Posts posted by Stinger226
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Supposedly the Chiefs are floating Eric Berry out there for a 2R pick. More than just a few websites are reporting this, but none of them are really mainstream websites. Because of that I'm not really buying it. Also the fact that the Chiefs seemingly don't have an option behind him is another reason to question things.
But in the off chance it's true I'd absolutely love for the Bears to make it happen. Hekk I'd give em a 2nd rounder next year too.
We could say something stupid like that and it will have legs, people throw something out there and it turns reality. He aint done with this, lets see how it plays out. Your guy Vereem may turn out to be a suprise, we just dont know yet.
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Don't sleep on his teammate either, lil Lamarcus Joyner can ball too. Guys like Mcgill and Baptiste are somewhat intriguing as well. Phil did talk about looking at CBs to convert to S so he may have one of those guys in mind....As stinger said, Exum fits this bill as well, and Ed Reynolds is no slouch either. Also gotta throw out my sleeper in Brock Vereen.
Right now I'm hoping we come away with (in this order) Hageman/Tuitt/Jernigan/Joyner/Brooks/Nix in the 2nd...If they grab a DT then I'd hope for Joyner/Brooks/McGill/SJB/Reynolds/Vereen/Exum in the 3rd...If they grab safety in the 2nd I'd hope for Jernigan/ Jones/Ego/Reid/Quarles.
There's still a lot of intrigue to this.
With one unexpected pick we all have flushed the draft down the drain. We had needs everywhere on D, so getting any good player helps this team. They will have him on the field, this NC stuff is only part of it. If he turns out to be an all pro type playmaking CB, we will all look back on this and see how stupid we are.
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What this means is, he is a nickel this year, and Peanut is gone after this 1-yr contract.
Hope he turns into Deion Sanders, but generally you want a first rounder, especially a top 15 guy, to be on the field more than 50% of the defensive plays.
He will be, with all the talent on the board, they took this guy.After we see on all of this works out, we will take a different view of this. Im not elated or feel bad about this pick. We are one injury away from any first round pick playing all the time. Donald was gone, and no other DT had that value at 14(IMO). They liked Long and he turned out great, so lets just see how all of this plays out. We obviously still have a need, but maybe they think there is value in a S that they can get in the next two rounds we just dont have figured out.
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I don't know about 70%, and even if it were 70%, whoever the Safety is required to cover is going to exploit that major weakness.
Two years ago nobody was complaining about Conte, maybe he has a revival. If we cant find one in draft there will be cuts with all the teams that drafted Ss maybe we luck out there.
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I hate that reasoning for two reasons.
1. If they wanted Safety, they should gave drafted a freaking safety. The two best were there. And studies have shown (link from previous thread) that drafting a first round safety is basically a guarantee.
2. You're basically saying that the safeties we have REQUIRE a stud DL and LB core to succeed. I'd rather have a FS who can succeed without needing a superb front 7.
There all gone (top 4) maybe he finds a sleeper, we just have to deal with it.
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I hate that reasoning for two reasons.
1. If they wanted Safety, they should gave drafted a freaking safety. The two best were there. And studies have shown (link from previous thread) that drafting a first round safety is basically a guarantee.
2. You're basically saying that the safeties we have REQUIRE a stud DL and LB core to succeed. I'd rather have a FS who can succeed without needing a superb front 7.
They got who they wanted the safeties were still on the board. He will play #2 corner and Jennings will move to slot Corner. 70% of the time 3 corners are on the field.
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I will say, I think, if a team were interested (and there may not have been a team willing), I would have moved down. Broke my heart when Donald was picked but I really excited to have a guy who could be an elite corner and having three good corners is going to be very important giving how this is a passing league and we are in a division with two teams that can throw the football.
He stated the reason they didnt move down was because Fuller was still there, in his press conference. I think he must like him.
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I like what Browns have done. I really liked getting the CB. I have quietly been pushing CB over safety (in fact had MLB over safety too) and would have taken CB or Mosely over either safety, especially Ha Ha who I think is very overrated. I think in this deep corner draft we'll see Bears select another corner, who they think they can move to free safety. We got a guy who some thought was the top corner in the draft @ 14. I'll take that all day and let Tillman and company help coach him and prepare him. I hope we get another young guy to join the secondary and think it will be a third or 4th rounder that we convert. You can find good safety's late and that guy doesn't have to be a safety as you can teach a corner to be a safety and succeed (and I love the idea of having a guy that is a good cover guy at safety…clearly they have to be able to tackle too).
Explain the difference for the high safety and a corner, its about reacting, and going to the ball, I would say he can probably do that.
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I just don't think he can draft. The first year was bad. The linebackers from last year looked bad. I think they could have used a Saftey by a mile, and any of the next 5 picks would have been better for the team. It's nothing against fuller, but there are bigger needs.
Pryor was my guy I wanted to draft, but lets see who he gets to play S, he aint over yet.
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I liked Bushrod coming in when he did it, keeping Jennings and Tillman and I was waving the Trestman flag after he was signed. There are just more things I don't like than do right now.
Look at the positive side of all of this and let it shake out. With the FAs we brought in, I think our defense will be tons better.
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I agree with some of your complaints but the best GMs in the league doesnt hit on all of his picks. He brought in two good FA classes, I give him a C+ so far, it isnt all bad by a long shot.
As of now, I am still on the fence with him, but he has did as many good things as he has bad and it only matters if we make the playoffs for the next few years, that is how he will be measured.
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I'm not talking about my choices. His first year was a complete bust outside of Jeffery. This year, the linebackers looked bad, but Long turned out great.
He let Urlacher go too early imo.
I didn't think Cutler deserved the contract this year.
Spending on 3 DE's this year, even if Houston can move inside, and so on.
I just don't like many of his decisions so far. Some I like, but the ones I don't like are outweighing the ones I do. Tucker keeping his job still boggles my mind.
I agree with some of your complaints but the best GMs in the league doesnt hit on all of his picks. He brought in two good FA classes, I give him a C+ so far, it isnt all bad by a long shot.
2nd round?
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We still can get a DT we would have liked if they took him in the first round left on the board.
Top DTs left
Jerrinigan
Nix
Hageman
Truitt
Quarles
Sutton
Anthony Johnson.
We are going to get a good player in the second round at a position of need. Dont sleep on Ego Ferguson either or Jones from PSU. We will grab a good player there.
If we get Jerrigan, Nix or Hageman, we did good in this draft no matter who else we draft.