Stinger226
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That it is, and you're right, it's hard for a rookie to come in and take command in year 1. Bostic could develop into that guy in year 2.
Why would it be different if they draft Mosely, whom you've touted quite a bit,
Just give me the most talented player in the draft, if they're considered a "leader" well I guess that's a plus.
Its not if we draft Mosely, but he may be better at handling the Pros than Bostic was, hard to say, but he is the top rated MLB, if we choose to go that way.Every player has different paths to follow,but I think we need some leadership on our defense whether you think it matters or not.
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I don't think Archer goes higher than the 4th, I've never even heard of him before today (CBS doesn't even have him listed).....Last year Onterio McCaleb posted the highest 40 time, albeit a bit slower than Archer at 4.34, and he wasn't even drafted.
Don't hate the idea of a RB though.
Back to the DL....
Donald had the 2nd most bench reps among all DLmen with 35, some scrub had 36. Jernigan had 27. So Jernigan is just an inch taller than Donald, but Donald has longer arms and is stronger.
Ealy had 1 more rep than Clowney but both were "underwhelming" with 21 and 22 respectively. Last year the average was 24 for DLmen.
Kareem Martin also had 22 reps.
Critchton had 24.
Michael Sam had as many reps as Jay Cutler had, 17.
Jeffcoat had just 1 more than Sam
Murphy had 1 more than Jeffcoat.
Hageman had 32 which is impressive with those long arms.
Dee Ford, who claims he's better than Clowney, didn't participate.
One thing we know for sure is Emery likes athletic players, so that puts Donald in the front along with Hageman.
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I'm sad no one took the bait =(
If its Bostic? way to many things to learn to become a team leader his first year. Urlacher didnt assume that role for a few years.
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Not a combine DL thing, but seen where Archer/RB/Kent State run a 4.26 40 time
Im thinking Trestman could find ways to use him in his offense, maybe a 4th rounder? At least take Hester's place on KR
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What about the Michigan kid. He's the more realistic option of being available. Taylor Lewan has been slotted near 14, been putting up nice results at the combine, and is said to have that nastiness. I'd prefer to go defense, but our big investment is Cutty, so maybe they grab him if he is available.
If one of those top players drop, it may be beneficial to trade down and grab several picks for the privilege of our pick.
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If that worked financially and with the cap - I don't care to research - I don't think that's a horrible idea. Peppers is going to get cut anyway, and Briggs is on the backside of his career. There are no guarantees, but Clowney is a ridiculous athlete.
way to expensive for so many spots to fill, but would be the bomb.
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If jake Matthews drops that far, you hope for a trade. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind seeing him drafted. Pure BPA, he's way better than anyone else at 14. That gives the bears a nearly impenetrable OL of Bushrod, Slausson, Garza, Long, Matthews, and it's nasty for years to come.
I would not be upset over that, I think Mathews might end up being the LT with Bushrod moving over the following year.
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I can't find his official measurements, but one article said he was 302 his rookie year so it's probably around there.
Donald gets compared to Geno Atkins a lot....Atkins was 6'1" 293 with 32 inch arms. So Donald is 8 pounds lighter and his arms are 5/8 of an inch longer.
Kyle Williams is another 6'1" pro bowler who had 32 inch arms. He was 299.
So he's a little thinner than those guys but not by much.
I had been comparing him to Dorsey in the past but just found out dude had 35 inch arms at 6'1"
He may not be as good at point of attack as those two, but got a feeling he will be a better pass rusher.
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It's harder to say who ya don't like than who ya do. I wouldn't like Tuitt or Hageman as DEs.
Who we wont be drafting in round 1
QBs- we will be solid at that position for the first time in years
OTs- we will not spend this high of a pick with our line being built last year.
OGs- usually not a first round pick and none rate that high this year
OC- we definitely need one in the works but the best one is only rated as a 2nd rounder this year.
TE-with Bennett being here, I think we tag one this year but wont be this high
WR- possible but not probable, with Marshall,Jefferies an Wilson in the next up status here(maybe as BPA after round 3)
DE- I think our biggest need
DT- will be able to choice the top one at that spot
LB- I think its possible our pick could be Mosley if he is the BPA at the time of the pick, I also think if Mack or Barr drops we could drag that into the BPA spot
S- need, need, need, could very will be our pick,HaHa or Pryor, and would have no problem with those picks
CB-we have the need and could be Gilbert or Dennard if they are there.
I think Emery could surprise us with grabbing someone like Creighton/DE, Bucannon/S,(not rated that high) or Barr or Mack(because they dropped)
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Agreed with everything you said here. Sign both of these guys for cheap and go with a 2nd or 3rd round CB and they should be set with Jennings-Rookie-Frey-Bowman-Hayden. Bowman competes with the rook and Hayden competes with Frey.
Emery stated they want to get younger, so the thought of bringing back all the old guys doesnt seem genuine.I think he is keeping the lines open, with everybody so that is some of his plans fall thru he will have lanes open for some of them guys to come back. I dont buy the Hayden signing just think its a second option. Wooten, Melton are younger players, so them being more of a priority.
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If he's there, and the Bears have a hole at DE, he absolutely should be the pick. If they bring back the guys you said and cut Pep they'd still have a hole. Hell, I wouldn't hate to see him be the pick even if Wootton and a FA DE are brought in because I'm not 100% sold on Wootton yet. Corey could end up being quality depth in the Izzy DE/DT role.
I think as you do they we should load the box and let the best players win the jobs. I think Wooten is signed(you misspelled Wootton) more because he will be cheap, and not because they have great expectations from him. I think the FA we sign and draft pick at that spot will be expected to be the better pass rusher.
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Not so fast. He did say the base defense is a 4-3 but then he added this:
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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-wide-open.html
“To lock ourselves in and be so narrow-minded that this is what we’re going to be when we don’t have the players to get it done would not be [wise],” Trestman said.
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A year ago they were saying the same thing about the offense… they need to evaluate the players and devise the scheme to fit the talent. If you read the article it's clear that 3-4 alignments are not out of the question. I can only hope we have similar results with the D this year as we had with the offense last year. I don't see that happening simply because of the turnover at all three levels of the D so I'd be content if we can just be average on D this year.
I think there going to draft and bring in FAs and figure out what scheme is best to run with what they have. I agree it will take two years, this year is important it get a playmaker somewhere, dont think everything will be determined by where SMC fits in the best. Bostic will be designated to fill Briggs shoes after this year, so he will either win the SLB spot or be everybodys backup. I suspect from previous behavior that Lance will come in in shape and play well, but also will be complaining about a new contract from the get go.
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I think our top priority this off season is to identify and add a couple of leader types on the defense. As much as I think letting Urlacher go was needed , we did miss his leadership. Him being here probably wouldnt have made much difference in our final record, but he would have put the young players in a better place to succeed. Briggs,IMO, isnt a team leader, he is a good player with a big mouth. When he came back from injury, he was out of shape and team leaders dont do that. Tillman and Peppers, lead by example, not inspiration to the people that needed guidance. Peanut was hurt almost all year, and Peppers has lost a step. He had many games he just didnt show up. We need to add a couple of players that can direct the ship into a better direction that our defense showed us last year. Usually team leaders on defense are LBers, so I think the possibility exists we might be targeting a MLB in early rounds. Mosley fits that bill, and maybe Borland, or Skov could succeed in that spot. We dont have a MLB on the roster at this time, so Mosley could be a surprise 1st round pick for us.
There are a few options in FAgency Beason-29 or a Butler-26, but more than likely D. J. Williams who didnt take that leadership role last year.
Daryl Smith is a possiblity but at 32 this year is unlikely.
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I don't know that we jumped at the guys we wanted to spend money on. Like you said, I'm sure the Bears have had some discussion about price range. We broke the bank on Cutler and Gould. Jennings and Slauson both admitted to not wanting to go through the free agent process with uncertainty. My guess is that we made offers Tillman, Melton, and other players, and the response was, "Maybe later."
Last year, after free agency began, Melton quickly signed his franchise tendered when he realized the market for defensive tackles was bad. These guys could easily come back if the market isn't what they'd hoped.
I have read they have had talks with Peanuts people, Ratliff's,Melton's. I think they want these players back but at their price, so that is why there not signed yet. They have a plan, we will soon find out, so as soon as they get these deals done or fail, then it will become more clear as to what the next step is. I think they will set up the draft to take the BPA and March 11 will be having things fall in place. Emery's first year left a lot to be desired but that year he got Marshall, and Jeffery, so it wasnt all bad. Last year the jury is still out, but looks promising, so we will just have to see what shakes out.
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Eh, idk, it's possible, I just think that guy is Kony Ealy if he's there.
Ealy scouting report from nfldraftscout.....
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If he's there how do you pass on that?
Perhaps if Ealy's gone or the Bears have traded down maybe Phil and company fall in love with a guy like Trent Murphy, Kareem Martin, or Jackson Jeffcoat and take them in the first so they don't miss out on them in the 2nd.
You have got me around to the thinking that should be our pick, but I suspect by the start of FAgency they will sign some of our players back,(i think Wooten,Melton,Ratliff) that they will be in the position to take the BPA and that might not be Ealy.
After Clowney and Ealy, its a big drop off, so the possiblity exists they will both be gone. So I suspect the BPA wont be a DE.
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He's 6'2" 240, I highly doubt it after the comments Phil made about size and length.
With the SCM pick still looming as a failure, he will not take a Dee Ford, or a OLB
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While true, the problem there is finding one in this draft. Past Clowney, who won't be there, and Ealy there are a bunch of question marks.
I think there are questions about all the DEs, but those have less of a risk factor. On the average 50% of the first round are disaapointments. Hope ours isnt one of them.
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If Emery's pattern keeps up, he'll draft somebody we won't talk about from now until the actual draft. I'd start looking at guys who are projected 2nd rounders.
I agree with you about it will be a surprise pick, but think it will be one of these 5
Ealy/DE
Ha Ha/S
Pryor/S
Donald/DT
Mosley/LB
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I don't mind the picks, but I doubt Ealy makes it to 19. Also, Miami has as many needs as us (maybe more due to Incognito/Martin), so I can't see them trading up.
I agree, I think probably SF or ,maybe Jets will be our only chances at a trade.
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https://twitter.com/mikecwright/status/436992648398647296
I would really like to see Ratliff back. He will only get better.
That would help let the draft picks take there time to contribute, he will be a rotational player and maybe last a little longer in the health area.
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My guess is he'd still be out of our range. With our cap space, I see us doing a ton of bargain shopping. Last year we did pretty damn good with some of the cheap signings we made like Matt Slauson, James Anderson, and DJ Williams. My guess is we find a way to keep Julius Peppers. As bad as he was, he was by far our best defensive lineman.
That being said, we've been somewhat spoiled as Bear fans by making a huge splash on opening day. We've done it 3 out of the last 4 years:
2013--Jermon Bushrod and Michael Bennett
2012--We traded for Brandon Marshall at the opening of free agency (not a free agent, but we absorbed his 27 million $$$ contract)
2011--the lock-out year. This was bad. We got a lot of bad players from Dallas.
2010--Julius Peppers
Not to mention, in 2009, we waited until April 2nd and traded for Cutler. (I'll never forget I thought Boers & Bernstein were having a belated April Fool's joke.
IMO, I think this will be one of those years where it's a week into free agency and we haven't done a damn thing.
I disagree, I think they will leap on a couple of FAs , not your Hardys or TJWards but they will identity someone and go after them, similar to last year but not quite the contracts given.
They have stated they want to bring back Melton, Garza, and Wooten. So I think they target a S and DE.
Someone like a Antione Bethea/S and Lamar Houston. 3 to 4 for Bethea and 6 to 7 for Houston. I figure the money they save from cutting Peppers will pay the bill.
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lulz, we were a win away from going to San Diego one year. We've sent a portion of our team to Vegas to compete in the Vegas 7's invitational.
Everyone had a voice on those teams, we didn't need a lone guy to rally around, we rallied around each other.
That works sometimes, but most teams have team leaders and that is the way of the world.
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Walter Cherepinsky @walterfootball 24h
According to @TonyPauline the #Bears are very interested in #Pitt DT Aaron Donald - http://walterfootball.com/combinerumors.php …
That Tony Pauline fellow runs the website www.draftinsider.com.
Though I don't think he'd be a reach, at all, I still think they can trade back a few spots to get him which would be real nice.
I moved on to wanting Ealy more but if the Bears bring back Wootton, sign another DE, and pass on Melton I'm all for Donald.
I think both Donald and Ealy will be playmakers. I think if we like traded down with SF, and get some extra picks, Donald will be there, but Ealy will be long gone. Would be ok with that scenario.
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Without even looking at the article, I go back to his year with the Bucs. The Bucs were a bottom 4 D and he still managed 9 sacks, 3 FF, and 2 PD, not gaudy numbers, but more than respectable. This year with the Hawks he wasn't "The guy" on the line either. He was apart of a 4 man rotation at DE with Cliff Avril, Red Bryant, and Chris Clemons. He only started 3 games. His results are skewed by the fact that he simply didn't get as much of an opportunity as most other DEs. He also lined up a lot at DT where it's tougher to get to the QB.
I'm sure the stats you're alluding to have something to do with the PFF stats, perhaps this.....
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/...y-edge-rushers/
....where he ranked 7th in the league among DEs in pressures per snap.
I don't want the Bears to "blow their load" on him, but if takes a sensible back loaded contract I think he'd be worth it.
I dont think he will be cheap but not elite money. After a couple are signed it will fall to reasonable contracts and maybe we can land him in that range.
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Martin is not only fast had 82 tackles-21.5 TFL-12.5 sacks, very similar in numbers to Clownery