I’m Fascinated to see . . .

[dawhizz]

. . . The Bears behind the scenes draft video this year. I’m assuming they do one because they do such a good job and they are really popular. But there’s so much speculation about the Bears getting sniped on their picks, like wanting Kelvin Banks or Treyveon Henderson, or Cam Skattebo. Are we going to be able to use Bright in the videos? Will they cut around it? Was it all fake news and it turns out they got guys they actually targeted? Eagerly waiting for it to drop. 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/28/2025 at 11:19 PM, dawhizz said:

. . . The Bears behind the scenes draft video this year. I’m assuming they do one because they do such a good job and they are really popular. But there’s so much speculation about the Bears getting sniped on their picks, like wanting Kelvin Banks or Treyveon Henderson, or Cam Skattebo. Are we going to be able to use Bright in the videos? Will they cut around it? Was it all fake news and it turns out they got guys they actually targeted? Eagerly waiting for it to drop. 

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if we can learn anything it would be truly fascinating. I wonder if they would allow any info out, but I agree id love to see it.

[Stinger226]

The last month before the draft is lying season. You can't take anything any team says as Truth.  Poles holds his cards close. No one has given me a reason to believe that someone that has a leak of bears information actually has a source. I think most people start rumors and speculate. 

Poles obviously showed he was drafting Caleb, no secrets. He said he was getting an upgrade at center. Easy to put together that was Dalman. No one had the Thuney or Jackson trade information. I didn't see anyone suggest we were taking Loveland over Warren. A few picked Loveland in mocks but it was because Warren was gone.

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

  On 4/28/2025 at 11:19 PM, dawhizz said:

. . . The Bears behind the scenes draft video this year. I’m assuming they do one because they do such a good job and they are really popular. But there’s so much speculation about the Bears getting sniped on their picks, like wanting Kelvin Banks or Treyveon Henderson, or Cam Skattebo. Are we going to be able to use Bright in the videos? Will they cut around it? Was it all fake news and it turns out they got guys they actually targeted? Eagerly waiting for it to drop. 

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They might show Banks going because they expected 3 to go. 

Poles: "And....Banks is gone, are we still on Loveland?"   Ben Johnson starts rocking faster in his chair like an addict about to get his fix, yes Yes YES.

Round 2.  Poles: "Henderson still there and my god so is Burden."  Guys think we can get both 39 and 41? Which one do you think the Saints might take, Kamara is getting older but Burden is a top 20 value.  Never mind, Patriots just took Henderson.  What you think Antwaan, do you want Burden? Want to call him and tell him he is a Bear?

[AZ54]

The only GM who got all the guys he targeted for the draft was Phil Emery.   Good players are going to have a lot of buyers.  I have no doubt a RB was on their wishlist of upgrades.  However, I like how Poles played the hand he was dealt.    While I think Ben Johnson wanted a RB, perhaps even one of the Ohio State RBs, I don't think he was disappointed in the least by the WR that fell in his lap in Rd 2.  In the press conference afterward Johnson commented how impressed he was with overall organization of the draft process, how the draft was managed by Poles, and I think by correlation the good talent that was added to the roster overall.  

Meanwhile his old team was doing this:  

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/detroit-lions-trade-up-2025-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-isaac-teslaa

"The Lions moved up 32 spots from No. 102 to No. 70 in the third round to select TeSlaa. Detroit gave up pick 102 in the third round of this year's draft and both of their third-round picks in next year's draft to get into a position to select TeSlaa. Detroit received a sixth-round pick this year (No. 182) and a sixth-round pick next year in the trade."

I don't know anything about Tesla except he is a good athlete but was generally ranked as a day 3 prospect, and that could have been anywhere from Rd 4 to 7.  They are going to miss those two 3rd Rd picks next year.  

 

 

[Stinger226]

Poles stuck to a plan and got some extra assets to add to the roster. I would have loved Skattebo but after getting assets to turn around and give them away to grab a specific player was good judgement. They estimate how the draft falls and adjust. Getting Monongai in the 7th will prove to be a great bargain.

If you watch his tape, he  has quickness but not long speed. He was 4th the nation in broken tackles. A  violent runner. In 2024 Rutgers had no passing offense and stacked the box in every game and he still finished 2 nd in the league in rushing. 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/29/2025 at 2:30 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

They might show Banks going because they expected 3 to go. 

Poles: "And....Banks is gone, are we still on Loveland?"   Ben Johnson starts rocking faster in his chair like an addict about to get his fix, yes Yes YES.

Round 2.  Poles: "Henderson still there and my god so is Burden."  Guys think we can get both 39 and 41? Which one do you think the Saints might take, Kamara is getting older but Burden is a top 20 value.  Never mind, Patriots just took Henderson.  What you think Antwaan, do you want Burden? Want to call him and tell him he is a Bear?

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exactly! those are the kinds of scenarios Id LOVE to see. Realistic too.

[BearFan PHX]

Here is my thoughts abut home run hitting HBs:

Obviously if you take any player on your team and shave 0.2 seconds off of their forty time, that's better. of course.

But the job of a HB in my mind is to move the chains, and force the defense down into the box. Make those LBers lean forward. I'd rather have a guy who got a bunch of 7 and 15 yard runs rather than a guy who breaks one 75 yard run.

Now if your guy is also a home run hitter, well then thats amazing, and I love it. But a tough runner who moves the chains is really the most important thing to my way of thinking. A guy who can pass block, and has hands out fo the backfield. A guy who runs strong and always falls forward, and not for 4 yeard, but for 7 and 15. A guy with some wiggle and some strength - all more important in my opinion than speed, unless that speed comes with all the other things too.

[adam]

  On 4/29/2025 at 3:03 AM, AZ54 said:

The only GM who got all the guys he targeted for the draft was Phil Emery.   Good players are going to have a lot of buyers.  I have no doubt a RB was on their wishlist of upgrades.  However, I like how Poles played the hand he was dealt.    While I think Ben Johnson wanted a RB, perhaps even one of the Ohio State RBs, I don't think he was disappointed in the least by the WR that fell in his lap in Rd 2.  In the press conference afterward Johnson commented how impressed he was with overall organization of the draft process, how the draft was managed by Poles, and I think by correlation the good talent that was added to the roster overall.  

Meanwhile his old team was doing this:  

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/detroit-lions-trade-up-2025-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-isaac-teslaa

"The Lions moved up 32 spots from No. 102 to No. 70 in the third round to select TeSlaa. Detroit gave up pick 102 in the third round of this year's draft and both of their third-round picks in next year's draft to get into a position to select TeSlaa. Detroit received a sixth-round pick this year (No. 182) and a sixth-round pick next year in the trade."

I don't know anything about Tesla except he is a good athlete but was generally ranked as a day 3 prospect, and that could have been anywhere from Rd 4 to 7.  They are going to miss those two 3rd Rd picks next year.  

 

 

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Johnson leaves and Detroit literally shits the bed with their draft. Teslaa with pick 70 is 10x worse than Hyppolite at 132, but is 100x worse considering Detroit gave up 3x 3rd round picks for him, their 2025, their 2026, and their 2026 3rd Comp for losing Glenn. This is not talked about enough. There is a great chance that he would've been there at their original pick. 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/29/2025 at 8:11 PM, adam said:

Johnson leaves and Detroit literally shits the bed with their draft. Teslaa with pick 70 is 10x worse than Hyppolite at 132, but is 100x worse considering Detroit gave up 3x 3rd round picks for him, their 2025, their 2026, and their 2026 3rd Comp for losing Glenn. This is not talked about enough. There is a great chance that he would've been there at their original pick. 

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THREE 3rd rounders. It's malpractice.

[Stinger226]

  On 4/29/2025 at 5:26 AM, BearFan PHX said:

exactly! those are the kinds of scenarios Id LOVE to see. Realistic too.

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Henderson was picked right before pick 39. He was never an option.

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/29/2025 at 10:46 PM, Stinger226 said:

Henderson was picked right before pick 39. He was never an option.

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I was thinking more of Kaleb Johnson or Cam Skatebo?

[Stinger226]

Actually KJ was the next rated RB so I wonder if they had the discussion of who Ben wanted. WR or RB?

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/29/2025 at 10:55 PM, Stinger226 said:

Actually KJ was the next rated RB so I wonder if they had the discussion of who Ben wanted. WR or RB?

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When Burden was there it was hard to pass him up for value, even though i doubt we had him in our plans or expected him to be there.

Im more talking about why we didnt take a HB or OT with 41. And it seems like Turner is the answer there.

We did play the board well, and maximize value, but we also traded back and saw players we thought we would take come off the board right before our picks - specifically Ersery, KJ, Skatebo, but if Trapilo plays well at RT and they successfully move Wright to LT, then that solves my worry in a way i didnt expect, or really even support because of the risk, but if it works, then well played.

[dawhizz]

Sound alike there may have been attempts to trade up to take Henderson and Skattebo. 
 

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2025/04/29/bears-treveyon-henderson-draft-trade-rumors/83347231007/

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/30/2025 at 1:00 AM, dawhizz said:

Sound alike there may have been attempts to trade up to take Henderson and Skattebo. 
 

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2025/04/29/bears-treveyon-henderson-draft-trade-rumors/83347231007/

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That's why I think Poles may have not done as well on draft day by being too disciplined and staying with the value plan, and trading too low, and then not being able to recover. Or maybe that's the plan?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

  On 4/29/2025 at 10:46 PM, Stinger226 said:

Henderson was picked right before pick 39. He was never an option.

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Phoenix was responding to me.   I was giving my thoughts on how the Bears draft room was right before Henderson was taken. How Poles would get excited that he and Burden were still on the board and how they should draft if they both remain when pick 39 comes up

[ASHKUM BEAR]

  On 4/30/2025 at 1:36 AM, BearFan PHX said:

That's why I think Poles may have not done as well on draft day by being too disciplined and staying with the value plan, and trading too low, and then not being able to recover. Or maybe that's the plan?

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Poles read your comments last year about wanting to trade up for Odunze and held his composure this year. 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/30/2025 at 1:49 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Poles read your comments last year about wanting to trade up for Odunze and held his composure this year. 

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exactly. It's a tightrope walk. And he did do his due diligence in trying to trade up for Henderson apparently, and he didnt overpay which is also good.

Here's a joke for Stinger (I'm making fun of myself):

I want Cunningham fired! He is clearly holding Poles back from being more active in draft day trade ups! We could have had Ersery and KJ! Let Poles work! Fire Cunningham! LOL

[ASHKUM BEAR]

  On 4/30/2025 at 2:08 AM, BearFan PHX said:

exactly. It's a tightrope walk. And he did do his due diligence in trying to trade up for Henderson apparently, and he didnt overpay which is also good.

Here's a joke for Stinger (I'm making fun of myself):

I want Cunningham fired! He is clearly holding Poles back from being more active in draft day trade ups! We could have had Ersery and KJ! Let Poles work! Fire Cunningham! LOL

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You might be on to something.  Cunningham turned down the Jax and Tenn jobs because he knows he can get Poles fired and take over. 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/30/2025 at 2:14 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

You might be on to something.  Cunningham turned down the Jax and Tenn jobs because he knows he can get Poles fired and take over. 

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hahaha oooh thats a good one! Quite the conspiracy! And when the FBI came and got our defensive coordinator last year? Cunningham framed him because he was a big Poles supporter. FIelds knew, and had to be silenced. LOL Davis was so mad about it he decided not to give his all.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

  On 4/30/2025 at 2:27 AM, BearFan PHX said:

hahaha oooh thats a good one! Quite the conspiracy! And when the FBI came and got our defensive coordinator last year? Cunningham framed him because he was a big Poles supporter. FIelds knew, and had to be silenced. LOL Davis was so mad about it he decided not to give his all.

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Did you hear about Flus? He didn't call a timeout on Thanksgiving so the world would see. He was trying to help Cunningham too. 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/30/2025 at 3:02 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Did you hear about Flus? He didn't call a timeout on Thanksgiving so the world would see. He was trying to help Cunningham too. 

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suddenly it ALL makes sense now. Its part of the conspiracy to keep Shadeur Sanders out of the league LOL

Velus Jones was a plant.

[Stinger226]

  On 4/30/2025 at 2:08 AM, BearFan PHX said:

exactly. It's a tightrope walk. And he did do his due diligence in trying to trade up for Henderson apparently, and he didnt overpay which is also good.

Here's a joke for Stinger (I'm making fun of myself):

I want Cunningham fired! He is clearly holding Poles back from being more active in draft day trade ups! We could have had Ersery and KJ! Let Poles work! Fire Cunningham! LOL

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I think Warren interfered 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/30/2025 at 3:22 AM, Stinger226 said:

I think Warren interfered 

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lol well played