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Maybe one last rambling. Both are good choices for the Bears. If the Bears didn’t have the Panthers pick and just had our pick at 9 - I would be entirely focused on adding more weapons for Justin and continuing to see if we could unlock his potential.
That is because everything I said about Justin - physically he has all the tools - mentally he is an incredible leader - it is purely as a pocket passer what limits him and if Bears weren’t holding #1 pick I would say let’s see what another year could do cause the upside is worth it.
So in my mind - the above implies Fields is absolutely still a viable qb1 with upside. Hence if we trade him the market should be good, because everything I said above.
Where everything gets wild is the Bears have a #1 pick with an elite qb prospect in the draft where the Bears don’t have to trade assets to get him, don’t have to mortgage future, and can reset the clock. It could be Williams is worse but pure passing wise he is a better prospect than Fields. Fields is an absolute stud from the pure tools side though (Allen and Herbert are the 2 on same hemisphere as Justin when it comes to physical tools.
So if Poles wanted to get a haul and build a better team - while it isn’t what I do - I still think the Bears are a better team because of it.
Really the only scenario I would hate is - Bears select MHJ at #1. I hate hate hate that scenario. If I’m not taking a qb at #1 than I advocate for a haul. Now maybe I get that haul and am at #3 and take MHJ which I am perfectly fine with.
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6 hours ago, adam said:
What if ATL was willing to do something along these lines:
1. CHI gets #8, #43, #79
2. ATL gets #9, Justin Fields
The difference in the picks and slot would equal Pick #29 (late first rounder)So the Bears move up one slot to #8, then get ATL's 2nd rounder and their 2nd 3rd Rounder. Atlanta moves down one slot in the first and gets Justin Fields. They got #79 for Calvin Ridley, so basically that plus their 2nd rounder (#43) and one slot in the first round for Fields.
That would gives the Bears #1, #8, #43, #75, and #79 in the first 3 rounds.
Atlanta would have #9, Fields, and #74
I think that is pretty reasonable.
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2 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Would you look at that. The big disparity in overall TDs appears to be in the "rushing TDs". Hmmm... 😈
In college - on unpressured rushes - Caleb Williams ran <3% of the time - Justin Fields ran ~10% of the time. Caleb Williams can run - but he DOES NOT look to run. In fact one of the knocks on him holding the ball too long is that he continues to use his eyes to look downfield to make the pass when he could actually take off more and move on to the next play.
Caleb Williams and Justin Fields ARE NOT anywhere on the same spectrum in terms of the type of play they have. Fields is huge and physically elite across all things - but reality is - everything he does is off script and outside the pocket. Caleb Williams excels in the pocket and off script. He can go off script more than you like - but his eyes are consistently downfield and he looks to make plays with his arm vs. legs.
Both were incredibly good college QB's and Williams does have all the physical passing traits that Field(s) does - i.e., huge arm that can make all the throws and an accurate arm. Williams is mobile - but Fields is way way better in terms of his pure running athleticism. Fields pocket awareness is weak and his ability to play in the pocket is poor (if it was even decent no one would even be commenting on whether they should keep the #1 pick or trade for a haul) where as in college Williams pocket awareness was a strength.
None of that may translate into the pro's - but they are not the same player / type of player.
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2 hours ago, adam said:
Those are not the final stats. Here they are:
Sanders: 298-430, 69.3%, 3230 yds, 8.5 Y/A, 27 TD, 3 INT; Rushing 111- (-77) yds, 4 TD
Williams: 266-388, 68.6%, 3633 yds, 9.4 Y/A, 30 TD, 5 INT; Rushing 97-142 yds, 11 TD
QBR does factor in rushing and sacks. Williams ended up with an extra TD per game, which is a pretty big deal.
Sanders is an intriguing prospect, but that was his only year at QB, so he only has 430 pass attempts, which would have an extremely high bust rate. He went back to school to pad his stats and he should be one of the top picks in 2025. He is sort of overshadowed by his coach.
You also have fact that against Top 25 competition - Caleb Williams actually performed better across his career than all of the other top QB's. I need to find the article - but there was a myth busting article done which highlighted all of the main QB's performance(s) vs. Top 25 and Top 10. Williams was consistently 1/2 and in all cases his stats were very strong. JJ McCarthy and Daniels were other benefactors - Bo Nix and Drake Maye's metrics were not good.
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2 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
Yeah I have since found it on youtube, and he was very confident in his voice. and he said that all you need is two teams that want him to bring the price to that level, and of course thats right.
Another first round pick is greatly welcome! Maybe we could get that center near pick #20 or so if its not a high pick.
Bears offseasons have felt like video games the last couple of years!I would want a center but I think 20 is too early to take one - so you move down 10 spots or so - what I don’t know is what does that get you in picks? Is 10 spots like a 3rd rounder or a 2nd? If I could move down 10 spots and get a mid to late 2nd as well and than grab center and say a guard or safety or whomever is best available let’s do it.
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10 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
He gets inside information and a first would be great but this time of year a lot of crab floating out there. Second is the reasonable answer. What GM is going to tell any reporter what he's going to do this early , the process is just starting, it's not a week from the draft. Speculation or false reporting are options to. Most new coaches are from teams needing QBs, you think new hires already have their plans finished?
I tend to think best case is you get a 2nd this year and a conditional 2nd next year. Which isn’t bad. But if somehow two teams competed that could make things interesting. Says Seahawks and Steelers were both interested or Falcons were pushing heavy with their 2nd and 3rd and say a future 3rd? Does that cause Steelers to make a bigger push?
Let’s say you get Falcons 2nd and 3rd - puts Bears in spot to maybe grab the top center in round 2 and than go safety in round 3.
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If Washington wants to offer up #2, their 2nd rounder, a 1st next year, a 2nd next year and another 1st (or Jonathan Allen)…that is the price is takes me to move from #1. I than would take Maye.
If they don’t - I draft CalebDraft Rome or Nabers
Trade Fields for Steelers pick - trade down and eventually draft a center. If I stay at pick - take best oline available.
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39 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Wait a minute… a first for Justin? Didn’t someone else point out if other teams view Caleb as the #1 overall talent so should we, the why would team(s) value Justin as having potential #1 pick trade value? I thought he sucked?
A first is not the #1 pick. I am still skeptical of Adam but qbs are valuable and he still has 2 years under control before he gets crazy expensive - so I absolutely could see a team who loves the tools and leadership who isn’t picking high enough taking a shot.
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2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
that's extremely interesting. do you know where he said it? id love to hear it in context. He's usually right and doesnt just put out rumors.
He said it on ESPN radio. Said he thinks for sure a 2 and a good chance a 1. With that said, I wonder who would offer a 1. Raiders were a possibility but I don’t see it happening.
Falcons are the crazy odd ball scenario I suppose. Steelers is probably only team I can think of - but who would they be bidding against. Now I could see more teams offer a future 1st. Bucs if Mayfield left would be another possibility. Maybe Seattle?
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Schefty commented today he thinks Fields gets a 2nd rounder for sure and decent shot a first rounder
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3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
My guy Drake. First, we fleece Washington for picks. Then we draft Maye. Adam Sheffter said he's almost certain the Bears will get a first for Justin. (That's what he's hearing)
1st rounder for Justin would be great. In my mind that is a huge win and its great for Fields too.
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12 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Its nice to dream on enormous returns on trades but is it realistic?
If we move to 2 with Washington.
move to 2, get pick 40, pick 102. 1st next year. If we get lots of competition for one, add a player?
It comes down to me - what happens with Caleb and the person taken at 2. If Caleb becomes the dude - a top 5 QB - than the 40th pick, 102, and a 1st rounder next year is not at all worth giving up on a top 5 QB. Now if it turns out Caleb and the #2 pick are both Top 5 guys - or the 2nd pick ends up being event better - than yeah - why not do that.
Unfortunately we don't have a delorean to see the future.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
Are sure that was Cronin? She's not in the business of rumors.
Biggs has said everyone he has talked to have said that is what Bears will/should do.
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
Colin Cowherd was repeating a narrative we all had heard 8 weeks earlier - that Caleb didnt want to go to Chicago. This is before we fired Getsy for context.
Cowherd also reported yesterday that Williams' camp contacted him and told him it wasnt true, and he would play for whoever drafts him.He also was quoted a week or so ago saying he will play anywhere. Rapport reported something similar and Biggs, who in my mind is an excellent writer, said all the smoke from social media is a bunch of bs and that in real NFL circles the general view on Williams soft skills and character is positive.
Biggs said it and he doesn’t just spew nonsense. You also have his teammates coming out and backing that up too.
This is not a George Pickens or Jalen Carter - this is more like when whomever it was said Fields wasn’t a hard worker and spewed bullshit (which wasn’t true).
If anything teams are trying to do anything to try and manufacture a reason for Bears not to take him. Biggs had a quote from one GM - who said I hope they stick with Fields and trade Williams for a hall but that was just wishful thinking on his part hoping Bears wouldn’t take him.
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42 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
That's because it's true.
This time the league knows Bears are keeping the pick. Last year - I think league knew they probably weren't moving the pick so there was some early talk - even than - most of the national league chatter a year ago was on will they take Jalen Carter or someone else at 1 or move down. Not a ton of talk last year about Bears going QB path.
I think after the interviews - enough people probably got a perception of where Bears lean and quite frankly I think they also just look at it and see a GM who didn't draft the guy and a coach who didn't either.
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1 hour ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Nathanial Hackett was another indicator of that. Failed in Denver after one year and is struggling in NJ without Rodgers playing.
It is pretty clear and we are seeing it with more and more reports coming out of NY - the system Hackett and Getzy and them run is really really designed around Rodgers. It is super complicated and really not young QB friendly. With that said - it is working in Green Bay - so maybe that is a testament to Love or its a testament to LaFleur knowing how to teach the structure, etc. It might also be just the fact that Love sat for a few years in that system so he was to a point where he could play in structure and succeed.
But yeah - the Bears have definitely upgraded the staff on paper. I also like that they all come from similar trees and Waldron has worked with them all or at least most of them.
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This is a stellar hire. I love what they have been doing with offensive staff.
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I very happy with this. He is a good coach and I expected Flus to call plays.
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22 minutes ago, Pixote said:
The power of positive thinking. 👍
Haha - I’m now putting all my energy on the qb and mhj. But more than anything I want Bears to win the Super Bowl sometime before I’m wearing diapers again haha.
Best thing is - I know we all want the same thing. I will say Fields is probably the easiest qb to root for in my lifetime as a Bears fan.
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3 hours ago, adam said:
I wonder if the Waldron hire tips the scales a little bit towards keeping Fields? An established playcaller is going to be expected to come right in and excel whereas it feels like a new playcaller would get a couple of years.
Also, looking back at Waldron's resume, he really has never worked with a rookie QB. At first, he worked with Goff, who had several years in the league by the time Waldron was involved with QBs, then Russell Wilson in Seattle, then Geno Smith, then even Drew Lock (27 yrs old). So Goff at 25 and 26 were his youngest QBs he worked with as a QB Coach or OC. Fields will be 25, Williams will be 23.
I’ve said it before - they are taking a qb.
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4 hours ago, adam said:
Joe Barry? Please not another GB coach.
No interest - as position(s) coach fine. But not as a DC. I will say the Bills AsstHC/Dline coach we interviewed looks really interesting. They have a very good defense and their pass rush has been excellent the past few years.
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17 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
well Belichick did innovate a lot on defense, and as different skill players came in and out around Brady, Belichick changed the style of the offense year to year to fit with what he had. He also wasnt afraid to trade good players before the last years of their deals to keep young talent in the pipeline and keep the cap healthy. So while I wont say that Eberflus keeps us from going to the Superbowl, i dont think he gives us any edge in that, and that's a lost opportunity.
Yes, this is everything. It's why trading down to get a ton of picks to build around Justin is a flawed strategy. A chance at a franchise QB is worth more than 3 first rounders of draft value.
I'd put 1000 to 1 odds that the Bears are staying at 1 and taking a QB. Barring the top QB's all having massive off the field scandals or something else that makes them undraftable - the Bears are going to pick a QB at 1 and move on from Justin. Justin will go somewhere else and be a solid starter and he certainly might even become better than that. He could be the type of guy that if you are patient he'll continue to make strides and eventually have some seasons where he is a top 10 QB. But I also currently have him as a Bottom 10 QB, so that is probably where my view differs from the keep Justin crowd.
I think he's 3 years in - he is bottom 10 - do I think he can improve - absolutely, he just has such strong leadership, physical traits, and work ethic, that he will 100% continue to improve. I Just think that puts him in the 10-20 category and you don't build around that type of guy, no matter how great the work ethic.
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15 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
well Belichick did innovate a lot on defense, and as different skill players came in and out around Brady, Belichick changed the style of the offense year to year to fit with what he had. He also wasnt afraid to trade good players before the last years of their deals to keep young talent in the pipeline and keep the cap healthy. So while I wont say that Eberflus keeps us from going to the Superbowl, i dont think he gives us any edge in that, and that's a lost opportunity.
Yes, this is everything. It's why trading down to get a ton of picks to build around Justin is a flawed strategy. A chance at a franchise QB is worth more than 3 first rounders of draft value.
Beliceck the coach is outstanding. Beli the GM is horrendous. I Think I read that it had been 10 YEARS since they signed a draft pick to a 2nd contract. That isn't because they are trading people early - that is because they literally haven't drafted any blue chip players in, well, forever.
The bright side is - if Flus blows up - the Bears could always hire a Beli or Vrabel next cycle if they wanted to (cause it seems like neither of them will get HC gigs).
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