a rookie QB will pay to get insurance.
teams for McCown: TB, they could use a good backup with Glennon still developing on the job, plenty of cap space, Lovie throws a dig to the Bears organisation, closer to home
Jacksonville,they will draft a QB and Josh would be a good fall back if the rookie needs time to grow, closer to home,plrnty of cap space
FA options: I think Jordon Palmer comes back on a vet min deal
AND we draft a developmental QB
4th round and below; A.J. McCarren/Ala
Aaron Murray/Geo
Logan Thomas/VT
Brett Smith/Wyo
Fales/SJS
Wennings/BS
I think we end up with Murray in 5th or Wennings is 6th
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Perfect no-risk signing. Reportedly he was healthy by the end of the season so he will have a full offseason to workout and learn the new defense.
We need to find a lot of min salary guys, so we can at least make a couple of pricey moves in FAgengy.
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I think the only way they dip into Cutler money is a last resort, and with your scenario,leaving Morgan and Blake out takes care of that.
I think you put together a good arrangement but just dont think Phil we go big with Bennett, and going after Morgan, although after reading about him, may have some upside.