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5 hours ago, AZ54 said:
Play calling does not help improve 1v1 blocking. It can be used to mask deficiencies but doing that hinders offensive production. Caleb getting the ball out on time will reduce sacks but I also don’t want him thinking the ball has to be out within 2 sec on every play.
Time as a unit working together does help the 1:1 though and overall dynamics of aligning on comms, match ups, broader strategies…including how run blocking and an effective run game can impact how difficult the 1:1 pass block is (if you know it’s a pass down vs there is uncertainty - that makes a huge difference in blocking effectiveness.
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1 minute ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
I thought Caleb has made progress this season so far. Penalties are still too much and Caleb still has plenty of development but this game was more on the penalties, the defense fading (and not having Kyler and JJ is a big deal - plus Smith out for the year - that is 3 of their 4 best cbs all gone).
Plus pass rush - Sweat another empty game. Way too much money for no production. Sweat and Edmund’s just don’t make plays to go with their paychecks. JJ has - you could see his defense and it faded once he went out hurt…sucks cause I’m sure he’s out a while given same injury he missed most of preseason with.
By the way - all that said - I’m not selling on the offense or BJ. I am really down on Poles though (have been a skeptic a while) and I expect this team will get better. Hopefully this was rock bottom for the year but rock bottom might be an 0-4 start if they lose to the Raiders - really hoping this was rock bottom and we see a bounce back here and than real improvement on a consistent basis post bye week.
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I thought Caleb has made progress this season so far. Penalties are still too much and Caleb still has plenty of development but this game was more on the penalties, the defense fading (and not having Kyler and JJ is a big deal - plus Smith out for the year - that is 3 of their 4 best cbs all gone).
Plus pass rush - Sweat another empty game. Way too much money for no production. Sweat and Edmund’s just don’t make plays to go with their paychecks. JJ has - you could see his defense and it faded once he went out hurt…sucks cause I’m sure he’s out a while given same injury he missed most of preseason with.
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This is true - he has not been a good gm. No probowlers drafted, top 4 picks this year have basically done nothing so far. He got the coach and made a good trade - that is about all I can give him credit for at this point.
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35 minutes ago, adam said:
This is on Poles, you can't contiunally lose team value on trades and under draft in the first 4 rounds. That was on display today.
Loveland had 1 target, Burden had 2, and one was at the knees and he couldn't bring it in, yet the DET 3rd string TE is making that catch on the next drive. Pitiful.Like it was mentioned, 2nd rounders inactive in Week 2. 4th round on a punter. Stevenson is not an NFL starter. Pickens already off the team. It goes on and on and on.
This is 100 percent true. Poles has sucked in the draft. I hope that statement is proven wrong.
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3 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:
This team looks poorly coached. No discipline whatsoever. OL continues to make things impossible for the offense to succeed. Caleb was playing great until that last boneheaded play.
The offense really did a lot to make it extra hard for Caleb.
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I should just get it out of the way - but I am expecting they get blown out today. Detroit is a much better team, at home, coming off a loss and Bears are still very much in early season, new coach mode.
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28 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:
Thought this was interesting. Kurt hasn't usually been quick to praise Caleb in the past, so the fact that he's doing so now makes me feel a little better about last night.
Even if Kurt is wrong - for my own sanity I’ll take this as a positive. I also go back to - this is the first real game tape for Caleb with BJ. Preseason helps but it’s vanilla D - training camp helps - but d starts to know the plays.
This is first real game action with Ben and against a Flores unit that is usually quite good. Let’s see how they build from here…I am expecting to be 1-3 heading into the bye but hopefully somehow we are pleasantly surprised….
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1 minute ago, Stinger226 said:
Yes , we also had a punt partial blocked. I read where Santos was told to kick the ball out of bounds. It would give them the ball at the 40 but would have given us another clock stop for the 2 minute warning. Now with several backups starting did that pull them off of the ST plays? We missed the tackling ability of TJ Edwards and Kyler Gordon.
The missed field goal also gave Vikings real good field position.
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28 minutes ago, adam said:
Almost every game comes down to 2-3 plays. Regardless how the rest of the game played out, there was no less than 7 pts lost to terrible officiating. It is one thing to miss a call, it is another to actually impact the outcome of the game with a phantom call, and the Bears had two back-breaking ones in a 5-minute span to start the 4th Quarter.
Phantom Holding Call on Wright = -3 or -7 pts (Bears would've had the ball at the 12, led to a missed FG)
Phantom DPI on Stevenson = -4 pts (next play was a TD)
There was also the phantom hands to the face/facemask on the Bears which clearly wasn’t.
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35 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:
Lost in all this bad is the fact that the Bears drafted 3 second round players, and only 1 played tonight and had 1 catch for negative yards. Shemar Turner was a healthy scratch. Unacceptable.
This - I still think Poles has been very weak as a talent evaluator. Drafts are still pretty meh and his real hits are Ben Johnson (hopefully this ages well) and the Panthers trade.
They look like they drafted a potential starting RT in Trapillo (but they invested a top 10 pick in Wright (who doesn’t look like a top 10 pick - and they opted for him over Jalen Carter). Turner was hurt in camp so I’m hoping this is more they think he needs a bit more time - I sure hope he is flashing though cause they need to hit on a few.
Burden looked explosive in preseason so at least for now I’m going to say that pick, while not the position I wanted, at first glance looks like a potential starter.
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Want to give Moore credit - for all the talk last year, dude got annihilated and was back out two plays later.
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11 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:
Caleb still surprisingly finished with a better QBR than McCarthy(63.8 vs 52.6). Guessing those nearly 60 ground yards helped, and of course the McCarthy pick six.
McCarthy got better as the game went on, Caleb got worse until, of course, the final drive when he always seems capable of running a successful 2 minute drill against shell coverage.
Honestly - If not for the Bears blowing it we probably would be more glass half full than empty on Caleb in his first game. We saw some of his struggles but he also had some nice plays - reality is he is far more raw then we all expected and was poorly coached and also fairly well prepped and open to coaching in his first year (blame is just as much on him as previous regime). With that said - he has to accept responsibility for what he did and really bring in the work and accept being coached hard and work even harder. He has the physical gifts - but does he really want it.
Let’s see how he and the team respond - but man - they likely are looking at Raider game as the next winnable game…they needed this one.
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2 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:
Absolutely brutal OL performance. Dumbest line in football? High school teams are more disciplined than this.
This, special teams, bad challenge (loss of timeout was killer) and Caleb missing on some key opportunities was the difference…but the first three items were by far the difference…those don’t happen and we are probably giving talking about a solid first game for Caleb….Ben is going to be pissed, including at himself. Why they didn’t kick it out of bounds was idiotic too. No reason this should have went the way it did at the end either.
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2 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
I've been critical of the need to keep Case Keenum on the 53 as I don't really see the need for that. In light of all this chatter about Caleb's need to learn how to be a professional QB maybe that is the need. Poles obviously saw what was going on last year and there's no doubt he consulted with Ben Johnson about that. They knew what they wanted and recruited Keenum out of retirement so it wasn't just finding another QB to compete for the backup role. I know everyone talks about how having a vet presence can help Caleb but I'm saying that was the sole reason he was hired and put on the 53.
100 percent and I believe Keenum got really rave reviews for his work with Stroud as a backup too. Some back ups aren’t right fit some are. I think Bagent works hard but as a back up he also wants to be the dude given where he is at in his career - keenum just wants to be close to the game and if he’s put in and gets a shot be there to serve as the bridge guy and maybe win a game in sake the qb has to go down.
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Regarding Caleb - I said it a couple months back - there are plenty of red flags on him just as there were on the coaching staff. He has to learn from what he did wrong and I legitimately think he bought into his hype too much and did not take it as serious as he should of and also had a bit of an entitled attitude and perspective and that played out and there were enough rumblings of that.
He got his ass kicked last year - in many ways. Now I hated that he spent any time wasting it on the quotes that drove the Flus hit piece earlier in the offseason cause it still shows a total lack of maturity.
With that said - I think the whole culture has changed and hopefully he had the rude awakening needed and is now all systems go with a staff that is going to really push and some added vet presence in the qb room to help. We won’t know in first 4 weeks - but as season goes on, theexpectation has to be we are seeing some above average and at times high end play from that position.
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13 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Caleb has the coach and weapons to be top 5. He has to make to right decisions and be quick. He forced a throw to Odunze in the EZ who was doubled when Swift was open close to the 1st down marker. Stop those hero throws and take what is given and live for another shot.
I'd like to see more out of Odunze too than he has shown in the preseason. He needs to win those contested catches. Its like our top 10 picks are nice guys who hover that average level. Get to that good level or the great level.
KC played great D, the zone they dropped to didnt leave many windows. I cant wait to see how BJ adjusts his game to counter Ds.
One thing to point out - but Mahomes burned the Bears multiple times over on plays where he ran around holding the ball forever and than making something special happen. Like Caleb - there will be moments for him to do that - but he also has to take the easy and let the game come with him, because when he does that - the defense won’t be able to cheat as much and a lot more big things will happen.
Hopefully the Bears can develop an effective running game this year cause that would go a long ways - especially knowing how adept BJ is at calling and designing the play action passing game.
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Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together.
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35 minutes ago, adam said:
Who is taking Dak at $60M APY? He has the biggest contract based on APY by over $5M compared to the next guys which are Love, Burrow, Lawrence, and Allen. His cap hit goes to $74M next year and is $50M this year. That is a big reason why they didn't want to extend Parsons to the biggest non-QB contract in NFL history. So they really had no choice tbh.
The Bears are in a great place with the cap. The two highest players on the team are Moore and Sweat, Moore has an APY of $27.5M, but that is 48th in the NFL. Sweat has a $24.5M APY, good for 58th. They don't have another player in the top 100. Their next guy is Jaylon at $19M APY, 124th in the league. Parsons deal makes him 11th in APY at $46.5M, that is equivalent to Moore+Johnson.
It seems that paying any non-QB a ton of money does not equate to championships. The only guys in the top of the top-25 non-QB contracts are AJ Brown and Chris Jones.
The list is pretty damning:
Parsons, Watt, Chase, Garrett, Hunter, Crosby, Jefferson, Lamb, Bosa, Metcalf, Wilson, Brown, Jones, Gardner, St. Brown, Hill, Stingley, Aiyuk, Hendrickson, McLaurin, Higgins, Slater, Waddle, Hines-Allen, Burns, Wirfs, Sewell, and Trent Williams before DJ Moore. In most cases, teams don't have a choice, but once your QB is off the rookie deal and you start having to pay your top non-QBs top dollar, it makes it really hard to stay competitive.
That is kind of my point - don’t spend cap space and draft capital to acquire on non QBs…it doesn’t make sense and quite frankly when those non QBs come due - be very smart about when in their careers you extend vs parlay into trade that gives you more draft capital and keeps the time young and able to surround your qb (especially when they get paid) with as much talent as possible.
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8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
This video has a little different take on the Parsons trade. He talks about roster cost and the results of paying big contracts and how it affects teams winning SBs. Its 26 minutes long but has a very interesting take on the trade.
Generally speaking - I agree with this take. Giving up high end draft picks and cap space is not a good strategy - unless it is so solely put you over the top or get a qb. And even the solely to put you on the top is something I struggle with.
As much as Cowboys got ripped - while I think they should have found a team where the first round picks would be better - I didn’t mind the trade. If I were them I would move Dak for some picks too and actually jump start a rebuild.
In general, I think teams could benefit a bit more in NFL from trading guys at max value vs holding on too late and than leveraging cap space for those difference makers and than using it for more late round picks for good players with just a bit left (as they tend to be under valued in terms of draft capital).
It is like DJ Moore - if I could get 2 2nd rounders and cap space for him I probably do it - same with Jaylon. Having that allows you to continue to bring in young, ascending talent while giving you cap space to retain your own and buy guys that fill your void. -
37 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
Exactly. When you know with confidence the piece you to get to the top then you make the big splash. Green Bay IMO was not there with their roster which is why I think this was the wrong move for them. Jerry Jones controls the next 2 drafts.
Both of you said that excellently. I don’t think it was wrong move for Green Bay - love has shown he is a good qb - great, maybe not - but in right situation they can do pretty good.
For Bears this would be wrong move - you got to know you got a good qb first and until than invest the pieces that help enable that.
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8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
What would it have taken for us to get Parsons?
2 firsts is a no-brainer and being they wanted a DT instead of a DE, it probably would have been Dexter plus another 3rd round pick.
2 1s
1 3rd
Dexter
I would think 2 1sts and Dexter is a much stronger offer than what they got. Bears 1st rounders would like be viewed as more valuable than Packers and Dexter is an emerging player who is much cheaper relative to the player Packers have up who has a pretty high / expensive contract and is trending to wrong side of his prime.
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2-0-1. I just saw highlights since it wasn’t on in my area but look forward to watching later this weekend once I can see the NFL network recording. Sounds like a slow start by Caleb and some lessons to learn - but they also got some points. Two weeks now to get ready for week 1 and hopefully some more film to reinforce good things but just as much allow the staff to reinforce the things Caleb and team need to keep working on!
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1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:
does anyone remember Jackson Powers-Johnson, a 2nd round C from Oregon? The Raiders has moved him to compete at RG, he is being beat out by an UNFA Jordon Meredith . I actually wanted us to take him.
I think a lot of us wanted him at center.
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I think the challenge is - it takes a lot to turn a culture - and you have issues that come from learning new systems and evolution of systems and then you start to dial it in - but the standard is still the standard. Quite frankly - some players may not buy in and do what it takes - they could be good players too - and those players will be shipped out and new ones will come in.
For example - BJ made a point about how you play whether you have the ball or don’t have the ball - used Lions film to show the difference - but players have to fully buy in and it takes a lot - especially for guys who have learned one way. It seems basic to us - but very little things differentiate good to great teams from bad ones in the NFL.