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I liked it better when it was just a two day event. Waking up Saturday mornings and watching the draft all day was the best.

One guy that I kind of hope the Bears take a chance on is Marcus Lattimore. Great kid. I'm rooting like heck for him to succeed. He deserves it after what he's been through.

Seems like Taylor is a prototypical cover 2 corner. Someone who's physical and athletic enough to retreat and react. This would be a very surprising pick to me if we take him at 20, and not in a trade down situation.

It seems like every year, right before the draft, is when teams start sending out smokescreens to either boost the value of a player or diminish it. When I see somebody's stock change pretty dramatically for no apparent reason, a couple of nights before the draft, I have to pause. It'd be great if Ogletree fell to the 2nd round where we could snatch him up, but it would shock the hell out of me.

Ogletree's stock falling right before the draft?? I smell smokescreens.

Did the Bears have a private workout with Shea McClellin before they drafted him? I can't recall. I'm wondering if this is a smokescreen as well.

Didn't see this posted anywhere. Thoughts?

These guys aren't signing up to be chemical engineers, they are here to play football. You don't have to be a smart person to be good at playing football. "A 2009 study by Brian D. Lyons, Brian J. Hoffman, and John W. Michel found that Wonderlic scores failed to positively and significantly predict future NFL performance for any position." That is a snippet from Wikipedia, but the fact of the matter is you really don't even need the studies to know that it's true. I'm clear on what the test is suppose to cover. I'm still not sure about how any of that relates to what you do on the field.

Not to get too off track here but I read a tweet from Chris Mortenson about the Bills locking in on drafting Ryan Nassib at #8. He's the one quarterback that I'd be okay with the Bears taking a chance on. He's got a cannon of an arm.

I can see the change in vascularity. Veins sticking out a little bit more. Definitely added some tattoos over the offseason as well. Maybe a minor difference in arms size. Glad to see him take his training seriously. Hope it continues.

Kind of hard to tell from this pic, but this is from minicamp.

I don't find value as it relates to football performance. Unless you can find actual studies that have been proven to suggest that it does then I'd be more open to accepting that belief. As I mentioned above, there is just so many inconsistencies.

That'll work for me. Kromer was the OL coach for that team as well, was he not?

That's great to hear! Hope Jeffery can actually put that weight back on in muscle now. I'd like to see him come into camp a little more muscular so he can have his way with defensive backs this year.

Those are much better indicators though because it actually relates to football. I agree with your last part. I have my concerns as well about his size, not so much height wise, but weight wise. I'm encouraged by the fact that he looks like he's put time in the weight room, so he's not a toothpick like Desean Jackson. That should help quite a bit. He's also proven to be quite durable at the collegiate level by playing in every game. As far as how much the system benefited him? It surely helped, but his explosiveness and raw speed are two things that will definitely translate to the next level. Nobody was more explosive than Tavon Austin. Some things you just can't teach a player, and he's a guy who just makes plays. He will need time, like any young WR, to adjust to the NFL game, but one thing for sure that I think will translate right away is his ability to return kicks. Even if he's not a productive offensive player in year 1 or 2, he is going to be a major factor on special teams, which is another reason why I find him so intriguing.

The fact that there have been other cases of players scoring low and performing well and players scoring well and performing terrible means that it is not necessarily a factor in anything performance related. You don't know Vince Young's low test score had anything to do with his failures as a quarterback. You basically just proved my point in your last line there about Gabbert. Too much inconsistency to be able to prove anything, which is why I, personally, don't consider it a factor. Interviewing somebody and timed test taking are two completely different things. Interviewing is a more productive way of getting to know somebody. Get them on the board and have them draw up plays in front of you to better demonstrate how much they can tell you about their role in the offense. Thanks for the help on learning what the word "may" means, but it wasn't necessary. Personally, I'd rather talk to somebody face to face and get a feel for them that way as opposed to jumping to conclusions about a man's potential inability to learn a playbook based off of a test that has never been proven to demonstrate the things you and others have speculated they may have. If you want to put stock into those test scores, more power to you. "For anyone who remembers teammates having to tell Hester where to line up on plays, yes, it is a factor" ^^ That is what you said. You used Hester as part of your argument to insinuate meaning behind the Wonderlic Test, as if you were trying to attribute Austin's test score to make him out to be incompetent the way Hester is. I'm not having any luck finding out what Devin Hester's Wonderlic score was exactly so unless you were able to find it, I'm assuming you are just making a guess as to what the score was, and then also trying to make the connection between the score and a player's inability to learn an NFL playbook. Austin's improvements as a player and desire to get stronger in the weight room speak to his work ethic much more than that test ever will.

If somebody with a learning disability is able to comprehend well enough to learn an NFL offense, especially one as complex as San Francisco's, I think Tavon Austin will be just fine. Again, there is no study out there that shows there is any correlation between your score on the wonderlic and how that translates to on-field performance.

Supposedly Gould still isn't healthy enough to kick yet. Still recovering from the calf injury. Must have been something serious. Didn't expect to hear that news today.

Were you watching the Sports Talk Live show on CSN earlier? If that's what you were referring to, I happened to catch that part of it. Kaplan pretty much lead him into the question by asking him if he'd like to play for the Bears because of his connection with Trestman from his days as a 49'er. He said he'd like to, but also is open to anybody that would give him a job. I don't think you have anything to worry about though. The Bears aren't interested.

AJ Green scored a 10 on his wonderlic test. Bad pick by the Bengals.

So Tavon Austin is now Devin Hester because of a bad score on a meaningless test? Gotcha. Didn't really see him have much trouble lining up all over the field for West Virginia while he was there. Yeah I guess that means Frank Gore would have been a bad draft pick then. After all, he only scored a 6. How is he able to play in such a complex offense with the 49'ers after scoring so low on the Wonderlic?!! There has never been a study that shows how a Wonderlic score will translate to any sort of advantage on the football field or make any determinations about a player's success at the next level. There are a lot of people that think it's useless.

You'd be hard pressed to see a team offer a 7th round pick for Hester.

Lmao. We're scratching players off the list now because of Wonderlic scores? Good to know we're pretending to believe those things matter now,

Meh.. This isn't Mike Martz's 7 step drop offense anymore. I think Trestman knows the value in protecting the quarterback. West Coast offenses utilize more 3-5 step drops that are designed to get the ball out quicker, thus making it more difficult to reach the quarterback. I feel much more confident now than I've ever felt before, thanks to the addition of Aaron Kromer and an offensive minded HC. I remember when Trestman got hired they threw out a stat from his first season in the CFL and his team improved dramatically in pass protection from the year before, prior to his hiring.

I would be thrilled with Austin in the first, but It's hard for me to see him slipping all the way to 20, given he's the best WR in this class.