Stinger226
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I still have my doubts about Brown being a 4-3 MLB. Ogletree is definitely that, but like you said, he's clearly not intelligent. I'd typically say trade down and get Brown, but at 24-28, I think he'd be off the board there, maybe even to the Vikings.
I think Minter will be the best MLB out of that group. He doesnt have the off field issues of Ogletree, and is bigger than Brown to play the middle.
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That's genuinely surprising. If you've been watching that long I have no clue how you can be so optimistic. You must be one of those people who skips into work on Monday morning.
Jason does this mean I won the bet we had? If he never plays another day in the NFL, isnt that 12 games or less?
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They're obviously working on a tight budget with Urlacher and now this. Maneri from what I read is probably on the level or a notch below Spaeth as far as blocking goes.
He started more in KC than Spaeth did hear, must have been doing something right.
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C'mon man you've had a computer for 4+ years and you still don't know how to copy paste lol. I'm interested in seeing who 1-6 are. Seattle, San Fran, Denver, ATL, Green Bay, ?, ?.
You are right on the money, not in that order. Oh by the way, HAVENT YOU HEARD I AM A MORON. Wow it that all I have to do.
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Can you say "irony"?
You don't seem to understand the concept of what the management is doing to this team. Sure they are trying to put their stamp on the team, but they are burning bridges in the process. There are other players on the team that are taking note; Peppers, Jennings, Tillman, Briggs....all players that no doubt had a strong bond to Urlacher. If it wasn't evident in their play on the field, look at the time when Urlacher's mother passed. The team chartered a jet to attend her funeral. As someone pointed out earlier, this WAS more a family enviornment. It appears that its trending away from that. The traditional values and pride that some fans have to this team are being whittled away. You say its time to move on and get new blood but at what cost?
I dont think you get it; If your Peppers making 16 mil this year, you might be sad that Brian is gone, but tomorrow you wont care, you are still making 16 mil this year. Peppers left Carolina for money, he didnt give the home team a discount because he has a lot of friends there. What the management is doing is trying to put together a football team that might go to the playoffs next year,THE WAY THEY WANT TO, not doing what you or I want. If they end up putting together a team that wins something, we all wont care if Brian is gone. Thats life.
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Can you say "irony"?
You don't seem to understand the concept of what the management is doing to this team. Sure they are trying to put their stamp on the team, but they are burning bridges in the process. There are other players on the team that are taking note; Peppers, Jennings, Tillman, Briggs....all players that no doubt had a strong bond to Urlacher. If it wasn't evident in their play on the field, look at the time when Urlacher's mother passed. The team chartered a jet to attend her funeral. As someone pointed out earlier, this WAS more a family enviornment. It appears that its trending away from that. The traditional values and pride that some fans have to this team are being whittled away. You say its time to move on and get new blood but at what cost?
I dont think you get it; If your Peppers making 16 mil this year, you might be sad that Brian is gone, but tomorrow you wont care, you are still making 16 mil this year. Peppers left Carolina for money, he didnt give the home team a discount because he has a lot of friends there. What the management is doing is trying to put together a football team that might go to the playoffs next year,THE WAY THEY WANT TO
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You must be a young Bears fan to have such optimism. I'll continue to be pessimistic until proven otherwise. And that hasn't happened more than a few times in the last 30 years.
I have been watching the Bears since Dick Bukus and Gale Sayers got me interested. All football teams make bad decisions and good ones, in one year we will know whether this one was good or bad.
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Olin Kreutz didn't really have as much pull as did Urlacher. When Kreutz left, who on the offensive side "stepped up" as a leader? Cutler? He seems to still be the same as always. Garza? They are both "Captains" but not sure how they have "stepped up" in the absence of Kreutz. I'm not sure where on the defensive side you're going to see that leadership as much. Tillman? Briggs? (He's had his chance before and had difficulty in calling the defense in Urlacher's absence, hence why Roach stepped in), Peppers? (Has anyone ever heard the man speak? He seems to lead in action more than word.
Below is an article that shed some insight to the goings back and forth. There was a better article somewhere else but I was unable to find it again. Anyhow a snippet: "The Bears original offer was a firm one-year contract for $2 million, Urlacher and his agent countered a two-year deal for $11.5 million. Urlacher was under the assumption the two parties would reach a deal somewhere in the middle, turns out there wouldn't be any negotiations. Urlacher's agents responded with a proposal of one year and $3.5 million deal, though the Bears management still wouldn't budge."
http://www.examiner.com/article/brian-urla...offer-insulting
I think what is happening in Baltimore is more a result of what happened with their not renegotiating with Flacco earlier in the year. They decided to wait it out and bingo, they won the Super Bowl. Oddly enough the Bears will find themselves in a similar role this year. Hopefully they were paying attention.
Check your sources because what I heard out of Urlachers mouth in a interview was (He made 17 mil the last two years, so he thought he was being fair only asking for 11 for two years) They never made him an offer until yesterday. They never discussed working for 3.5 because the Bears didnt negotiate , they made of offer of 2 mil and said take it or leave it. Urlacher said he would have took 3 or 3.5 after the fact. Those were words out of his mouth, maybe your source is better.
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The thing is, nearly every reason you cite (except for possibly #4) could have been equally applied to Olin Kreutz when they let him go. And yet, I think most of us would agree that it was the right move: he ended up being pretty terrible in New Orleans, the fanbase was initially mad, but got over it, and it forced other guys to step up their leadership roles.
Other thoughts:
4) We still have FA to get some decent LBs. And I think they were always going to target a LB early - 1 year of Urlacher doesn't change your plans much.
5) Though you may be rights when you say "majority", I would say the fan base is fairly split.
6) Are you sure $3 million would have done it, or are you just speculating? I honestly want to know, because I heard that Urlacher's proposal was 2 years for $11 million, and if he was so insulated by a 1-year $2 million contract, I'm not sold that $3 million would have done it.
7) Who are the "multiple" equally bad or lesser players currently making more than $2 million/year on the Bears, besides the rookie contracts that are pretty much set? http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/chi/ Hester maybe, but his contract made sense at the time.
8) Yes, but contrast what the Ravens did with Ed Reed with Urlacher. Not so stark a contrast.
It is nice to have someone be positive about the Bears once in a while.
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The score blows. It's just a collection of the most vocal, more often than not just people who want to tell others they were on the radio. Go to the message boards on ESPN, CNNSI, FOX Sports, etc. You'll find most disagree with the move.
Also, several others are not up for debate. It definitely hinders the Bears in the draft and affects the team leadership-wise on the field. Several others are not even debatable.
None of this matters, the moves have been made , you either support them or condemn them. It aint brain surgery, I support them, and its as simple as that. Start rooting for the Bears, Urlacher isnt here anymore.
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Would you quit using this line of reasoning? It's dumb considering the horrible moves we've seen the Bears make for the past 30 years. Saying that the coaches align with your thoughts is just as often a negative as it is a positive.
We have new people running the Bears and until they prove that they made mistakes I would prefer to let them do there job and will pat them on the back or condemn for those moves of which wont know the results for at least one year if now two. I have my opinion, right or wrong and they are acting upon what I think is the right thing to do. Its not that there are agreeing with me , I am just making an observation.
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Blast the list all you want, but here's a list of reasons why the Urlacher move was bad:
1) It hurts the clubhouse. Urlacher was an undeniable leader to the team.
2) It hurts with potential free agents. Urlacher is a respected figure in the NFL and his opinion has weight with other players.
3) His leadership will be gone on the field. Now the Bears will have to transition to another play-caller who doesn't understand the calls or personnel as well.
4) The Bears are hindered in the draft. Where before they could flexibly target a LB, now they pretty much have to get one in the first two rounds.
5) A majority of the fanbase is not happy. Like it or not, but that matters.
6) It makes the Bears, a team with a reputation for being cheap, look cheap. The fact that they couldn't find an extra 1m for a guy who was the leader of the team, the face of the franchise, speaks poorly to agents who want to deal with the Bears.
7) For a team paying multiple bad or lesser players equal to or in excess of what was offered to Urlacher, it looks like poor money management. Maybe next some ocean-front property in Nebraska?
8) It makes the Bears look like a team that doesn't respect their leaders/vets. Contrast what the Ravens did with Lewis to what the Bears did with Urlacher; it's a stark difference.
9) Urlacher wasn't as bad last year as some pretend he was. The fact of the matter is, he was tied with Briggs for the team lead in tackles when he got injured. On top of that, the last 6 games Urlacher played (splitting his time in half), he had more tackles than Briggs.
10) The comment about Urlacher being a "two-down" linebacker makes the coaching staff look inept. Out of the things Urlacher did well, pass defense and coverage of the deep middle was probably one of the best. He had no TDs given up, had 5 passes defensed, and I can't remember him getting burned. His biggest issue has always been fighting off blockers who get to the second level, not pass defense.
*Bonus* There have been enough bad moves by the Bears in recent history that simply saying, "The team/coach/GM thought it was a good move, who are we to say otherwise?" is just stupid. We have just as good a shot of successfully picking talent as the team does. This could very well be a bad move, and it reeks of a "new management"-move where someone values making their mark as a manager more than what is good for the organization.
Urlacher was not only the clubhouse team leader and the on-field defensive leader, but he was also the statistical leader.
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I just read on ESPN Stats that when Urlacher was on the field, their yds/rush given up was 4.0. When off, 4.3. For passes it was 6.6/6.8. This reaffirms point #9.
You are right about 1, but the rest are reaching for excuses. I listen to the Score all day at work and the fact more people favor the move that bad mouth it. You have your opinion and thats ok but to think most people agree with you is wrong. DEAL WITH IT
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Nobody said give him whatever he wants. He's not the same player and he wasn't asking to be compensated like the same player. He would've been back here for 3mil. This team is NOT going to find a better player/leader out there for that. He plays hurt and does whatever he can to be on the field and when he is injured and fights through it, he gets beat up for sucking. (All players are treated like this and I think it's ridiculous) I understand all the rage is take everything emotional out of any decision and base it on stats/productivity, but this is an emotional game. IMO you need that emotion to succeed and you need some of that emotion when making your personnel decisions. 54 at 3 million is bargain and deciding not to do it is a mistake. This was handled poorly. Clearly they didn't want him back and wanted to start fresh. If that's the direction then fine...they could have worked that out months ago, but it is insulting to basically offer him the league minimum, 1 mil with a chance to make another mil in incentives with a take it or leave it offer?? It doesn't make sense...especially if they want to run the same style of defense. I would have absolutely no issue if they brought in a new DC with a different philosophy and announced in Jan or Feb that Urlacher wouldn't be coming back. Thanks for your service and good luck, but this?? This was weak sauce.
I will admit he is probably the best player we could have at MLB this year, not due to his play, but the leadership qualities he would bring with a new coaching staff taking over. If he has any loyality to the Bears he would have accepted reallity and accepted the offer and he would be here. You are throwing all the blame on the Bears and Urlacher has responsibility for this as well. The Bears made him a rich man, sometimes you have to give back. Making 2 mil for you last year in the league is fair and he should have took it. I like you picture on your profile.
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One writer on Rotoworld has us ranked as the 7th best roster in a power ranking going by the personal on the teams at this moment in time. Evan Silva-Pre-Draft NFL Lineup Rankings
Wednesday, March 20, 2013.
Im just a plumber(a moron) so I am not sure how to link the article from the site. Maybe Terrtool or Alaskan Frizzy can help.
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I had a check list as well
TE=check Bennett.......cut Davis/Spearth
OT=check Bushrod......Webb to back up or RT?
MLB/OLB=......Urlacher/Roach....Draft either Olgetree or Bostic
OG=..... Moore or draft Jones or Cooper...rather Jones=C/G/OT
re-sign Louis
WR=.....Knox gone need speed guy Stills/Goodwin?
DB= half check signed Lewis/Bowman to replace Moore and maybe Hayden too
DT=check..... Melton resigned...Collins./McBride signed
those are all good names.
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buy a poster.
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Youre a moron
He was my favorite Bear during his prime, that is long gone. I just heard on the radio the statement where he said (I wont play for the Bears for 2 mil) comes from the logic that the Bears paid him 17 mil the last two years when he admittedly was not very good, so he deserves to be paid more now. He is full of himself and if you wish to worship him , buy a poster and take it in the bathroom and shut the door. We just have opinions , whether the Bears succeed or fail , doesnt have anything to do with what we think. You want to worship an old FORMER all pro by giving him what ever he wants to play for when it is detrimental to the team to play players for past performance. I want the team to be better, so lets start replaces the ones that dont play well anymore. I think its time to find another leader of our defense and try to be better for the next 5 years going forward. The longer we wait to replace players , the longer it takes to get to where we need to go. I dont think the defense will be any good this year whether Urlacher was here or not, but we might as well set ourselfs up to be better sooner by getting started now. The coaches and the league seem to be more inline with my thinking than yours, so if Im a moron, what label show we put on you?
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I would rather draft either Kenny Still or Stedman Bailey for our new speed WR
Kenny Stills
Stedman Bailey
Bailey isnt a top speed guy but very quick and good route runner. It accomplishes the same thing.
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Maybe he decided against going to Chicago because he heard Urlacher isn't staying? And maybe Captain talked to Moore? <_>
The panthers matched the Bears offer, he would rather stay in his home instead of moving. It happens all the time.
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It's the kind of move people new to management make just so they can say they out their stamp on being in charge. It's just popular to rag on Urlacher right now. He was flexible, but the Bears were not. It's poor management, poor negotiation, a poor example for future vet contracts, and poor leadership. Not to mention the fact it hamstrings the Bears in the draft. Bad move.
Its not about bowing down to the king, its about having a better football team. Hanging on to broken down players, doesnt make your team better. Almost all experts think he doesnt have it left anymore, it doesnt matter what you and I think, its about people that matter think.
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I disagree. Read every analyst or writer. Matt Bowen played and watches film for a living. He says Urlacher doesn't have it anymore. It's Emery's call and he made it. This should also make fans excited that it truly is Emery in charge and nobody else. Everyone will miss him and everyone loved him.
Hence the puking emoticon...
Well said
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He said they offered a better contract but it eventually got negotiated down. Then Brian, why didn't you sign it?
It is a black eye publicly but the fact is he aint the 54 were use to and its time to find the next stud to become fond of.
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Urlacher is on Sirius right now and said "I wouldn't play for $2 million...not for the Bears at least." Then get the f*** out. "At least?" What the f*** does that mean?
He is a ego tripper, he held them hostage several years ago when he wanted more money added to his contract. He was a great player,and was good to his team mates but he is quite the inflated ego when it comes to him personally
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Captain Munnerlyn @captain_41 3m
It's officially I'm staying a Carolina Panthers !!!!!!! Lets get it
Oh well, there are plenty out there, lets just get another one.
Oh the irony....
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Who are you refering to, I dont get it.