Stinger226
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Well I guess we'll see. Again, I think we're in a similar situation with the front 4 as we were with WR in Phils first year. Phil addressed it by going out and trading for Marshall and traded up to get his guy Jeffery in the draft. Neither were free agent deals but he still had to open the check book for Marshall.
Could also bring up the Cutler deal this year.....I don't think Phils afraid to open the checkbook,
what was different from your situation with the WRs is we now have a huge contract with Cutler, and changes their perspective on spending money.
I still think we try to get Bennett, but if we can get him for 4 year 34 mil. were in play; if its the contract you suggested-no way.
We are 5 days away from seeing what happens.
The Cutler deal gives us flexibility,I just dont think the plan is to structure it that way and then take 10 out of it the first year to pay the difference that Bennett may bring.
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I absolutely agree with the bold statement, and that's exactly what I'm doing.....You apparently don't though since all you're looking at is sack numbers, so where's you're logic?
My point for the last time is all the very good and great DEs are usually judged by there yearly sack total, I know that is only one primer I am just saying the stats you showed is just one to judge by. By some of the names on your list will probably never repeat those stats. Perfect example all the talk is how good Hardy is because of his sack total, he is 10th on your list. We both know he carries other skills, Hughes is rarely ever mentioned any where.
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This is what we have been reduced to, debating whether a special teams only player is worth keeping at an above vet minimum salary. Hester has done some great things for this team and the league including being the first player to return the opening kick in the SB for a TD but if the Bears can tell Urlacher take it or leave it and Charles Tillman can be allowed to test FA without a deal why should Hester be thought of in a better mannner than those two? This team needs to spend money on rebuilding the defense with younger and better players and over paying a kick returner only wouldn't help. As bad as the special teams was last season, the only guys that deserve to comeback are Gould and Mannely. That means Weems and the whole bunch should have to fight for jobs on this team.
He is gone no matter what our opinions are, I think we can find someone, who can be our 3 RB or 4 WR or a backup DB that can be good, were never going to find someone as good as Hester in his prime, but he's not in his prime anymore. I think he has some gas left in the tank, but you dont pay players for past performance, you guess when he's done being effective and go from there. The Bears think its time to move on, the brass running the team owe him nothing. He got paid, for being a great KR, but that was yesterday and yesterday is gone.
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I edited the original post, I think he and Lane just battle for a spot on the team. Would love for one of them, Bass, or Washington to surprise me and be more than just depth.
He did have that one good year in Oakland awhile back with 40 somethin tackles and 7 sacks so who knows.
Hope he's put on a little weight since 2008 because ya 256 is a little undersized.
I heard 260, so not much bigger. They are bringing in a bunch of cheap guys and see if they find a gem and the rest will hit the road on no guaranteed money deals.
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That is a great deal, I was figuring closer to 3 since this will most likely be his last pay day.
If he stays healthy that will be a bargain price, if he isnt on the field alot, not a great risk with 4 mil.
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Everyone hear knows I'm a bit advocate of trench warfare considering my multi-year OL rant. On defense, however, I don't believe it's the same.
On offense, if the QB loses efficacy, the entire offense dies. So there is a premium on protecting the QB with a good OL.
On defense, there is no single player being defended behind the DL. It's entirely possible to have average players on the DL with a superior 2nd and 3rd level, and have great success. Upgrading the safeties allows the CBs to gamble more, which changes the timing on passing plays, which allows for the subpar DL to create more pressure/sacks. I believe a team with Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed in their prime would have so many crazy advantages in terms of play recognition and range that the defense could effectively send 6, if not 7, at the QB on just about every play, especially if you team them up with above average CBs like Peanut and Jennings.
IMO, you have to have one stud on the line, one stud LBer and a saftey and CB that have there shit together. Then and only then can you fill the rest of the defense with average players.
Example-Seattle 1-very good LB-1 excellent S-1-excellent CB, and a DL with a lot of good players. Talent wins out if you want top 10 type of D.
Your a very smart guy but if you think you can be all mediocre up front, you dont have a very good D.
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Brad Biggs is full of shit half the time he speaks as well.. Dan Pompei is the worst. I'm just going to wait and see what happens this year. I'd love for the Bears to sign both safeties this off-season and shore up the back end of the D in free agency. Then we can focus on the D-Line/CB positions in the draft.
I think he is full of information and is right most of the time, enlighten us with who you think is spot on for information? Other than you, I cant think of anybody else that is right all the time.
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The stat is all relative to percentages. Let me try to simplify this a bit.
Hardy played 806 snaps that's 50 snaps a game. Hughes played 228 less snaps, so it's kinda like Hardy played in 4 and half more games right? Well looking at Hughes game log there was a 4 game span where he had 5 sacks. If he duplicates that then BOOM they have the same amount of sacks. And I'm just looking at sacks here because that's what you're saying makes you elite.
It should be pretty easy to comprehend.
I know you said you're a Sox fan, so you apparently follow a little baseball. Are you familiar with sabermetrics? What PFF does is pretty much the sabermetrics of the NFL.
If you don't know what sabermetrics is, have you seen the movie Moneyball? That's basically what that movie is about.
Of course I do, and understand the valve, but what would PFF have said of Anderson/DE his rookie year here? He had one good year, where is he now?
I think a person needs to look at many things to judge players, Hughes might have did better with more snaps, but he didnt play them and we can only assume the results.He might have did nothing with them, we simply cant make things exist when the reality is actually different.
As far as the WS, only went to one game last year, plan on several this year with a injection of something new.
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I absolutely believe Hester is not worth any more than the vet minimum. I believe it is time to move on.
Peace
He gave us a lot of great moments, but he is not the same player. I think he is worth keeping around for a min. deal but honestly we need someone that can be more than be just a returner.
That goes for Weems too, we can il afford to keep specialty players, we have to have a kicker, punter, LS, but we really needs players that serve more than one purpose with such a screwed up roster.
He made me a lot of money when he was 35-1 odds for (first to score) in the Super Bowl,for that I thank him, but I think it is time to move on.
Somebody said this and it bears repeating"Its better to let a player go one year early than I year to late"
I AGREE
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Jerry Hughes had a a really good year. If you wanna look at sacks instead of pressures, Hughes had 10 sacks in 578 snaps, whereas Greg Hardy who you might call elite because his 15 sacks were 3rd in the league, played 806 snaps. Had they played the same amount of snaps Hughes could be right up there with him.
Who do you think lead the team in pressures?
In a recent Biggs article he said Peppers only had 15.
I dont think Hughes is the best DE because his name was first is your stat category, that shows exactly what Im saying about all the stats that pop up. He didnt thou, so it is all speculation.
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But..but... Brad Biggs thinks we'll be in on Bennett/Johnson/Houston....=p just messin with you.
They'd have the money but that's not where they need to invest. Should be BS
I wasnt agreeing with it just tried to show on one person suggests something and another person considers it a fact.
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When was that? Weems didn't make many plays at all, and of those very few were impact plays. Hester's big plays this year were significantly larger than anything Weems has done his entire career.
I was trying to be sarcastic.I dont think Weems is worth 1.25
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Uhh no, it means our DL wasnt any good..
1 Jerry Hughes BUF 305 59 15.4
2 Robert Quinn SL 477 91 15.3
3 Aldon Smith SF 289 55 15.1
3 Elvis Dumervil BLT 319 61 15.1
3 Justin Houston KC 332 59 14.1
6 Cameron Wake MIA 397 71 14.0
7 Michael Bennett SEA 379 65 13.5
8 Von Miller DEN 234 38 12.8
9 Tamba Hali KC 500 77 12.2
10 Greg Hardy CAR 536 82 12.1
are you telling me those guys aren't any good?
No not saying that, the point Im trying to make is when people talk about the best DEs in the league they start with sacks. I know all the numbers add up to different assestments and they matter. I dont view Jerry Hughes as an elite DE because his assessments look good.PFF is a good tool to use to judge people but it isnt the bible in football information.
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Just seen an national article that stated THE BEARS PURSUE BYRD AND WARD.
There was an article in the SunTimes by Jahns that stated the Bears might be interested in going after those two because we had bad safeties last year.
So someone else uses that to write an article that states we are pursuing them.
Rumors get started on opinions and then they become statements. It is all bull crap.
Ill stick with Brad Briggs,and weed thru the rest.
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All PFF is look at the important things that don't show in the stat sheet.
I know their pressures stat has been questioned here but oh well....Bennett ranked 7th in pass rush percentage, Robert Mathais who led the league in sacks didn't make the top 10. Greg Hardy ranked 10th.
Think of it this way, Shea lead our team is disruptions . The only thing that stat means is he wasnt any good.
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Ya i don't know what's goin on in that regard. Last year we had a thread filled with guys they worked out.
It is customary for pro scout to work out draftees. I dont think that is a great indicator.
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You don't want Melton? Why not keep your exact plan but replace Collins with Melton?
Also, didn't Paea pretty much suck last year? If we weren't so thin at DT, would he be a lock to make the roster?
I have to admit, before we resigned Ratliff, I was starting to think we were just going to blow the whole damn thing up on the D-line.
He has only been average(Paea)but he had injuries last year and lousy line mates. At best he is a rotational player.
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And leftovers won't give you a championship defense. Not when Lance Briggs is you're only impact player on the front 7.
I get why everyone is so emphatic about the whole vet min stuff since Phil made a couple steals last year but at the end of the day those guys will only get you so far.
I totally get and agree what you have to say, just dont think it plays out that way. Just trying to be real.
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I've got to disagree somewhat. It doesn't matter if we over-paid him in the past. We pay him what we think he can be this year. He's easily worth Eric Weems money in the range of 1.25+ a year. There's a familiarity and he still generates excitement within the stadium.
Actually Weems make more plays in a season than Hester did, but think Weems is over paid.
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I would pay him vet. minimum to stay. That's it.
Great player in his prime but he has already been paid.
Peace
I agree they paid him like a top WR, so he should want to be here for a song.
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I have not been able to find any details on the Mayors suggestion of adding 5,000+ seats to Soldier Field. Any idea on where the hell these would go that makes sense?
I love the idea for a variety of reasons. Not to mention, we are the 2nd biggest market and have the 2nd smallest stadium. But I can't think of any way that this is logistically practical.
I think there going behind the columns.They might be a little cheaper there.
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You have a good plan, just hope it works out that way.
Not to change the subject but I just went over 3000 on here, Im trying to catch the guys in front of me but they keep having opinions.
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He might be back, 'but I'd prefer they shoot for Donald in the draft, if they end up missing out Ratliff could be a suitable starter if they don't like/can't snag another 3T DT in the draft.
5 guys I'm hoping for are Ratliff, Paea, Collins, Donald, then a 5th or 6th round run stuffer like Deandre Coleman or Shamar Stephen. With Ratliffs versatility as a pass rusher and an above average run stuffer you got 3 guys who can play the 3 well (Donald, Ratliff, and Collins) and also 3 guys who can play the NT (Paea, Ratliff, and the late round pick).
You have a good plan, just hope it works out that way.
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Well he was a full time player in 2012 and still ranked in the top 10.
I like him but in that year he had 9 sacks. I agree there is more to it, but look at the top DEs they are mainly measured by sacks. PFF is only what the elite fans judge by.
Hester gone
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I usually only notice you around during this time of year. This a big time of year, I am interested in, but you need to pop in more, you have good insight in matters all Bears.