Stinger226
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000034...ers-trade-block
I'd send the Niners a 6th rd pick for him. That dude was/is fast as hell. Great change of pace.
I dont think we will be getting rid of any of our picks. In a later round they will grab a RB more to there liking.
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I'm confused as to why so many of you are okay with our current DT's. Jay Ratliff will be 33. He sits out an entire year, plays in 5 games, and he's done for the season. Nate Collins is a nice back-up. Not a starter. In 3 seasons, all Paea has proven is that he's a nice back-up. Not a starter.
I can't argue that if there's a high level of talent it's possible we take two defensive tackles. But man we have a lot of needs.
Its an area of need, but so are other positions. In one off season you cant completely rebuild a roster. Say Tillman gets hurt then what? Williams gets hurt again? We have so many needs you have to fill several spots, a DT in the first 3 rounds and later spot gives us two more bodies. That's the best we can hope for.
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Ok cool, I will make a sticky, add names to teams, and once we have all 32, we can start.
Just let me know which teams you are "interested" in managing.
Everybody will want the Bears, so do some number system and make it random, It doesnt matter what team I take.
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One thing I don't understand is how Tuitt is considered a second round player. Compare his game numbers and combine results with any of the other prospects and he is a top 3 or 4 DT. Early mocks had him in the top half on draft boards too. Even when Nix was lost for most of the season, Tuitt still played well despite being the target on the line. If he makes it to round two, Emery better get on the phone.
Truitt could be our first pick. I dont think with all the mocks out there you can really use that information for a basis of what will actually happen. The best at guessing gets maybe 8 right. The ones I think know what there doing get more of the top 32 players right and not necessarily to the right teams. He is rated high on many boards, but if we go DT in the first we will be addressing S and CB in the next couple of picks.
DT- We have Ratliff,Collins, Paea, Izzy will see time there and also Houston, so we wont be drafting two DTs high, maybe another one in the last few rounds, but were in descent shape this year. Ratliff is coming off and injure as well as Collins, but with Izzy and Houston we are not completely dry at the position.
It wouldnt be bad if we got two in the first two rounds, but there is enough depth there to add a body at NT in the 4th or higher rounds. We may not even address the DT position until the 3rd round. What I want is the best player available at a defensive position. OLB and DE are the only two we can get by with if we dont draft those positions. Do not discount MLB, if is a need position,as well as S,CB,DT. Those all could be addressed in the first four rounds, and then we will take the best prospects at any position. We need youth at all positions, so he could go anywhere with those picks.
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Anyone interested in doing a community Mock Draft? We did one a few years ago and it was pretty successful. We can each pick a few teams and start picking until the draft starts and go as far as we can go.
Just let me know a head of time and Im in.
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Damnit. I can't remember the source but I recently read that on average, in the NFL, only 7% of players drafted made an official visit to the team that drafted them.
That sounds about right. I can't remember us drafting any player that visited since Devin Hester. I think D Manning may have also visited that same year.
I'm thinking the Northwestern guys like Wootton would not have counted in that statistic because of their locality.
At least for the last two years, I can't think of a single player we drafted that was publicly on our radar beforehand. Usually the media jumps o the story. Like the team met the player and it was love at first sight . . .
It may not guarantee anything but if either puts them on or takes them off of our board on draft day.
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Not to mention David Bass and Cornelius Washington. We are incredibly deep at DE yet woefully weak at DT. I'm wondering if we plan on playing Izzy at DT.
It's my personal belief that our lack of movement at the DT position convinces me we are locked in on taking one at #14. Be it Donald, Jerigan, or Hageman. We want our #1 draft pick to perform like Kyle Long did last year. The quickest way to do that is to remove competition.
DT is the only position we have no depth. We have enough safeties that I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't draft one. I'm not saying they are any damn good (although I personally still think Conte could be really good) but we have a lot of them. Most are experienced NFL players.
I know it sounds crazy that we would lock ourselves in on one position when the best safety may be available. But we did draft Kyle Long at the #20 spot. He was the EIGHTH offensive lineman selected. And he's damn good. It could be that we see enough depth at the position.
Feel free to call me crazy but I'm convinced our lack of depth at the position solidifies that we are going DT in round #1.
Houston will take snaps inside and Izzy will almost strickly play there. We will be taking at least one,maybe two. It might not be with 14th, but one of our first 3 for sure.
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One of those football abilities that matters a lot is accurate passing. I still think Tebow was a very good football player in the category you describe and could have been a good H-back type or perhaps a TE. He was not and is not a good QB.
Jordan Lynch, who is also a very good football player, has followed a similar path through college. He is not fast either but he is quick and may actually play faster than he was timed. At least the videos seem to confirm that IMO. Regardless, Lynch, at just 6 feet tall and 217lbs, does not have the frame Tebow does (at 6' 3" and 240lbs).
I don't know if Lynch is interested in switching positions, and if he is I'm not sure to what. I suppose he could be a FB type because we know he can run out of the backfield plus he is versatile enough to catch passes which he did in games. I just have no clue if he can block. I assume the Bears interest in him is as a UDFA QB and nothing else.
Louis Nix was brought in for a visit.
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At the same time, there is a reason track stars don't automatically transition into the NFL. Football abilities mean a lot. You get a team full of superstar 40-yd dash warriors and they'll get beat all day by a team full of pretty good athletes who are just damn good football players.
I am referring to football players. You have two with the same traits, one runs a 440 and one runs a 460, who do you think gets the look? When looking at prospects I look at production, football sense, work habits and then athletic traits. I like everything about Lynch, but with a lack of speed it limits what he can do in transferring to other positions in the NFL.
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I agree, then the same could be said for QB, CB (Tillman/Jennings), WR (Marshall), LB (Briggs), etc. Kind of silly.
I too am cooling on Donald in the 1st. I would much rather go with the top Safety or CB if we can't get the "right" guy on the DLine. Obviously it would be nice to trade back to pick up another pick but as Emery has said, you rarely get the same value when you do that.
The point of the article was if we trade down our extra picks can fill other needs. And like everybody says we need many spots filled. 50% of the first round picks are busts. So its all a crap shoot. I see us trading down and different names will be in place down there. My pick if it was my choice would be Pryor, as much as I like Donald, he will not be a good run defender which would put him into a role as a pass rusher, something he does very well. I want someone in the first round being a starter from day 1.
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Williams may run a 4.28 in shorts but I don't see that speed on the field in pads. Hester was also crazy quick when he started out, I don't see that same trait in Williams. I think he can be just as good a returner for us this year as what Hester gave us last year.
I dont think anyone thinks he will be the next Hester, just do a descent job and have a few longs ones along the way.
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This article is exactly what I see happening in the draft this year.
As the article suggests, the more tap I watch on Donald the more I see him not handling the run in the NFL.Gilbert has all the tools but dont see having the savy to star in the league.
As it states, I see us dropping down and either grabbing the players they mention or a S such as Ward or even a Bucannon. I doubt if Pryor will be there.
http://nflmocks.com/2014/04/13/chicago-bea...back-nfl-draft/
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His accuracy is because of bad footwork, that can be worked on. His quickness and decision making can improve with condfidence. He is very raw because he was recruited as a TE in college. Didn't play the position until 2010. I think he is perfect to groom. He is also durable and played 40 straight games.
I suspect you say those things about any recruit, but I was just going by things Ive read.
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Straight line speed and elusiveness are two different traits. That's why Hester ( and Deion for that matter) was so good. He had both. And the benefit of a good ST coordinator in Toub. What's done is done. If Williams can get through to the open field then all bets are off.
Hester was probably the best ever, but to be honest, he made a lot of bad decisions along the way. His TDs superseded that but not effective anymore.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,1276907.story
Looks like we will be having a new KR/PR since Hester signed with the Falcons. But do you think this Chris Williams can have a big impact in the return game as Hester did. This kid runs a 4.28 40 yard dash. The Bears must have big plans for him they paid him $100,000 last year to be on the practice squad
We all can be hopeful, Hesters gone, and not viable anymore, so lets get behind the next guy in line, Im all in.
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Excellent website, thanks for posting the link.
Been watching Kyle Fuller,and that kid can play. Obviously videos are put together to show the good aspects of a player, but he definitely stands out.
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I still kinda wanna wait a year or 2, or 3 on a rookie QB. Jay is here for 3 years (at least), rookies are signed for 4. If we wait a year (or 2, or 3) then that gives us more time to reap the benefits of have a QB who's making nearly nothing.
Gimme Freeman/Grossman/Kolb/Garrard/Flynn
If a rookie comes in and doesnt get much playing time, how is he going to be getting a good contract 4 years later?
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Found a website that just shows flim of to be drafted players.
I was watching Pryor against FCU and Storm Johnson looked real good.
Check out some players, Im painting my kitchen and it bores me so I found this site.
Was watching my two favorite players Pryor and Donald, Pryor isnt perfect at S but he sure is an aggressive guy, not as good, but reminds me of Troy P. Also just noticed, Donald gets manhandled in the run game, but can sure go after QBs.
I am starting to think, he may be to small to be an every down DT. More of a rotational pass rusher, but does that very well.
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Found a website that just shows flim of to be drafted players.
I was watching Pryor against FCU and Storm Johnson looked real good.
Check out some players, Im painting my kitchen and it bores me so I found this site.
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That remains to be seen, I'll be a little shocked and disappointed if Briggs starts the year on the DL. Don't count out Greene yet either, he was a monster in college and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him become a starter at some point. He drew comps to Briggs but there was also talks about him being able to play in the middle.
I get your logic, and I wouldn't hate to see a LB, but I'd prefer we see what we have in Bostic and to a lesser extent Greene(and a lesser lesser extent SMC as well).
Its not that they are a waste, but with Williams, Briggs being gone next year,and who knows about SMC, we need some more bodied with potenial to man those spots.
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Here is my BEARS, Trade up early and then trade back later to get more picks in the Draft:
Obviously its not very realistic but was a very fun exercise nonetheless.
http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/premium/draft.php?d=sgznsb
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DE JADEVEON CLOWNEY
19
S HA HA CLINTON-DIX
51
DT RA'SHEDE HAGEMAN
72
CB KEITH MCGILL
90
ILB JORDAN ZUMWALT
122
QB A.J. MCCARRON
148
DT KELCY QUARLES
156
S JONATHAN DOWLING
166
ILB MAX BULLOUGH
183
TE COLT LYERLA
191
TE MARCEL JENSEN
237
WR T.J. JONES
Thats going for the extra yard there, I love to dream and that site helps achieve that goal.
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We shall see about LB, we're 6 deep at LB right now if you include the ST guy we got from the Panthers. I just don't see it as an early need, but we obviously won't agree on that.....As for Smallwood, I liked him up until the combine....Dude ran a 5.01 40, that doesn't really fit the mold of the guys Phil has brought in here at LB (Williams 4.45, Bostic 4.61, Greene 4.71 are all pretty fast).
I'd love to trade down though, esp if Donald is gone. This draft is hella deep so the more picks the better. No way I pass on Donald though if he's there.
Williams and Briggs arent spring chickens and Bostic will be playing Briggs spot sometime this year and in the future.So I think we need another body at MLB
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First, I said I prefer to draft him over Dix so it's not like as if I'm projecting this as a huge red flag. In watching highlights of Pryor he occasionally leads with his head on tackles. It's not hard to project the impact of that when player speed and weight goes up in the NFL as I'm sure Brandon Hardin can explain. Major Wright had similar issues when he was a rookie. Pryor is not that big at 5-11 207lbs and given his size and style of play I can see him having a career similar to Bob Sanders. OTOH at FS he should also have less plays inside the box reducing the risk.
You only need to watch the first play on this link but there are others.
He does lead with the head alot but Im sure anybody drafting him will address that.
Tis that time of the season
in Bearstalk
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Your spot on, it takes two years and go with the BPA and fix the rest of the spots next year.