Bears select Luther Burden (WR) at Pick #39

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8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Talking about someone getting traded is just fantasy and not about hurting someones feelings, unless you're refering to yours because the Bears arent going to do that. FF starts in September. Criticizing a team is normal dialuoge, who said it was being disloyal? Looking at a glass half full  is also part of fandom.

You act like we insulted a member of your family when we criticize the players. Like their feelings are hurt, and you need to defend them. Then you just tried to tell us all that "Time to jump on board instead of still questioning everything." so - no.

This from the guy who was one of the last to give up on Fields - who didnt want Caleb?

We are gonna question whatever we want to. We are gonna say things are good or bad. We are gonna wonder how this experiment is gonna work.

All of us are optimistic about all of this too, which makes these reactions of yours even weirder.

Also, you dont know whats fantasy and what isnt. You dont know who the Bears will trade or not. You say these things like they are absolute truths, and yet over and over when you and I have disagreed, I have ended up being right. At some point, you should at least respect my right to hold an opposing view, since youve been wrong so many times. I think I've earned that.

Remember a few months ago when you told us that there would be no more than 2 new faces on the OL? You constantly want to tell us that people already on the roster are great, and just need another chance. "Theres no way the Bears..." how the hell do YOU know?! "Poles would never..." uh huh.

So yes you are entitled to your opinion, but youre wrong all the time, so maybe lecturing us on whether we can say negative things is kinda cringey at this point?

Stay in your lane!

[AZ54]

12 hours ago, Daventry said:

Absolutely.  I hope the Bears are successful, but year after year they are terrible with a new excuse every year.  The one common denominator is the owners.

Soldier field?  

[BearFan PHX]

13 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Soldier field?  

this board? LOL

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

You act like we insulted a member of your family when we criticize the players. Like their feelings are hurt, and you need to defend them. Then you just tried to tell us all that "Time to jump on board instead of still questioning everything." so - no.



We are gonna question whatever we want to. We are gonna say things are good or bad. We are gonna wonder how this experiment is gonna work.

All of us are optimistic about all of this too, which makes these reactions of yours even weirder.

Also, you dont know whats fantasy and what isnt. You dont know who the Bears will trade or not. You say these things like they are absolute truths, and yet over and over when you and I have disagreed, I have ended up being right. At some point, you should at least respect my right to hold an opposing view, since youve been wrong so many times. I think I've earned that.

Remember a few months ago when you told us that there would be no more than 2 new faces on the OL? You constantly want to tell us that people already on the roster are great, and just need another chance. "Theres no way the Bears..." how the hell do YOU know?! "Poles would never..." uh huh.

So yes you are entitled to your opinion, but youre wrong all the time, so maybe lecturing us on whether we can say negative things is kinda cringey at this point?

Stay in your lane!

As soon as we drafted Loveland, you have suggested Kmet will be traded. I  disagree with that opinion.  My opinions are never absolute . It is just what you are reading into my words. I try to guess what the Bears are doing and trading Kmet makes no sense so I say it like its not going to happen and you keep saying (but it could).

Of course it is an option but why would they do that? Colston isnt even on the field yet, he could get injuried after he gets back, he could take time to adjust to the NFL. Until BJs offense is up an running there is no way to guess what it will look like. They are not upside down on the Cap, so they are not trading a proven NFL player before or mid season. Next year is a whole set of different circumstances and he may not finish his contract here but that isnt even in their thought process right now.

For some reason, if I dont agree with you, you say things like (insulting a member of your family) because I double down on my opinion (just like you) .

I showed reasons that this year is different as most say (same old Bears). I am not putting a gun to anyone's head and saying you have to believe what I do. Its okay to have a different opinion. When double down on (they could trade him) I double down on thier not,

Why is being optimistic (weird)?

(This from the guy who was one of the last to give up on Fields - who didnt want Caleb? )  this comment has nothing to do with this conversation but of course you always take it somewhere else .

When we dont trade Kmet, I wont be bringing up how you were wrong about that because IDC 
 

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32 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

As soon as we drafted Loveland, you have suggested Kmet will be traded. I  disagree with that opinion.  My opinions are never absolute . It is just what you are reading into my words. I try to guess what the Bears are doing and trading Kmet makes no sense so I say it like its not going to happen and you keep saying (but it could).

Of course it is an option but why would they do that? Colston isnt even on the field yet, he could get injuried after he gets back, he could take time to adjust to the NFL. Until BJs offense is up an running there is no way to guess what it will look like. They are not upside down on the Cap, so they are not trading a proven NFL player before or mid season. Next year is a whole set of different circumstances and he may not finish his contract here but that isnt even in their thought process right now.

For some reason, if I dont agree with you, you say things like (insulting a member of your family) because I double down on my opinion (just like you) .

I showed reasons that this year is different as most say (same old Bears). I am not putting a gun to anyone's head and saying you have to believe what I do. Its okay to have a different opinion. When double down on (they could trade him) I double down on thier not,

Why is being optimistic (weird)?

(This from the guy who was one of the last to give up on Fields - who didnt want Caleb? )  this comment has nothing to do with this conversation but of course you always take it somewhere else .

When we dont trade Kmet, I wont be bringing up how you were wrong about that because IDC 
 

NO NO NO.

Youre making strawmen up and then arguing with your fake assumptions.

I have ZERO problem with you disagreeing with me, or having opinions that i think are wrong. Thats FINE thats what this board is FOR.

But you literally told us "Time to jump on board instead of still questioning everything." - like our questioning was a problem. Dont turn this around into our having a problem with you having an opinion - its the opposite.

You tell me im pessimistic by nature, that i just want to crap on players. You do it ALL the time. Have your opinion, Ill have mine, that makes the world go around.

But stop telling us that we cant express concern about players on this team - this isnt a pep club. Its a bunch of fans, who as far as I can tell all LOVE the Bears, and spend a HUGE amount of time on them.

So if we want to say that a player should be traded, or whatever, then thats OK. We dont need to get in line and be good little fans, I dont know where that crap comes from, but its ridiculous.

And also, for the millionth time. I am not saying Kmet should be traded now. Did you read that? You continue to put words in my mouth. Im NOT saying he should be traded now. I AM saying that he is on the bubble, and he needs to show something or he will be gone next year, or possibly at the trade deadline.

But mostly, your overly rosy viewpoint, the one where for years you keep telling us that what we have on the team is good enough is getting tired. Obviously Poles didnt agree. He didnt think "hey weve got to give Jenkins another chance" like you did. He didnt think "hey lets roll another year with Fields" like you did. He didnt think "Bates will be good at center this year, we dont need another player" like you did. He didnt think "Kmet is one of the top TEs int he league so we dont need to draft one high" like you did. He didn't think "Caleb holds the ball too long and shouldnt be a number one pick" like you did. And Eberflus didnt "just need another year"  like you thought.

I appreciate the optimism, but at some point, your homer fan's obsession with thinking everyone on the roster just needs another chance is ridiculous. Of course you are entitled to your opinion - but not your shaming us for not sharing it. We are entitled to our opinions too, and over the past few years, our track record is a LOT better than yours.

We have been SO bad for SO long, we have every right to be cynical, and make projections about our players.

And the funny thing is, I'm NOT a pessimist. I'm extremely excited about this season. I think our roster is better than it's been in many years. I think Caleb is going to be the best QB in Bears history. And I think we are opening a window to contend for a SB.

So this nonsense that keeps coming from you about how we need to think differently, or hold our tongues, adjust our psychological perspectives or whatever the hell it is is unwelcome and inappropriate.

At some point, after youve been wrong SO many times, maybe have the humility to realize that some other people on this board might know what they are talking about?