Bears select Luther Burden (WR) at Pick #39

[BearFan PHX]

8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Talking about someone getting traded is just fantasy and not about hurting someones feelings, unless you're refering to yours because the Bears arent going to do that. FF starts in September. Criticizing a team is normal dialuoge, who said it was being disloyal? Looking at a glass half full  is also part of fandom.

You act like we insulted a member of your family when we criticize the players. Like their feelings are hurt, and you need to defend them. Then you just tried to tell us all that "Time to jump on board instead of still questioning everything." so - no.

This from the guy who was one of the last to give up on Fields - who didnt want Caleb?

We are gonna question whatever we want to. We are gonna say things are good or bad. We are gonna wonder how this experiment is gonna work.

All of us are optimistic about all of this too, which makes these reactions of yours even weirder.

Also, you dont know whats fantasy and what isnt. You dont know who the Bears will trade or not. You say these things like they are absolute truths, and yet over and over when you and I have disagreed, I have ended up being right. At some point, you should at least respect my right to hold an opposing view, since youve been wrong so many times. I think I've earned that.

Remember a few months ago when you told us that there would be no more than 2 new faces on the OL? You constantly want to tell us that people already on the roster are great, and just need another chance. "Theres no way the Bears..." how the hell do YOU know?! "Poles would never..." uh huh.

So yes you are entitled to your opinion, but youre wrong all the time, so maybe lecturing us on whether we can say negative things is kinda cringey at this point?

Stay in your lane!

[AZ54]

12 hours ago, Daventry said:

Absolutely.  I hope the Bears are successful, but year after year they are terrible with a new excuse every year.  The one common denominator is the owners.

Soldier field?  

[BearFan PHX]

13 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Soldier field?  

this board? LOL

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

You act like we insulted a member of your family when we criticize the players. Like their feelings are hurt, and you need to defend them. Then you just tried to tell us all that "Time to jump on board instead of still questioning everything." so - no.



We are gonna question whatever we want to. We are gonna say things are good or bad. We are gonna wonder how this experiment is gonna work.

All of us are optimistic about all of this too, which makes these reactions of yours even weirder.

Also, you dont know whats fantasy and what isnt. You dont know who the Bears will trade or not. You say these things like they are absolute truths, and yet over and over when you and I have disagreed, I have ended up being right. At some point, you should at least respect my right to hold an opposing view, since youve been wrong so many times. I think I've earned that.

Remember a few months ago when you told us that there would be no more than 2 new faces on the OL? You constantly want to tell us that people already on the roster are great, and just need another chance. "Theres no way the Bears..." how the hell do YOU know?! "Poles would never..." uh huh.

So yes you are entitled to your opinion, but youre wrong all the time, so maybe lecturing us on whether we can say negative things is kinda cringey at this point?

Stay in your lane!

As soon as we drafted Loveland, you have suggested Kmet will be traded. I  disagree with that opinion.  My opinions are never absolute . It is just what you are reading into my words. I try to guess what the Bears are doing and trading Kmet makes no sense so I say it like its not going to happen and you keep saying (but it could).

Of course it is an option but why would they do that? Colston isnt even on the field yet, he could get injuried after he gets back, he could take time to adjust to the NFL. Until BJs offense is up an running there is no way to guess what it will look like. They are not upside down on the Cap, so they are not trading a proven NFL player before or mid season. Next year is a whole set of different circumstances and he may not finish his contract here but that isnt even in their thought process right now.

For some reason, if I dont agree with you, you say things like (insulting a member of your family) because I double down on my opinion (just like you) .

I showed reasons that this year is different as most say (same old Bears). I am not putting a gun to anyone's head and saying you have to believe what I do. Its okay to have a different opinion. When double down on (they could trade him) I double down on thier not,

Why is being optimistic (weird)?

(This from the guy who was one of the last to give up on Fields - who didnt want Caleb? )  this comment has nothing to do with this conversation but of course you always take it somewhere else .

When we dont trade Kmet, I wont be bringing up how you were wrong about that because IDC 
 

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

As soon as we drafted Loveland, you have suggested Kmet will be traded. I  disagree with that opinion.  My opinions are never absolute . It is just what you are reading into my words. I try to guess what the Bears are doing and trading Kmet makes no sense so I say it like its not going to happen and you keep saying (but it could).

Of course it is an option but why would they do that? Colston isnt even on the field yet, he could get injuried after he gets back, he could take time to adjust to the NFL. Until BJs offense is up an running there is no way to guess what it will look like. They are not upside down on the Cap, so they are not trading a proven NFL player before or mid season. Next year is a whole set of different circumstances and he may not finish his contract here but that isnt even in their thought process right now.

For some reason, if I dont agree with you, you say things like (insulting a member of your family) because I double down on my opinion (just like you) .

I showed reasons that this year is different as most say (same old Bears). I am not putting a gun to anyone's head and saying you have to believe what I do. Its okay to have a different opinion. When double down on (they could trade him) I double down on thier not,

Why is being optimistic (weird)?

(This from the guy who was one of the last to give up on Fields - who didnt want Caleb? )  this comment has nothing to do with this conversation but of course you always take it somewhere else .

When we dont trade Kmet, I wont be bringing up how you were wrong about that because IDC 
 

NO NO NO.

Youre making strawmen up and then arguing with your fake assumptions.

I have ZERO problem with you disagreeing with me, or having opinions that i think are wrong. Thats FINE thats what this board is FOR.

But you literally told us "Time to jump on board instead of still questioning everything." - like our questioning was a problem. Dont turn this around into our having a problem with you having an opinion - its the opposite.

You tell me im pessimistic by nature, that i just want to crap on players. You say it ALL the time. Like it's not OK to have opinions you dont agree with. Have your opinion, Ill have mine, that makes the world go around.

But stop telling us that we cant express concern about players on this team - this isnt a pep club. Its a bunch of fans, who as far as I can tell all LOVE the Bears, and spend a HUGE amount of time on them.

So if we want to say that a player should be traded, or whatever, then thats OK. We dont need to get in line and be good little fans, I dont know where that crap comes from, but its ridiculous.

And also, for the millionth time. I am not saying Kmet should be traded now. Did you read that? You continue to put words in my mouth. Im NOT saying he should be traded now. I AM saying that he is on the bubble, and he needs to show something or he will be gone next year, or possibly at the trade deadline.

But mostly, your overly rosy viewpoint, the one where for years you keep telling us that what we have on the team is good enough is getting tired. Obviously Poles didnt agree. He didnt think "hey weve got to give Jenkins another chance" like you did. He didnt think "hey lets roll another year with Fields" like you did. He didnt think "Bates will be good at center this year, we dont need another player" like you did. He didnt think "Kmet is one of the top TEs int he league so we dont need to draft one high" like you did. He didn't think "Caleb holds the ball too long and shouldnt be a number one pick" like you did. And Eberflus didnt "just need another year"  like you thought.

I appreciate the optimism, but at some point, your homer fan's obsession with thinking everyone on the roster just needs another chance is ridiculous. Of course you are entitled to your opinion - but not your shaming us for not sharing it. We are entitled to our opinions too, and over the past few years, our track record is a LOT better than yours.

We have been SO bad for SO long, we have every right to be cynical, and make projections about our players.

And the funny thing is, I'm NOT a pessimist. I'm extremely excited about this season. I think our roster is better than it's been in many years. I think Caleb is going to be the best QB in Bears history. And I think we are opening a window to contend for a SB.

So this nonsense that keeps coming from you about how we need to think differently, or hold our tongues, adjust our psychological perspectives or whatever the hell it is is unwelcome and inappropriate.

At some point, after youve been wrong SO many times, maybe have the humility to realize that some other people on this board might know what they are talking about?

I personally learn more form other members of this board than i do from the sports talking heads types in mainstream media. Idiots like Greg Gabriel, Kurt Warner, Boomer Esiason and the rest just repeat poorly thought out narratives.

[jason]

20 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I've been a Bears fan since 1965. Misery has been my friend to many years. I get the animosity. This year IS different. 

Ben Johnson-DA-( top position coaches)

Caleb Williams (now if you think he could be a bust)?

?-Thumey-Dalman-Jackson-Wright (can anyone say this is not huge upgrades)?

Weapons DJ -Rome-Burden-Kmet-Loveland-Swift-Monogai (anyone disagree this is not a big upgrade) 

Defense had a very good defensive backfield,. above average LBers,.DT added Jarrett, Turner, a healthy Billings, and an improved Dexter

DE added Odayingbo, Booker came in 15 lbs heavier, a healthy Sweat.

An above average Carlos Santos and  Tory Taylor

Last year we were about to be 5-2 and a player's brainfart doomed us to a sinking ship with a dysfunctional coach. We should have won 8-9 games but the football Gods abandoned us.

If this doesnt look different to you then meet my exfriend MISERY

It definitely looks different, but we’ve seen many years that were different in the offseason/preseason. Way too many what ifs and optimistic lottery tickets. They have to prove it before I start buying jerseys again.

[Stinger226]

Jason disagrees with me and theses are his responses:

Disagree. With the Bears, it’s ALWAYS time to question everything. Until they can prove the organization isn’t a perpetual clusterf**k, everything must be questioned.

It definitely looks different, but we’ve seen many years that were different in the offseason/preseason. Way too many what ifs and optimistic lottery tickets. They have to prove it before I start buying jerseys again.\

When you disagree , you write short novels. You say things like( I'm never right,)( I have ridiculous responses, ) (call my opinions nonsense) 

I dont like you and have no problem being honest about it. You respond with a bullshit answer. Its very visual with your constant attacks on me. You must keep a database on everything I said because you keep bringing old stuff up. You have been wrong on several occassions but I dont keep throwing it in your face, because this is a discussion board and I dont try to make it personal. YOU always go there. 

Im not sure why you keep attacking me, and I have been wrong on many occassions but Im not going anywhere if that's your endgame.  I know you do this and still always try  to look like the good guy. YOU'RE NOT

 

[BearFan PHX]

53 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Jason disagrees with me and theses are his responses:

Disagree. With the Bears, it’s ALWAYS time to question everything. Until they can prove the organization isn’t a perpetual clusterf**k, everything must be questioned.

It definitely looks different, but we’ve seen many years that were different in the offseason/preseason. Way too many what ifs and optimistic lottery tickets. They have to prove it before I start buying jerseys again.\

When you disagree , you write short novels. You say things like( I'm never right,)( I have ridiculous responses, ) (call my opinions nonsense) 

I dont like you and have no problem being honest about it. You respond with a bullshit answer. Its very visual with your constant attacks on me. You must keep a database on everything I said because you keep bringing old stuff up. You have been wrong on several occassions but I dont keep throwing it in your face, because this is a discussion board and I dont try to make it personal. YOU always go there. 

Im not sure why you keep attacking me, and I have been wrong on many occassions but Im not going anywhere if that's your endgame.  I know you do this and still always try  to look like the good guy. YOU'RE NOT

 

Here's how the cycle goes:

1) I say something to the group. Something I've noticed, someone i think isn't playing well. I dont say it to you.

2) You immediately tell me I'm wrong "there is no way Poles is going to..." and call me pessimistic or disloyal or something. You probably heard Greg Gabriel say it - in fact, that's the problem, you listen to the wrong sources, and get so confident in what youre saying because they said it.

3) I wait the prescribed amount of time until the thing is proven and i was right

4) You say Im dredging the past while you continue to tell me factually why i cant be right about this thing.

repeat.

You also like to say that i must be wrong because i take the time to say things clearly and with examples. That is not an argument a smart person would make. "You must be wrong becasue you give too many facts" OK, thats wild.

But for the last several years, everything I say, you're so consistently arrogant about telling me im wrong, and yet over and over again it turns out like i said.

I don't know everything. I'm not an oracle you can ask any question of and I can predict the future. I'm not even particularly good at calling things that are 60/40.

But these havent been controversial ideas (except to you). That Fields sucked. I mean sheesh just look at the film. And Eberflus. Again, he blew 3 games TWO YEARS IN A ROW! How could they bring him back? How could anyone have thought that was a good idea? And yet, you called me all kinds of names for saying it at the time. I needed to just believe a little harder and the wins fairy would sprinkle love all over Eberflus and Fields.

And then Caleb comes out, and if you watch the games you see he is a tremendous talent. He's gonna be the best QB the Bears have ever seen, and I say that, which again really inst controversial, and the next thing we know, youre telling me some first round picks are busts, so we should take a QB in a lower round, so our risk isnt as big. Seriously?

There's a long list of things you've jumped on me for, and I had to wait my years and guess what? I was right on all of them. For a while it seemed like i was a negative person hating on everything, but now the things I was saying then are common knowledge now.

And again, Im not so good at predicting, these things have been obvious and easy. Thats why its so frustrating to have to deal with your constant flat statements about how we all need to stop criticizing the team, and Poles would never do this or that.

Im telling you now. Kmet is on the bubble. So is Braxton Jones. Either of them can play their way into staying, but the odds, in my view, are against it. I also think they are unlikely to be traded now, but next year. Maybe at the trade deadline.

Instead of thinking how unfair that is for them, and getting mad at me about it, imagine instead the NEW Bears players we will get out of whatever we traded them for AND the increased cap space it brings. The new players will be Bears too, and we can root for them! Maybe they will be a missing piece on the DL that brings us into a SB window?

It's not negative, it's not mean, it's not even controversial, the cap numbers and the depth chart make it kind of obvious?

[Stinger226]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Here's how the cycle goes:

1) I say something to the group. Something I've noticed, someone i think isn't playing well. I dont say it to you.

2) You immediately tell me I'm wrong "there is no way Poles is going to..." and call me pessimistic or disloyal or something. You probably heard Greg Gabriel say it - in fact, that's the problem, you listen to the wrong sources, and get so confident in what youre saying because they said it.

3) I wait the prescribed amount of time until the thing is proven and i was right

4) You say Im dredging the past while you continue to tell me factually why i cant be right about this thing.

repeat.

You also like to say that i must be wrong because i take the time to say things clearly and with examples. That is not an argument a smart person would make. "You must be wrong becasue you give too many facts" OK, thats wild.

But for the last several years, everything I say, you're so consistently arrogant about telling me im wrong, and yet over and over again it turns out like i said.

I don't know everything. I'm not an oracle you can ask any question of and I can predict the future. I'm not even particularly good at calling things that are 60/40.

But these havent been controversial ideas (except to you). That Fields sucked. I mean sheesh just look at the film. And Eberflus. Again, he blew 3 games TWO YEARS IN A ROW! How could they bring him back? How could anyone have thought that was a good idea? And yet, you called me all kinds of names for saying it at the time. I needed to just believe a little harder and the wins fairy would sprinkle love all over Eberflus and Fields.

And then Caleb comes out, and if you watch the games you see he is a tremendous talent. He's gonna be the best QB the Bears have ever seen, and I say that, which again really inst controversial, and the next thing we know, youre telling me some first round picks are busts, so we should take a QB in a lower round, so our risk isnt as big. Seriously?

There's a long list of things you've jumped on me for, and I had to wait my years and guess what? I was right on all of them. For a while it seemed like i was a negative person hating on everything, but now the things I was saying then are common knowledge now.

And again, Im not so good at predicting, these things have been obvious and easy. Thats why its so frustrating to have to deal with your constant flat statements about how we all need to stop criticizing the team, and Poles would never do this or that.

Im telling you now. Kmet is on the bubble. So is Braxton Jones. Either of them can play their way into staying, but the odds, in my view, are against it. I also think they are unlikely to be traded now, but next year. Maybe at the trade deadline.

Instead of thinking how unfair that is for them, and getting mad at me about it, imagine instead the NEW Bears players we will get out of whatever we traded them for AND the increased cap space it brings. The new players will be Bears too, and we can root for them! Maybe they will be a missing piece on the DL that brings us into a SB window?

It's not negative, it's not mean, it's not even controversial, the cap numbers and the depth chart make it kind of obvious?

I see you took your (IDIOT) response down. I guess you thought that didnt make you look good.

Instead Novel #57 

This is my last Kmet RESPONSE, he is a good player and they are not trading him. I get lost in your answers but I think you said ( they arent trading him)

SO WE AGREE