This is kind of off where the subject has traveled, but relevant to the original topic.

 

Another option with Cutler I forgot to mention is to give him the June 1st designation and cut him before March 13th. It would put his cap hit this year at his current cap hit ($16.5 million) minus his new salary. Likely, his hit would go down to at least $13-$15 million for this year. The June first designation would push $3 million in dead cap money to 2016.

The only way I would trade/cut Cutler is if I knew who was replacing him.

 

I feel like the defense was so bad the last few years that we wouldn't have done much better with anyone else anyway. So gaining cap space is great, but that doesn't guarantee anything.

 

One crazy scenario I thought about has us in a 3 way trade with Philly and Tennessee where Philly drafts Mariota, we get Foles, and Tennessee gets Cutler and some picks.

 

Yeah, when you mentioned Foles, I threw up on my computer. That's a downgrade.

 

 

 

 

Cutlers INT% was 3.2....Know what Foles was???? 3.2

 

Jay also had the higher TD% 4.2 vs 5.0.

 

He's cheaper yes, but I'm not sure hes an upgrade.

 

 

Overall I'm right there with you in that the way we get rid of Cutler is with a replacement. I may be alone on this but I really think Fox can do what he did in Carolina and Denver and turn this team around in a year, and I think that happens with Jay as the QB.

 

You are not alone. I think you can win with Jay. Fox should be the strong leader the team desperately needed. Run the shit out of the ball, take pressure of Cutler. Improve the D and they could push for the playoffs.

 

5-11 last year

Minus Trestsman and Tucker= + 2 game win

Add Fox and Fangio and Gase + 1 or +2

Run the Ball + 1

Improve D + 1

 

10 wins next season! Pretty simple if you ask me...lol

You are not alone. I think you can win with Jay. Fox should be the strong leader the team desperately needed. Run the shit out of the ball, take pressure of Cutler. Improve the D and they could push for the playoffs.

 

5-11 last year

Minus Trestsman and Tucker= + 2 game win

Add Fox and Fangio and Gase + 1 or +2

Run the Ball + 1

Improve D + 1

 

10 wins next season! Pretty simple if you ask me...lol

 

I'm totally convinced that Fox can get the team, nearly in the condition it's in now personnel wise, to the playoffs. And whether Cutler plays or not to me is a non-factor.

Yeah, when you mentioned Foles, I threw up on my computer. That's a downgrade.

That is sort of my point. Here are all the QBs available via trade or free agency; are any of these better than Cutler:

 

Sam Bradford, Nick Foles, Jake Locker, Brian Hoyer, Kyle Orton, Matt Moore, Michael Vick, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, Jason Campbell, Tavaris Campbell, Ryan Mallett

That is sort of my point. Here are all the QBs available via trade or free agency; are any of these better than Cutler:

 

Sam Bradford, Nick Foles, Jake Locker, Brian Hoyer, Kyle Orton, Matt Moore, Michael Vick, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, Jason Campbell, Tavaris Campbell, Ryan Mallett

 

If you could promise me he would stay healthy, I'd say Sam Bradford. But dude is made of glass and you'd have to have a strong backup behind him.

 

Orton probably retires.

 

Foles, Locker, and Sanchez all had worse INT%. Hoyer was just .2 % away.

 

Mallet is somewhat intriguing but impossible to call better.

 

The rest are backups.

 

 

we can argue in circles about this the entire offseason and still end up in the same place. We can discuss the numbers as much as we want. But at the end of the day it's up to Fox and Pace to decide if they think we can win with Jay, if we should cut him and when to do so, or seek trade offers. My guess is they are looking at all the possibilities. And will decide which one is the best for the team now and future.

 

In a lot of ways Jay is what he is. I don't think there's much growth potential for a 32 year old 10 year vet. His issues, and limitations are known and at this point winning with him involves an offensive scheme that plays to his strengths rather than asking him to be what he isn't. I think Trestman's system asked him to be what he isn't. How many of us watched the offense the last two years and wondered why we don't do more roll outs, bootlegs, etc to use his mobility. An offense that asks Jay to be a pure pocket passer or statue does not play to his strengths but rather exposes his weakness. A pass happy offense doesn't help either. In the past I think we've coaches that were either stuck on their system or didn't have a clue how to organize an NFL system and tried to fit the players to their scheme whether they fit or not and some players were of the square peg/round hole ilk. I feel for the first time in a long long time we have a real professional NFL staff here. So I trust their Judgement. I also feel that this staff will tailer their schemes to what we have on the roster and who we draft or bring in during FA. The ultimate goal is to build for the long term and if we happen to win now or turn things around quickly while doing so great, but I don't see us mortgaging the future to win now. I'm content to sit back and let Fox, Pace, and Gase decide Jay's future. I do feel in the right setting/offense we can win with Jay by playing to his strengths rather than ask him to be something he's not.

we can argue in circles about this the entire offseason and still end up in the same place. We can discuss the numbers as much as we want. But at the end of the day it's up to Fox and Pace to decide if they think we can win with Jay, if we should cut him and when to do so, or seek trade offers. My guess is they are looking at all the possibilities. And will decide which one is the best for the team now and future.

 

In a lot of ways Jay is what he is. I don't think there's much growth potential for a 32 year old 10 year vet. His issues, and limitations are known and at this point winning with him involves an offensive scheme that plays to his strengths rather than asking him to be what he isn't. I think Trestman's system asked him to be what he isn't. How many of us watched the offense the last two years and wondered why we don't do more roll outs, bootlegs, etc to use his mobility. An offense that asks Jay to be a pure pocket passer or statue does not play to his strengths but rather exposes his weakness. A pass happy offense doesn't help either. In the past I think we've coaches that were either stuck on their system or didn't have a clue how to organize an NFL system and tried to fit the players to their scheme whether they fit or not and some players were of the square peg/round hole ilk. I feel for the first time in a long long time we have a real professional NFL staff here. So I trust their Judgement. I also feel that this staff will tailer their schemes to what we have on the roster and who we draft or bring in during FA. The ultimate goal is to build for the long term and if we happen to win now or turn things around quickly while doing so great, but I don't see us mortgaging the future to win now. I'm content to sit back and let Fox, Pace, and Gase decide Jay's future. I do feel in the right setting/offense we can win with Jay by playing to his strengths rather than ask him to be something he's not.

totally agree, the only opinions that count are our new leaders, trust in them until they prove to not be deserving of their trust. looking good so far

In a lot of ways Jay is what he is. I don't think there's much growth potential for a 32 year old 10 year vet.

He is what he is but I still think he can play better. There were clear disconnects from the entire team last year. 2013 was more in line with where I believe we can be offensively. Cutler can improve and he will need to or he will no longer be on the team. Older players can play better in their 30's, Gannon and Young both figured it out in their 30s.

He is what he is but I still think he can play better. There were clear disconnects from the entire team last year. 2013 was more in line with where I believe we can be offensively. Cutler can improve and he will need to or he will no longer be on the team. Older players can play better in their 30's, Gannon and Young both figured it out in their 30s.

 

Yup, even Bennett, who some say "damned" Cutler in his interview on first take, said that some of Jays INTs were on the receivers. There was a clear disconnect all across the whole team offensively and defenisively. Get everyone on the same page, have a coaching staff that knows how to adapt, get the OL healthy and perhaps add a piece or 2 to it, and the offense, with Jay, should flourish.

Yup, even Bennett, who some say "damned" Cutler in his interview on first take, said that some of Jays INTs were on the receivers. There was a clear disconnect all across the whole team offensively and defenisively. Get everyone on the same page, have a coaching staff that knows how to adapt, get the OL healthy and perhaps add a piece or 2 to it, and the offense, with Jay, should flourish.

Just holding players accountable is going to have a huge positive effect on this team.