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[adam]

14 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Yes that's why we should be lucky we have Poles even with his mistakes. 

 

I honestly think two things hurt Poles in his first few years as a GM, Eberflus and Fields. It seems he was forced to hire Eberflus or pick from a small list with Eberflus being the best option. Then having to figure out if Fields was the real deal or not as quickly as possible, which sort of forced the Claypool trade and overpay for Davis. Since that point, Poles has been about as good as you can be as a GM given the restraints and resources.

Williams for Young straight up is a win for the Bears, but then when you think you ended up with 6 starters for that one pick is crazy, all thanks to Lovie and Davis Mills comeback win.

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, adam said:

I honestly think two things hurt Poles in his first few years as a GM, Eberflus and Fields. It seems he was forced to hire Eberflus or pick from a small list with Eberflus being the best option. Then having to figure out if Fields was the real deal or not as quickly as possible, which sort of forced the Claypool trade and overpay for Davis. Since that point, Poles has been about as good as you can be as a GM given the restraints and resources.

Williams for Young straight up is a win for the Bears, but then when you think you ended up with 6 starters for that one pick is crazy, all thanks to Lovie and Davis Mills comeback win.

100%, but it wasnt as if Poles made that happen. When we traded the rights to Young, we could have had CJ stroud, and there was no guarantee that Carolina would give us the #1 pick the next year. We got VERY lucky, and to get Williams out of it was a godsend. But Poles didnt know that would happen. So I dunno if we can give him all the credit for that?

[adam]

16 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

100%, but it wasnt as if Poles made that happen. When we traded the rights to Young, we could have had CJ stroud, and there was no guarantee that Carolina would give us the #1 pick the next year. We got VERY lucky, and to get Williams out of it was a godsend. But Poles didnt know that would happen. So I dunno if we can give him all the credit for that?

Yeah, it is definitely challenging to assess, but I think you have to break it down step by step at the time of execution.

First, he made the trade assuming the 2024 QB Class would be better than the 2023 Class. He nailed that.

Then there's getting Moore in the trade. Even with a terrible offense, Moore has been 6th in the NFL in receptions over the last two years and 8th in receiving yards. That's top-ten WR production. Adding Moore also ensured you had a solid eval of Fields. So I would say this was another feather for Poles. 

Then it's the Darnell Wright pick. Just exclusively evaluating Wright compared to other OL drafted around him (Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Broderick Jones), Wright was the Wright pick. 

Then it comes up to the 2024 draft, I think we have to wait longer to assess if he got the picks correct, but at the time of the picks, I would've taken Williams and Odunze (or Bowers), so this is leaning towards being the right moves. 

Then he closed it out with the Burden pick. So he could've done things differently in hindsight, but at the time of the moves and state of the team, they seem to be as close to on point as you can get.

 

 

[Stinger226]

When Poles was hired he was handed the coach by the committee they had. He was new and wasnt going to rock the boat. Fields was there so any GM is going to give a first round pick a chance to prove himself. I think both V Jones and Claypool were reaches to try to give Fields a better WR corp. He was getting hammered in the press for not having weapons. I also think he wanted to interveiw Harbaugh but Warren nixxed that interview. 

I think he has did an excelllent job managing the Cap. I think he is learning on the job. Truthfully his first draft in 2022 is the only one you can measure logically. We didnt have a first round pick. We had 11 total up from 7 to begin with. 7 are still on the roster. Gill was our punter for 3 yrs, Sanborn and Blackwell were UDFAs with Blackwell still on the roster.. 

Gordon, Prisker, Braxton, Hicks , Sanborn, (now gone) and Blackwell would have be considered successful players. Kramer and Robinison will probably be gone this yr with a upgraded roster but are still here. 

V Jones was a bust, other later rounds picks lasted awhile but are gone. 

Looking back I would give this a B grade.

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, adam said:

Yeah, it is definitely challenging to assess, but I think you have to break it down step by step at the time of execution.

First, he made the trade assuming the 2024 QB Class would be better than the 2023 Class. He nailed that.

Then there's getting Moore in the trade. Even with a terrible offense, Moore has been 6th in the NFL in receptions over the last two years and 8th in receiving yards. That's top-ten WR production. Adding Moore also ensured you had a solid eval of Fields. So I would say this was another feather for Poles. 

Then it's the Darnell Wright pick. Just exclusively evaluating Wright compared to other OL drafted around him (Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Broderick Jones), Wright was the Wright pick. 

Then it comes up to the 2024 draft, I think we have to wait longer to assess if he got the picks correct, but at the time of the picks, I would've taken Williams and Odunze (or Bowers), so this is leaning towards being the right moves. 

Then he closed it out with the Burden pick. So he could've done things differently in hindsight, but at the time of the moves and state of the team, they seem to be as close to on point as you can get.

 

 

agree with all of this. In not knocking what Poles DID do, just saying that he gets credit for being lucky too. If Carolina wins 2 more games, we end up with Drake Maye instead of Caleb Williams, and this all looks really different.

[Stinger226]

13 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

agree with all of this. In not knocking what Poles DID do, just saying that he gets credit for being lucky too. If Carolina wins 2 more games, we end up with Drake Maye instead of Caleb Williams, and this all looks really different.

How do you grade his first draft? 2022   Blue player Kyler Gordon, starters Brisker, Jones. 3 yr starters Trent Gill, Jack Sandborn . quaility backups Elijah Hicks and Josh Blackwell. Roster players Robinson and Kramer. 

[BearFan PHX]

19 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

How do you grade his first draft? 2022   Blue player Kyler Gordon, starters Brisker, Jones. 3 yr starters Trent Gill, Jack Sandborn . quaility backups Elijah Hicks and Josh Blackwell. Roster players Robinson and Kramer. 

Dude calm down - its like you feel anything less than an A+ is an attack on family or something. You're obsessively overly positive about every member of the team.

Ive already said that Poles has done a lot of good things. Im not trying to get rid of him now.

I think he has done some things well and other things less well, and also received credit for things that he really didnt do - like Carolina winning in the last second so we could have CW.

It's OK to have a nuanced opinion that includes positives and negatives. Maybe your psychological idea that people are entirely negative or positive applies to you, but for most of us, there is good and bad in everything.

But Poles doesnt need you to defend him from me.

Here are some partial lists off the top of my head

THE GOOD
disciplined cap management
good picks in the secondary

THE BAD
Eberflus
Getsy
Waldron
Morgan
Claypool
Velus Jones
Nate Davis

THE MIDDLE
Extending Kmet
DJ Moore

THE QUESTIONABLE
the OL over his tenure
the DL over his tenure

THE WAYS HE GOT LUCKY
Caleb Williams
 

[Stinger226]

You keep making comments like( Poles could have drafted Stroud), you say Poles was lucky with the trade, you keep defering to giving him credit . 

I rated the draft a B and your first statement is calm down I only expect A+ grades for everybody. I gave him a B and listed his fails. I asked for your 2022 grade and look what you wrote. 

I just respond to some of your opinions just like you do to mine. But for some reason, mine are all ridiclous and yours comes from the FOOTBALL BIBLE. 

If I was on here hammering Caleb for not being good his first year, holding the ball to long, not seeing open players, rarely hitting his outlet throws instead of taking sacks. You would be all over me with your opinions but when I talk up Poles, Im overdoing it. 

This is a fan board giving opinions, no reason to get excited every time I disagree with you. 

[BearFan PHX]

See this is the problem. All I care about is the Bears. You seem to care about winning points with me.

We will see how this all works out in time.