Watching Countdown, Tom Jackson and Ditka endorsed Trestman. Ditka stated, "Can't win with Cutler". Not new news, but damn...

I loved Ditka when he was here,but he has turned into a bubbling idiot. He supported Ray Rice, Peterson, and says some of the stupidous comments in football today.

I never get the dislike for Ted Philips. The guy runs franchise for the owners but has no day-to-day football operations oversight. I really don't care who he gets to run the concessions at Soldier Field, or what he charges for parking, or who advertises with the team. If it's hate because he signed Emery as GM after Angelo? I guess I get that but we weren't always a horrible team under JA and Lovie. We did got to a Superbowl.

 

Then again, I'm not as down on Emery as everyone else is. I see him bringing in two Pro Bowl WRs when we hadn't had one in a decade. Pro Bowl OG. Re-signing a Pro Bowl RB. First draft sucked but the last two I see starters (Fuller, Long, Bostic, Mills?); future starters or at least solid rotation players (Ferguson, Sutton, Wilson); and a few that look like they'll be decent backups (Greene, Carey, and Washington, and maybe Leno). Don't see much from Fales or Vereen down the road. In the last two drafts I think our depth has improved but it's all very young and inexperienced. Free Agency hasn't been all bad either: Slausson, Bushrod, Young, Martellus, McCown, DLP, Ola, UDFAs -- Al Louis-Jean and Christian Jones. Houston is not looking so good right now, neither is Allen but Allen has played well just not great and not up to the contract we signed him to.

 

So, as I see it, all roads of hatred lead back to Cutler and his contract. Philips approved it (I don't think he was involved other than to say how much cash on hand we had). Emery devised it. Trestman supported it. Trestman and coaches went behind Cutler's back to complain about him and here we are today. There is a clear disconnect though between GM and coaches regarding Cutler so something, or everything, is going to give.

 

I'm patiently waiting for the show to begin and I agree, it could reach all levels. I'm on board with Rex Ryan as HC. If nothing else I'll get to smile when I watch his press conferences. I'd be very interested in who he wants to bring in as OC. He has the clout to bring in a big name too IMO. I still like Todd Bowles too. I'm not sure he's ready but word is he's going to get a few phone calls this offseason so it's probably this year or next he gets a shot at HC.

I think we need to hire Shanahan as our chief, and have him hire a defensive minded coach. Bowles, Ryan or Del Rio would do me just fine.

I never get the dislike for Ted Philips. The guy runs franchise for the owners but has no day-to-day football operations oversight. I really don't care who he gets to run the concessions at Soldier Field, or what he charges for parking, or who advertises with the team. If it's hate because he signed Emery as GM after Angelo? I guess I get that but we weren't always a horrible team under JA and Lovie. We did got to a Superbowl.

 

Then again, I'm not as down on Emery as everyone else is. I see him bringing in two Pro Bowl WRs when we hadn't had one in a decade. Pro Bowl OG. Re-signing a Pro Bowl RB. First draft sucked but the last two I see starters (Fuller, Long, Bostic, Mills?); future starters or at least solid rotation players (Ferguson, Sutton, Wilson); and a few that look like they'll be decent backups (Greene, Carey, and Washington, and maybe Leno). Don't see much from Fales or Vereen down the road. In the last two drafts I think our depth has improved but it's all very young and inexperienced. Free Agency hasn't been all bad either: Slausson, Bushrod, Young, Martellus, McCown, DLP, Ola, UDFAs -- Al Louis-Jean and Christian Jones. Houston is not looking so good right now, neither is Allen but Allen has played well just not great and not up to the contract we signed him to.

 

So, as I see it, all roads of hatred lead back to Cutler and his contract. Philips approved it (I don't think he was involved other than to say how much cash on hand we had). Emery devised it. Trestman supported it. Trestman and coaches went behind Cutler's back to complain about him and here we are today. There is a clear disconnect though between GM and coaches regarding Cutler so something, or everything, is going to give.

 

I'm patiently waiting for the show to begin and I agree, it could reach all levels. I'm on board with Rex Ryan as HC. If nothing else I'll get to smile when I watch his press conferences. I'd be very interested in who he wants to bring in as OC. He has the clout to bring in a big name too IMO. I still like Todd Bowles too. I'm not sure he's ready but word is he's going to get a few phone calls this offseason so it's probably this year or next he gets a shot at HC.

Phillips can keep his job as an account but have no say so on hires. The reason I want Emery gone is not his drafts but him choosing Trestman over Airians, paying Cutler, Marshall, Allen. Those 3 are guaranteed 38.5 mil. for next year. He has made some franchise killing decisions for the next few years. He hit on a few draft picks but has more bad that good.

Agreed, and he brings good leadership the teams needs right now, plus he can play guard if there's an injury. I just hope they really make it a competition for his spot.

his leadership this year doesnt appear to have an effect on a lousy team. He needs to be gone, De La Puente is in place to take over, 5 years younger and already signed for next year.

Balta made a good post over on soxtalk about how the Garza signing could just be them using up money left on this years cap so it really could be insignificant when it comes to next year

having everybody gone is only the first step, getting it right going forward is the key.

I think Shanny would be perfect for this team IF they wanna stick with an offensive minded head coach.

 

Everyone wants this team to run the ball more, a Shanny lead team will do that.

 

His teams success in the run game came large in part to his zone blocking scheme, Bears OL already implements one.

 

If Jay is our QB next year I see zero problem with having a guy as the head coach who was able to get something solid out of him. Not sure how that equals catering to him.

 

All that said I want a defensive minded guy to come in here and fix the D. Todd Bowles is the guy I'm lookin at.

 

Bowles, had a lot of guys get hurt this year and his D is still phenomenal.

I think Shanahan could come in an over see operations and hire a defensive head coach, Bowles is the first name to come to mind, then I would have to throw in Del Rio would be next on my list. He has previous experience some success and being in Denver may have given him a perspective on the balance of good defense and good offense.

Lovie didn't have the history of Austin when he was brought in. Named coaches are good for rebuilding, but most coaches don't succeed on their second or third run.

 

Arians is the coach ppl name that should have been brought in over Trestman. He was successful with one of the best QBs in the league in Indy Austin was also an interm coach and went 2-1 when he was with a team that fired their coach before.

 

3 Super Bowl experience as a position coach and turned around a D that we have seen break down when it matters. Detriots O sucks, their D is why they were in the playoffs and why he is a great candidate.

It was Bowles that runs the defense not taking away Arians present as a leader. Lovie was never a head coach before so if someone wants head coaching experience, that doesnt compare.

I had an interesting conversation from a person that spent some time with the team. I'm not naming my source, but...

 

On Trestman: Knows offense like crazy. Runs an ultra soft camp. Players were actually lobbying to hit more. Some pleading to the staff that they needed contact. Practices lacked intensity. Offense completely dominated the defense.

 

On talent: Cutler is a stud. Of all the QB's he's played with, Cutler was the best at running practice and making sure players were in the right position and accountable. Quoted, "dude is misunderstood", "good teammate", "leader I would follow", "hard worker".

 

Marshall, Bennett, Jeffery and Forte are talented in that order. We all know about Marshall, but it was said that Bennett is a beast. Probably the 2nd best "all around" TE in football.

 

Eric Weems: Team misses him. Held ST together

 

Hester: Team scratching head. They all knew how good he still is. TeamlLost some heart when he left.

 

Peppers: Team understood the math, but see Hester.

 

Briggs: No comment

 

Conte: Softest safety he's seen. Doesn't like contact. Fast with good instincts in passing game, but...

 

Vereen: Clueless with no instincts. Doesn't understand how he was 3rd rounder. Didn't even game plan against him when he was at U of Minnesota.

 

The team has good individual talent but lacks direction. Again, stated Trestman was a good offensive coach and the O destroyed the D.

 

All said, I'm wondering if our D was so bad that the offense had nothing to work against. Remember how they used to say our defense made our offense better? Haven't heard that this year from anyone.

So diod he park cars or was the washroom attend. Nothing you stated was a suprise.

Saddest part is the sign that Emery is returning. That guy has not place in a front office.

I agree, that had to come from Emery. We have a younger guy in place in De La Peunte, this is just so Bears of the current regime. Lame Lame Lame

Alright everyone, let predict who goes...

I say all the coaching staff and emery. Emery has to go... He obviously missed on his first rd pick on his first draft. He completely over-paid for citlers contract when he could have used the franchise tag ( which has been brought up numerous times). He brought in some complete busts on the defensive side of the ball the last two yrs. He tends to get cute with his draft picks and acts as if he is out smarting everyone when really he's only out smarting himself. Most of all the fact that arians and mccoy are doing decent this yr and they were the two he passed up. Not to mention the ridiculously stupid things he put the coaches through when interviewing them... how can all of this be ignored when he isn't even 4 years in?

I think they clean house on all the coaches, and bring someone in to insert to over see football operations and keep Emery in a lesser power role. I prefer him gone, but probably wont happen. I think to key to all of this is to strike right away an hour after the game is over with. It they pussy foot around like usually the same kind of crap will happen again.

Some people are ready to see Cutler back next year. That's fine, everyone is welcome to their own opinion. I just want to understand how you come to this conclusion. Convince me on why Jay Cutler should be the Chicago Bears QB in 2015.

 

I don't want stats. I don't want contract details. I don't want physical traits like a strong arm. I don't care about relationships with players. I don't want to hear about quarterback carousels or potential replacements. I want to know where he excels to you.

 

What are the positive aspects you see in Jay Cutler's play? What, in your eyes, does he do on the field that separates him from average quarterback? What actual parts of his on field play makes you think that he is the guy?

 

Help me understand where you are coming from. I'm talking along the lines of ball placement, reading defense, making progressions, mechanics, decision making, being clutch and so on.

I simply want someone running the football aspect of the Bears to make that decision, has to be new voices. There is not any options that could be better than Cutler, if the new football czar chooses to keep him around for one more year while we completely change the dynamic of this once proud franchise. Im all in on completely redoing everything, but that may not be the best way to do ala the new czsars decision to make not mine.

Thank you Lance. Not for the past 2 years, but for every before that.

I agree with that, he has sucked the last two years, had some good years, but kind of a pud outside of football, still a Bear to have memories with.

Trestman is such an idiot. Play the damn kid, you don't want to win this game!

 

Hopefully Cutler is still shell shocked and throws up a couple more INT's to Harrison Smith.. I believe they are 7 point favorites if I'm not mistaken. So at least we have that going for us.

 

As mentioned before, if we win, the best case scenario is still for New Orleans to win against Tampa (which should happen), Atlanta to beat Carolina, and the Giants to beat Philly. I think the odds are in our favor that at least 1 of the 3 will happen, and my guess is 2 of them will. If that's the case, the Bears would be drafting #9.

Why would Trestman care, he knows he's gone. The worst case scenario for this awful year is Cut;er throws for 4 tds, 330 yards and gets hurt on the last play of the game but we still win. thusly going from #7 to #12 in the draft.

Lovie didn't have the history of Austin when he was brought in. Named coackes are good for rebuilding, but most coaches don't succeed on their second or third run.

 

Arians is the coach ppl name that should have beern brought in over Trestman. He was successful with one of the best QBs in the league in Indy Austin was also an interm coach and went 2-1 when he was with a team that fired their coach before.

 

3 Super Bowl experience as a position coach and turned around a D that we have seen break down when it matters. Detriots O sucks, their D is why they were in the playoffs and why he is a great canidate.

He took over a team with a ton of talent, doesnt make him special as a coach. We need to get it right this time.

Readin defenseses, progressing though reads and so on Clausen looked better today.

 

If Clausend looked better, than it;s glaring faults in Cutler.

 

The run plays. Cutler got his audible ability taken away for one game, because he kept checking to the wrong play earlier in the year. THey would often call a play that would be run or pass, and the call would be based on the d.

 

Cutler ran the D wrong al year, so you can't say they called a different game nand ran more, until you know if those were the calls, clausen let those plays develop or the coaches wanted a different play.

Claussen didnt do anything special, just didnt look terrible. I am off the Cutler bandwagon but there will be not much in options. We might find someone that wont turn the ball over as much, which would be better, but terrible choices is he leaves.

Stupid is as stupid does...

 

The ownership needs to stop this old boys network of pals n bros and bring in football people.

your spot on, I dont care if they keep Phillips and make him the bookkeeper but take any power away from him for football operations. We need George to turn the franchise over to and not necessarily Holgrem (dont care if I spelled it right). In Phillips watch he doubled the worth of the Bear Dynasty but just isnt a football guy.

If they get a 2nd or even a 3rd for him I'd be shocked

To add fuel to the fire, just heard on the Score that that scenario is very possible but with a twist, just heard that part of the trade we would have to give a high draft pick ( a second) to a team taking Cutlers salary to offset the cost. So (this is my injection into the statements made) Lets say to Tenn we give a second and Cutler for a 4th rounder to make the deal work. Adam Schefter reported one football executive stated that for teams to take on Cutlers salary we have to give a high draft pick to boot.

 

IF that is the case screw trading Cutler, why not just cut him , live with our mistake and get a football czar in here to clean up this trainwreck which is the Bears.

Interestingly enough I'd agree with this. Something tells me that if Trestman goes away and another were to have a chance with Cutler maybe...just maybe he could prove me wrong. Truly, as much as I've banged on Cutler I would really like to see him succeed. Who knows, once Trestman is gone then some of the skeletons will come out of the closet and we'll hear what the real reasons why the team is as bad as it is. If the removal involves Emery, better yet.

 

But...if Clausen does come out for these last two games and do well, then I'll have to think twice.

thats not going to happen, Clausen isnt very good.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HNKzKf2i9B8

I like to hear people be honest

I would love Mariotta. Want nothing to do with Winston's dumb stupid ass.

Mariotta will never be an elite Qb in the NFL. One stat will tell you his limit on success at the next level.On passes of over 15 yards he is 11 for 31. If you cant make accurate throws down field, he will end up being Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Landon Collins is gonna get a lot of mentions around these parts, but give me Holliman.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000042...a-young-ed-reed

 

I agree with Adam, give me a S, CB, OT in the first 3 rounds.

 

Depending on how Louis-Jean and C. Jones play down the stretch we could see CB become less of a need and LB become more of a need.

He is a sophomore can he be in this draft?

I would rather get the higher draft pick and a new coaching staff so losing out doesn't bother me.

 

Peace

I dont think we need to worry about them winning, they could easily lose out. There that out of whack. As a present and future Bears fan, I want a high draft pick.

I havent been on here much during the season, am caught up i FF and Draftkings betting. Instead of going through all these threads to catch up, will just share my thoughts here.

 

The Bears are just bad, all the optimist of last year and the offseason has took a nosedive. They still could make the playoffs if they win out, but odds are that are slim to none.

Trestman has lost his team and the great offensive mind is coaching scared.

Cutler is just a turnover prone QB with a great arm and questionable decisions.

The one bright spot is Matt Forte, enough said there.

Were no longer playing downfield, now in to the dink and dunk formation with a 25 million dollar QB.

Defense has moments but have lousy LB play, a on again off again DL. The safeties are terrible,and all of the bad affects the play of ok CBs.

Coaching has flown south, we need to lose out to at least get in better draft position, but will go 8-8, 7-9 and be forever mediocre.

Emery has made some descent decisions but has plenty bad to go with it.

It starts with who hired Emery(need to go), the coach, everything needs to be redone.

Its not going to happen but we need a football czar type to be brought in and blow everything up.

None of this will happen, so we will long suffer with mediocrity.

We have some talent to start with but need 3 years of good drafts to right this ship, and I dont trust Emery to do that.

 

I hate to align myself with the TTs and Grzzlies of this website, but Im agreeing with alot of the negative side of the Bears.

 

 

Weather...

 

Sports radio guys are mostly idiots.

I dont find that to be true, listen to the score quite a bit and besides being entertained, I find some good insight. They have to fill hours of time everyday and do have some lame stuff come out of there mouth, but to blanket that all sports radio guys are idiots, says a lot about you.

He cried because he felt he should have been a higher draft pick...and then got bullied after he arrived.

 

I would love to have him back.

We dont need retreads we need to let the young guys play and give us a future, no future with Benson.