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Excellent piece.
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I read where there is a theory - he did it because he was so focused on big plays and the offense osu ran was one where the plays took a long time to develop. I also read a theory was part of it too was maybe something in his head - where he was worried of getting to pigeon holes as a running qb that he wanted to show how he could always go downfield. Loved fact that he is supposedly highly intellectual and can pick up a playbook easy (if that pre draft study is accurate. Stark contrast from Mitch who didn’t know what a hard count was entering the league. There were also some scouts who said there are a lot of examples on film of him showing real good progressions too.
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Exactly - while he got burned in coverage last year - the leadership and other abilities (good in run, etc) and to your point, bounce back is possible on the pass side too (I don't expect him to be good - but even just some improvement would be huge). Feels like too much to get rid of him now - and to your point - for what benefit?
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If Danny T didn't have all that dead money tied with cutting him - I would agree. But at this point - I think the net savings just isn't worth getting rid of a solid 1st/2nd down LB. That said - he fell off a cliff last year. I'm hoping somehow we see a bit more speed - but you usually don't get faster when you get older. Miller - I don't see them just cutting him. If they can get a conditional pick - sure, but at this point, maybe see how he does with the new QB's.
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I am assuming they may still look at a veteran to join them, they have just decided that they will no longer continue to run Leno out there. I kind of commend them on this as they are focused on fixing the parts that they aren't happy with. I will still say - Leno was an excellent pick - getting what they got out of a 7th rounder is a huge win.
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Dalton is also far more solid than Foles / Glennon - so barring injury - I expect him to get some runway. If Fields is good enough - than so be it, but I fully expect Nagy to start things slow with him. I also assume Pace/Nagy are sticking around beyond this year and at this point - I am okay with that unless Fields looks like a dumpster fire (please please don't let that happen). I am at the point where I say - Nagy, while he has his warts, has made playoffs 2 out of his first 3 seasons. He has done it without a QB that he technically drafted. In KC he was a key part in Mahome's development - so at this point - I'm willing to see if he can find another gem in Fields and help develop said gem. Lets roll. Man - has training camp started yet?
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Unless you intend to sign someone this year - I don't think the have a massive sense of urgency. I do think you are right on Robinson - but if they want to go another route - they can always franchise him one more time and try to trade him again. In general - Bears cap situation is dicey this year (but they can do everything they need to this year without having an issue) - starting next year it gets a ton better. Quinn - Gone - $16M Dalton/Foles - Both gone - clears up a ton of money. Although one could always stay on as a backup - $20M Graham - Clears up money - 7/8M Arob - you extend him or trade him and find another wideout; Either way - you clear cap space - Probalby free up 4M or so if you extend Hicks - I honestly don't know what to do with Hicks - you can't give him too much money - old lineman don't hold up that well - depends Mack - maybe you trade him...either way...start to get to a spot where you have more flexibility with him - depends Leno - Can create cap space pretty easy - lets assume you cut - 7M+ Before factoring in Mack/Hicks - I think that puts you at about $50M in cap savings (vs. this year) Oh - and than add in an expanding cap - they could be $60m+ Under the cap That is a lot fo money working in the bears favor - with the one big move needed being Roquan I think. I have a feeling Bears will go from one of the most poorly cap situated teams to one of the best cap situated teams in a matter of a year. That should give the team some room to address DB and/or address the line / find potentially other weapons via FA.
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This is the best first round draft pick the bears have made in my lifetime (at initial reaction). My bears memories start around 1990 - for context. Fields may bust - but this is the player with the most pure upside of any players bears have taken since than in my opinion. What the rest of the league was thinking ignoring the 2 years plus of tape and his pure physical talent - I literally have no idea. No knock on Lance (who has similar upside IMO) and Wilson (elite arm talent but we will see how he does against better talent) but even than...Falcons and Panthers and Broncos with their mediocre qbs passing on this kid - they will regret it. Fields is going to do it - I just know it. And you might say - didn’t I supper Mitch - sure I did. He had talent and I was all over bears drafting a qb when they did in that draft. I said they had to - I would have been fine with Mitch, Deshaun or Mahomes. But fields is a more explosive athlete and he has been highly touted his whole life. #2 prospect coming out of high school - handles the massive pressure at osu and crushed it in those 2 years at starter.
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Seperate topic -if fisher looks healthy - bears could make some moves in June and sign him to be LT and swap out Leno. They will also have a ton of cap space if they want to pivot and add a lineman next year too.
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Don’t forget they get James Daniels back. He is super young and was their best guard before going down. I feel pretty good with Daniels and Whitehair plus they have some depth and I do buy Mistipher. In fact - I think there are quite a few low draft/undeafted guys who have been good centers over past decade. Love the move to get Jenkins. He probably isn’t an lt - but he is nasty and I think has a chance to be a good one. Just love this draft - Fields has a ton of upside. One reporter talked to half of the leagues scouts and of the half talked two - half of them had Fields supposedly ahead of Lawrence. I heard he was #2 on most teams draft boards (QB) yet he was the 4th qb taken. This guy has played at the highest level, under pressure and always delivered. He is also an absolute STELLAR athlete. I believe he is now 3rd fastest qb in league and he is tall and has a big and accurate arm. We will see if he can speed up his decision making - but this dude is a stud athlete - way better than Mitch as a prospect, IMO.
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Is this the draft that goes down in history where the Bears/Packers luck flipped. Bears draft franchise QB - Packers trade HOF QB elsewhere? I saw a report where Schlerth (Broncos/ESPN Guy) indicated he was hearing Broncos making very aggressive push and deal was close. I am sure Packers will get a haul - but man - Bears are due for some good QB luck...right.
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Plus - He is the opposite of Mitch in the sense that Burrow's transferred out of OSU because he knew he couldn't beat out Fields as QB1. I will also point out Fields transferred from Georgia because Georgia had Fromm and didn't want to pivot (and eventually regretted it). He feels like Watson - where people saw him excel for so long - that they over thought it. He is big, extremely fast/athletic, and throws an accurate ball. Yes - there are questions about how quick he processed the field etc at times - but lets be honest - some guys will develop, some won't - but he has a TON of skills and has beat some really really talented teams and played awesome against some real good defenses.
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This would be PHENOMENAL. I can't argue with any of it
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We just need Fields to be good - either way - they wren't taking a QB early next year (class isn't depth) - so really it was you get one this year or you aren't picking one until 2023 - which basically means you are punting 2 years only to hope you get a QB in '23. So fired up for this move. Yeah we gave up a 1st plus some other stuff, but we have opportunity to add some more good guys this year and are going to see the cap space explode in a year. Plus we have 2 good vets to surround Fields by so we don't have to rush him. Nagy has no excuse - but just so fired up they were bold and went up here. Draft worked out so well. Thought they would have to give up way more...so nice. Now I would hope we get a good value offer to maybe move down in the 2nd - stack up some extra 3rd/4ths and get more depth.
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Pace had a crappy initial draft and missed on Mitch. Outside of that - Pace has been a very good drafter. In fact better than most GM's. Problem is that QB miss is huge and he's had some big misses in FA. I am hoping he gets QB right this year and Nagy shows he can learn and it turns out the Bears have 2 really good guys running the ship. Probably not - but it could happen...right.
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This - I think moving up is fantastic - cause it meant we went up and got hopeful value for one of the top guys in a deep QB draft. I don't see a scenario where we get any of the top 5 at 20 - so taking a QB at 20 is probably the worse case scenario because it means we are really reaching and taking the 6th QB in the draft at 20. So that is probably my worse case scenario - Trask or Mills or Mond at 20. Quite frankly - it is easy for me: QB (well above anything else & I pay a premium and willing to move up to get one - but I won't give up more than next years FRP (i.e., no Niners deal where we give up 2). OT / WR / DB - all 3 of these are on similar page so I go based upon BPA as it fits this needs - with some weight on the overall depth of draft at respective positions.
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Awful disease and awful news. Sending best wishes to Mongo and his family.
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Better yet - if Pats go swing for Jimmy G at some point - maybe you have 3 teams fighting for 2 QB's - which has to again increase the odds to move up.
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The key is - Lance/Fields get to the Panthers pick - the cost should be less. The way I see it - at that point - you have Pats, Redskins, Bears, and Patriots as 4 teams vying for those 2 remaining QB's. The cost to move up is not going to be 3 1st round picks - reality is you are going to more likely be talking about this years first, plus next years 1st and maybe some swapping of other picks. At that point - feels like the juice is worth the squeeze. Will hurt to lose a 1st round pick next year - but Bears cap position will be significantly better. A lot of dead cap space gone, full flexibility with Dalton/Foles & Graham. Lower dead cap hits on Mack (if you want to move), ability to create space with Robinson (or trade), plus ability to do the same with Leno. And for those that say - just draft a later round QB - you aren't going to solve the QB problem doing it. There is no sure thing doing what I propose - but swinging at FRP's at QB is a higher % play than drafting later round picks and hoping you find Brady/Wilson/Brees. https://www.espn.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/34139/why-its-so-hard-to-find-developmental-qbs-in-the-nfl-drafts-middle-rounds
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110% agree with both of you.
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In some ways - it isn't wrong. Trubisky and Foles were not good. Foles was worse - Trubisky was a bit better due to his athleticism, but he wasn't breaking down defenses on the regular. Nagy has consistently had BAD QB play. Maybe it is him and his playbook, etc...maybe it is fact he has his hands tied by lousy QB's. See Shanny in San Fran - only so much you can do without having a real good QB.
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I wouldn't worry about a QB transferring - Kyler Murray transferred from A&M to OU and looks every bit the part. Reality is in this day and age - guys aren't going to sit around waiting and Georgia has whiffed more than a few times on some top level QB's who ended up elsewhere. The inverse is true - Joe Burrow couldn't start with Ohio State and ended up at LSU. He went on to become #1 overall pick and flashed a lot to like before he went down with injury in his rookie season. I actually would be pretty pleased if the Bears could get Fields. He has his flaws - but so does every QB. He is very talented though and highly athletic.
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That can't possibly be correct. The Bears couldn't trade a 2nd next year + 4th/6th for a 7th overall pick. No possible way. And again - not for a 16th overall pick. If they could - Pace would have already done that. There is something extremely wrong with that persons math/logic. Lets remember - a 2nd round pick a year from now is worth a 3rd. The 4th round pick is also a next year pick - so that is worth a 5th. So basically the logic above says I could trade a 3rd, 5th, and 6th round pick for FRP? No chance.
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Biggs reported that it sounds like Bears will not get Williams.
