Bears select Luke Newman, OL at #195

[adam]

Michigan State OT/OG, a lot of experience, projects at OG or OC. 

[dawhizz]

Short arms are concerning. Interesting to see Poles relent on that a little after showing a propensity for long arms in O-linemen previously. Maybe the influence of the new O-line coach?
 

[dawhizz]

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Protectable center or guard option - real good draft pick this late. 

[AZ54]

59 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

Short arms are concerning. Interesting to see Poles relent on that a little after showing a propensity for long arms in O-linemen previously. Maybe the influence of the new O-line coach?
 

Future OC?   

[Stinger226]

When you never have heard about someone, you automatically dismiss him. If you watching film, you will understand why they took him 

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

When you never have heard about someone, you automatically dismiss him. If you watching film, you will understand why they took him 

I wept a tear of joy when you posted this!

[AZ54]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

When you never have heard about someone, you automatically dismiss him. If you watching film, you will understand why they took him 

Hopefully yes that is true.  When the only film you can find is the guy jumping out of a pool it doesn't work.  

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

Hopefully yes that is true.  When the only film you can find is the guy jumping out of a pool it doesn't work.  

That was nice tape for a non football player.  The combine snubbed him so he got lost in transition. These are the types that start in 2 yrs and play 10. 

[Stinger226]

To me this could be a Trey Smith pick, major school, taken in later rounds ends up being very good. 

[Stinger226]

I watch some tape on Newman and on  one play the defense was stunting. He slung the first guy on the ground slide to the right and knocked that guy on the ground. Went down field in front of the RB and run over another defender to the ground. Literally blocked 3 guys and everyone got the ground. It was awesome. I'll try to find it.

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I watch some tape on Newman and on  one play the defense was stunting. He slung the first guy on the ground slide to the right and knocked that guy on the ground. Went down field in front of the RB and run over another defender to the ground. Literally blocked 3 guys and everyone got the ground. It was awesome. I'll try to find it.

I think there’sa link in Jacob Infantes story on Windy City gridiron.  

[Stinger226]

43 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

I think there’sa link in Jacob Infantes story on Windy City gridiron.  

I'll look for it. I watched so many videos, I lose track where I seen it. Thanks 

[Stinger226]

21 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I wept a tear of joy when you posted this!

I find it interesting that you don't think other people look at tape in evaluation of every player. It's always 80% of any experts evaluation. So let me know what you think about Newman?

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I find it interesting that you don't think other people look at tape in evaluation of every player.

I didnt say *I* have to see tape - you just talked about how important it is to see it yourself, and so when I "wept a tear of joy" it was because you were finally agreeing and saying youd look at the tape - so how do i think other people dont? I was saying i hope you DO!

I think people look and we all have opinions, and I dont think anyone's opinion is fact, just another opinion, whether its me or you or some pundit.

But occasionally I will see something so clear that i am shocked anyone else looks at film and thinks something different. It's only like 1 or 2 "facts" a year. Not everything at all. Most things are murky.

[Stinger226]

10 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I didnt say *I* have to see tape - you just talked about how important it is to see it yourself, and so when I "wept a tear of joy" it was because you were finally agreeing and saying youd look at the tape - so how do i think other people dont? I was saying i hope you DO!

I think people look and we all have opinions, and I dont think anyone's opinion is fact, just another opinion, whether its me or you or some pundit.

But occasionally I will see something so clear that i am shocked anyone else looks at film and thinks something different. It's only like 1 or 2 "facts" a year. Not everything at all. Most things are murky.

With all this back and forth we are in alignment on a lot of things. Tape is the most important tool scouts use.

We do need to address LT but,they did as I thought and drafted someone to be in the mix in 26 , not this year. I think Braxton plays this year, they offer him a contract but someone gives him 20 mil and he plays somewhere else. So next year Kiran or Tripoli will be our LT. 

RB needed another addition but never thought Jeanty was in the mix. I thought Skattebo or Brashard Smith would be drafted later to share carries with RJ and Swift.

So it all come down to our opinion on the urgency of those positions. I also respect your opinion more than it might show. I don't always agree but you have been spot on with some you have been stubborn about. 

I loved Fields more so because ( he was our QB) at the time and if  he succeeded that meant the Bears are winning. As soon as Poles choose Caleb, he's our new QB to rout for and has a lot of talent .

You were right about Flus, at the time I thought with drafting Caleb we could overcome his deficiencies but the calamity of our OCs doomed the success and after the Washington game. He lost the team, my time to start agreeing with you.

We align on a lot of things but our dislike for each other prevents us from showing it. 

Our next argument is Poles that is on going. He has made a lot of mistakes but has us in a good spot now. New GMs learn on the job and I think he is.

When we're  in a SB, we will be arguing about what play should have been called. I look forward to that.

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

With all this back and forth we are in alignment on a lot of things. Tape is the most important tool scouts use.

We do need to address LT but,they did as I thought and drafted someone to be in the mix in 26 , not this year. I think Braxton plays this year, they offer him a contract but someone gives him 20 mil and he plays somewhere else. So next year Kiran or Tripoli will be our LT. 

RB needed another addition but never thought Jeanty was in the mix. I thought Skattebo or Brashard Smith would be drafted later to share carries with RJ and Swift.

So it all come down to our opinion on the urgency of those positions. I also respect your opinion more than it might show. I don't always agree but you have been spot on with some you have been stubborn about. 

I loved Fields more so because ( he was our QB) at the time and if  he succeeded that meant the Bears are winning. As soon as Poles choose Caleb, he's our new QB to rout for and has a lot of talent .

You were right about Flus, at the time I thought with drafting Caleb we could overcome his deficiencies but the calamity of our OCs doomed the success and after the Washington game. He lost the team, my time to start agreeing with you.

We align on a lot of things but our dislike for each other prevents us from showing it. 

Our next argument is Poles that is on going. He has made a lot of mistakes but has us in a good spot now. New GMs learn on the job and I think he is.

When we're  in a SB, we will be arguing about what play should have been called. I look forward to that.

hahaha me too!

As Ive said before, i think you are loyal to anyone on our team, and I am more like loyal to the team, and not specifically the players on it. Each way is good.

Just dont worry if people are criticizing. Poles' feelings arent hurt by anything i say, and if any coach or player or GM does good things, I'll support those things, and Ill criticize the bad stuff. All hoping to make the team better.

Also, believe it or not I dont dislike you. I just dont like when you say things are facts when they arent really proven. As you agree, most things are opinions and cant really be proved.

But I dont want to argue with you in particular, I just dont like when you say some pundit says something so it must be right. i will be wrong plenty, so will you and so will the pundits, but my belief is that all of us have valid opinions in general? I dont care if some big shot disagrees with me, if i see what I see, then i know what i saw.

But with most things, there isnt enough to see to KNOW. Only a few things every year for me that i feel I really know.

Like I KNOW Banks is a good prospect, but couldnt possibly know if the Bears would take him or not.

[Stinger226]

The Banks argument is mute, he wasn't available. 

When I mention a football pundit, you don't like that because I should think for myself. I combine everything I see and read to form an opinion. 

I get the impression you think your opinion is because you're great at looking at tape. Then on several occasions you referred to draft buzz ratings and what Phil and his dad said. That's not any different than what I do. Your opinion is a composite of everything you learn about a player.

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