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9 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
I think his point is that we cant assume pieces we think are going to be great, are actually going to be great until we see them.
From our current understanding of the roster, we have holes at DE and HB. But when we see it with the pads on, some players may show us that they arent going to work out like we hoped, and some may show us that they are ready to fill the holes i just mentioned too.
I think you're counting chickens, and he is saying that we will know when we know. And I think that has to be how Poles is thinking too? or any GM?
So it's not the right time to make a trade, since you don't fully even know what you have yet, for good or bad. The only exception to that is something that's a clear deal on a real stud, or minor moves monkeying with depth.
But when it comes to starters, we will probably roll with what we've got and the next likely window for making changes is the cuts at end of training camp, and the one after that is the trade deadline.This is like Nagys first year. They traded for Mack and that worked in year one - it was the wrong move though - gave up too much assets out of gate and it hampered team to fill and be more aggressive in filling two years after.
Hold the chips so we can see who develops, who doesn’t and where they need to pivot.
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6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
agree! and having Ben Johnson teach it probably gives Caleb the best chance he could ever have.
He is setting a whole nother standard and really kind of showing Caleb and rest of the team - they got a lot to work on to get to level needed - I LOVE it!!! Dude just seems to be wired different. I hope Caleb is there next week for the rookie and younger player OTA and than in his month off basically is full bore working on all the things BJ pressed him on these past few weeks. We got to see that passion burn for Caleb to push himself cause it’s clear he has a ways to go (and he was NOT pushed hard enough last year - that is on him just as much as coaching staff - but we basically wasted a chunk of last year cause I think he missed a whole year of being pushed to grow and see what the standard really looks like).
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I think we all saw enough to know Caleb has a lot to work on. He also has a lot of talent. Facts are he has a totally new standard being set from the top on down. Ben Johnson is a proven play caller who knows offense and is a stickler for the little things - from how to get in and out of the huddle, to how to line up, where the ball goes, and even how you handle your emotions on sidelines.
He knows all those little things add up and create a material difference. Caleb has never been coached like this. Caleb has talent - that is clear - but now that he has an elite offensive mind to work with him - he also is going to see how hellacious the work effort is and what it takes to be elite at the NFL level. Let’s hope Caleb has it in him cause I think there is probably a bit of an eye opening experience going on right now with a number of players who were used to the cupcake nature of Eberflus.
And I for one say it is about ducking time! And Caleb seeing Keenan who is a good back up leverage his smarts to look better than him just puts more pressure on Caleb to elevate all aspects of his game.
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He owned it well - I also liked some of the quotes from Johnson on how he watched film with Caleb on how he reacted on field in terms of showing emotions and is working with him on that too…going back to all the little things matter.
Caleb handled this little issue well and I think he has learned from it too.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
I am sure Williams knows how to watch tape generically. I'm sure he can look at generic film, and tell you everything just like J T O'Sullivan or Kurt Warner does.
I took Williams meaning differently. I took him to mean that they weren't watching film on the defense of that week's opponent while relating that to the week's gameplan.
For example, if the OC sees that a certain LBer always shades inside vs the TE against a certain offensive alignment, the OC might call some plays where the TE runs a quick out, accompanied by a WR running a go route on that side to drag defenders out of the area for the TE underneath.
So he puts in the play. Does he tell Caleb, hey we see the LB leaning pre sanp so thats why were calling this play? Does he show him on film what the reasoning behind including this play is in the week's game plan? Or does he just tell Caleb, "learn this play, run it when we call it, the TE is read #1" and leave it at that.
Because if he doesn't explain it, and Caleb comes to the line with that LB shading outside for once, he should know that the theory of the play means the gambit is off.
Maybe, it makes Caleb more likely to audible to a run offtackle to the strong side so the TE has a good blocking angle on the shaded LB.
So either
1) Caleb is a baby who cant read generic film, like identifying defenses and needs his hand held, and should have hired someone to do it, and is ridiculous for criticizing how he was developed by the fine staff of Eberflus and Waldron
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2) Caleb is telling you something real, because he's the #1 pick QB who knows a shit ton about football, and it trying to tell you that Flus and Waldron did a crap job of teaching him, and preparing him for each week to understand the intention of the game plan. And what we saw is that there was no game plan in the first place.
If it really was Caleb, and they thought Waldron was doing a great job of putting everyone in the best place to succeed, then he wouldnt have gotten fired so early in the season.
They didn't develop Caleb. It's actually shocking. Waldron and Eberflus were complete frauds as OC and HC. I cant wait to see Johnson and Williams prove it to everyone.I think the reality is more of this is via Caleb’s dad than via him. But I have seen a few quotes from camp about Ben Johnson ripping Kmet a new one for lining up in wrong position etc. Evidently he did same to Caleb for a big play that worked but was not the right decision. I LOVE it. For years Bears coaches and players were too soft - they need someone with a totally different standard.
Bears evidently also did some 6 on 7 today which is not something they have done regularly. This forces Caleb to be even sharper with his reads and throws since defense has more numbers. Again I love it.
I’ve told myself I won’t get too excited without seeing real production on field - but dang it I can’t help myself.
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And it could be - last year - many thought Flus wasn't right but McCaskey wasn't there yet to fully change his ways. Clearly when they moved quickly after the Thanksgiving debacle you could see more of that change. I think same with how they handled the hiring process with Ben Johnson and I think we even saw that with how they handled some of the assistants too - paying for a Dennis Allen as well as an EB at RB coach (who has some alpha in him).
And if Warren and Poles were actually suggesting the change last off-season and McCaskey wasn't ready - he than saw that they were right - it may also just continue to support and help him learn a bit more as well as an owner so that maybe in time he learns how to get this right (and hopefully someone else in that family is also observing and getting schooled).
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12 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
it was from interviews with the author of the book, I think before the 2024 draft. It isnt a new statement from Caleb, just newly released to hype the book.
As far as I know, he made peace with all of it before we drafted him. that's also what the book says, according to other excerpts this week.
I agree if he said this now, that would be really dumb.That is helpful and am fine if it was more his dad pre draft - but nothing good about going along with this post draft. I just hear about the film stuff etc - maybe it was other players who leaked it - kind of hard to imagine they really were that incompetent. Of course I never supported that final year of Flus. But if this was all part of the initial pain and now Ben Johnson and this offseason is what it takes to get everything over up I’ll forget about it…come on Bears!!! 🐻
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I actually hate this and it makes me very worried about Caleb. Who is leaking this shit and what good does it do? Has to be coming from Caleb’s camp. How about instead of worrying about the narrative - just work right now on getting better…ripping Flus and spending time to leak this crap does nothing good.
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2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
I agree. Loveland isnt a bad blocker though. There was a narrative that he was all WR, and youre right that he can play like one, but apparently he is a better blocker than people realize too.
Im not sure when we go to one TE inline that it will be Kmet though and not Loveland?Loveland is supposed to be an excellent blocker - with a high degree of athleticism. That is why he went where the Bears took him. Or at least that is what they saw in him to take him where they did. It is the combination of high end blocking tools with high end athleticism that make him a unicorn type of prospect at TE which at least in the eyes of Poles justified him drafting him where he was. Whether Bears scouts are right, we shall see - but this isn't a Jimmy Graham who you knew was in there to catch passes vs. block...he's supposed to kind of have the Jimmy Graham pass catching ability while also being a good run blocker, meaning play actions should work really well with him in there, including in 12 package with Kmet on the field too. Knowing how much Ben Johnson leveraged the playaction game in Detroit - you got to think this is going to be a huge focal point of the Bears offense (also helped that Detroit had a very high octane ground game and oline). BJ was also elite in how he mixed those things up too.
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1 hour ago, jason said:
We have heard that one before. Many times on this board. I’ll be from Missouri on this one and say they have to show me before I believe it.
That is me too - I want to see it in the season .
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4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I dont think you want him gone but after Loveland is up to speed, get rid of the contract. I think he will be used as part of the offensive plan and stay until his contract is up. 2027. You nevere know when an injury pops up, so lets say they do trade him and a couple games later Loveland gets hurt. Totally would screw up the offensive scheme. They arent going to have cap problems until Caleb is up for a contract . All of these contracts except for DJ end in 2027.
They have tons of cap space and have a player who is still ascending. Having two good tight ends is a multiplier and creates unique match up dynamics for defenses. When you combine that with the wideout crew and a bright offensive mind - you can create match up problems all over the field. Why the heck should the Bears cut someone or trade them and get rid of that. Kmet and Loveland are so complimentary and if you go big you put Loveland out wide and destroy them and you can also run…you can also spread the field and have Loveland out there for size and than shrink and run or use Loveland as a match up.
We finally have real unique skill sets all over the field and people want to trade two of them so we can go back to being mediocre at skill position level - screw that - Bears have massive cap space - pile up as much damn talent as possible.
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1 hour ago, CrackerDog said:
They have the Bears at 21 so still bottom third. I hope we surprise a lot of people this year.
Until we see the oline product at a better rate and more important the QB take a meaningful step forward - I'm in a show me don't tell me state with the franhcise. I think the camp will be the most competitive camp in a decade plus and that should drive to good things, but none of it matters if Caleb can't figure out how to get the ball out faster more consistently, do a better job at pre-read/blitz protection, and be more accurate and in rhythm (reality is more accurate but I think his lack of accuracy last year, especially on deep balls was because he was forcing things). But bottom line - he's got to take a meaningful step forward because the defense while decent has its weakness(es).
But I am optimistic as to how we are trending and I think it is a deep and diverse set of skill players, an improved oline, and a better coaching staff (on paper). But you can have all of the right ingredients, if the chef doesn't get it right, none of it works...in this case I think of Caleb as the chef. He's shown he can make masterpieces in college - now lets see him really take the next step at the NFL level and show that he can be a "Michelin star" QB.
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7 minutes ago, adam said:
I totally jacked that up, cutting and pasting. That's what I get for reading crap at 5am lol. One was Big Ten, one was Big 12.
So it is Monty - I’m going to say Monty is player B.
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47 minutes ago, adam said:
I saw an interesting comp (there are many). Both Big Ten RBs, both drafted by the Bears, both will be used in a Ben Johnson offense. One was a 7th rounder, and one was a 3rd rounder. Guess the players:
RB A - last 2 seasons: 498-2541, 5.1 YPC, 21 TD
RB B - last 2 seasons: 515-2362, 4.6 YPC, 24 TDI’ll guess on was A train albeit I thought he was a second rounder? Or is one the MSU back Langford (thought he was more a 4th rounder)?
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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:
At the time, yes. But Im sure Johnson has his own ideas about Swift, positive or negative i dunno, so based on that his role could change.
If they don’t think highly of Swift they wouldn’t have done what they did this offseason and in the draft. Unless we are about to see a trade.
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10 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
We have 4 capable bodies in the RB room. They are going to see what they have before they add someone. .
They have made it clear - they want depth and people to battle. Backs in general get hurt and you want to balance workloads in camp. They will carry 4 but they should have 6 at start of camp and I don’t really count our special teams back. So really we have 3 real running backs on roster and that is counting a 7th round pick (one I like but a high percentage of 7th rounders are out of football asap)
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Chubb. Don’t love any of them but I think Chubb has the work ethic and being a year removed might still have some juice.
Another name is Jamal Williams - had 17TDs with BJ in Detroit. Didn’t do much in New Orleans past two years though.
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14 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Johnson said there is no depth chart yet. Everyone competes for their position. Who plays L or R will also be examined.
They might look at Darnell as LT, but I think they are best to leave him.
It might be they like this guy as a RT prospect and have doubts on Jones and think Wright can play LT so this becomes the combo. I don’t love it but I like our new oline coach so I’ll trust what he figures out.
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2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
This is funny we are both projecting we think we know what they are thinking.
When the season starts and we see who is starting will answer the question. So I will say now, if healthy, it's Jones , if not Kiran. You can fit your rookie RT in that mix anyway you want to. We can take on this conversation in training camp . again.
Your narrative died when they didn't take a OL at 10. Lying season is over, when they say they like Braxton and Kiran it takes on a whole new light.
They drafted an OT in second round. They had no LT prospects available at 10. We literally have no idea whether they would have taken Banks if he was there - my guess is they would have, but either way - when you take a guy in 2nd round I’m presuming it means they liked the prospect they are getting and also see them pushing the incumbents.
You don’t take people in 2nd round if you don’t think they have a shot at making an impact this year or the following year.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
One thing to consider, with the new staff that this is not a one-year rebuild. So some of these picks may not have been the most optimal for 2025, but for the totality of the their contracts.
Loveland may share targets with Kmet in 2025, then be TE1 with 90% of the targets in 2026. Burden may be WR3 in 2025, but is WR1 or WR2 in 2026 or 27. Trapilo may not start in 2025, but could be their starting RT down the line. Turner the same way. If Hyppolite, can develop for a year under Edmunds and Edwards, he could replace Edmunds next season.
That is the point - they didn’t just draft for need which is good. While they may all bust - I feel like they actually drafted good football players with potential and quality measurables. In some cases grabbed a guy who fell vs where he would have been projected 6 months sooner but for reasons they think don’t make sense (Wr due to bad qb play and our DT due to a stress fracture he played through)
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4 hours ago, dawhizz said:
Remember Isaiah Pacheco was another 7th round Rutgers RB that worked out ok.
Bad oline play / good pad level. Let’s see what he can do with what is hopefully a better oline.
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There is going to be a lot more competition in camp and this draft reinforced that.
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19 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
Interesting take. Good thinking.
I could see bears signing a vet free agent given how draft played out.
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Exactly - I’ve seen enough of paper champs from the Bears. I want to see badass production and significant growth on the field.