Battle at LT

[BearFan PHX]

9 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Ozzy showed he belongs on an NFL field and the game wasn’t too big for him.  However it shakes out our backup LT will be the best backup LT we’ve had in years.  

I agree with this. Ozzy is raw though, and especially his first two snaps were ugly. But you could tell he was being challenged a lot the whole game. At one point they started helping Ozzy with chips and rollouts away from his side etc.

He was amazing in the running game though, he can really move people. But protecting Caleb has to be job 1. I think he will be able to do it, but he needs more experience. Hopefully that comes fast.

Braxton on the other hand was a mess on most of his snaps.

Im gonna rewatch it this week, and take some specific notes on each rep.

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I agree with this. Ozzy is raw though, and especially his first two snaps were ugly. But you could tell he was being challenged a lot the whole game. At one point they started helping Ozzy with chips and rollouts away from his side etc.

He was amazing in the running game though, he can really move people. But protecting Caleb has to be job 1. I think he will be able to do it, but he needs more experience. Hopefully that comes fast.

Braxton on the other hand was a mess on most of his snaps.

Im gonna rewatch it this week, and take some specific notes on each rep.

I havent watched or paid attention to his snaps (Jones) but Mongo did and he said most of his snaps were good , he had two bad plays. I trust his opinion and once I get a chance to watch his plays, I may have a different opinion. Also Ozzy was similar in his review. 

[Mongo3451]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Braxton on the other hand was a mess on most of his snaps.

Im gonna rewatch it this week, and take some specific notes on each rep.

🍿 You're gonna eat what you said about Braxton...💩🥪

[BearFan PHX]

54 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

🍿 You're gonna eat what you said about Braxton...💩🥪

if I do, I do!

Of course Im gonna be fair, because i want the best guy out there.

[Mongo3451]

45 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

if I do, I do!

Of course Im gonna be fair, because i want the best guy out there.

My guy...💥🍻

[BearFan PHX]

OK, so I just did Jones. Havent done Trapilo yet, will have to wait for another day.

Jones had 24 reps. 15 Passes, and 9 Runs

Out of 15 pass reps, he did poorly on 5 of them (and well on 10).
on one rep he gave up a sack, beaten cleanly outside, didnt even slow the guy down
on two other reps he gave up pressures, including one untouched to the inside where he whiffed in a way that could get your QB killed
additionally, he also got bullrushed twice in a row and pushed back into the pocket, and on one of those reps he also false started, but it wasnt called.

so, from the outside, a sack, and another pressure, from the inside, a pressure, and up the middle two bull rushes that pushed him back into the pocket, and a false start.

Of the 9 running plays he
did a good job identifying who to block, including some really good zone plays
got out to the second level when needed, and showed good movement
delivered a good first punch
engaged about half the time, and turned guys when he did
failed to hold his block about half the time too, and defenders wiggled out of his block including one play on the goalline where the runner was stopped by a man that Jones had turned outside, and who fought off of Jones and got across his face inside to stop the ball carrier.

He had some good reps for sure, but there were enough troublesome moments that I would not be fully comfortable with him at LT. Not saying there is a better option, i have to scout Trapilo next, but if it's Jones who gets the job, he is too often a weak link.

If anyone wants to see my notes to see what I mean, they are pasted here.

Braxton Jones

Q1 14:53 1&10
Pass Jones rides the DE out and handles him well

Q1 14:49 2&10
Pass Reads blitz, blitzer chipped, then BJ mirrors opponent, handles him well

Q1 14:17 3&16
Pass defender chipped by TE, still Jones fails to engage or mirror defender, who slips around him. Had the QB not thrown quickly it would have been a pressure.

Q1 3:34 1&10
Run moves and turns his man well, arm across the back holding, but good play

Q1 2:59 2&9
Pass stands his man up for quick pass

Q1 2:24 3&4
Pass absorbs defender, neutralizes him

Q2 14:05 1&10
Run locates LB and gets to second level, Ok punch but he doesnt stay engaged.
Great run by Monangai by the way, great vision, cutback away from where Braxton's guy was going after shedding Jones, protects the ball in traffic and scoots for a 14yd gain

Q2 13:32 1&10
Run gets outside, locates a LB and rides him away from the play

Q2 12:57 2&7
Pass Good backside zone blocking. pushes his man away and helps the back with a blitzer outside of him.

Q2 12:23 1&10
Pass Neutralizes defender at the line

Q2 11:46 1&10
Run moves his man well

Q2 11:28 1&20
Pass Good mirror, absorbs his guy

Q2 10:55 2&15
Pass Good mirror, but let himself get pushed backward and upright toward the QB

Q2 10:47 3&15
Pass false start (wasnt called) on BJ, get stood up again and walked back toward the QB the DE is learning Jones can be moved with a bull rush

Q2 10:10 1&10
Run, absorbed his guy well

Q2 9:36 2&7
Run, good zone choices, helps with the DT and then peel off to seal the backside against the DE

Q2 8:55 1&10
Run tough nosed block moves his guy

Q2 8:21 2&10
Pass Jones mirrors, is being moved a bit then Monangai chips in an neutralizes with a strong hit

Q2 7:45 3&2
Run stands his man up and turns him

Q2 7:14 1&Goal
Run good punch, moves his man, but cant hold his block, and his guy is able to squirm around him and hit the ball carrier short of the goal line

Q2 6:49 1&Goal
Pass decent lateral movement, part of misdirection, so block didnt need to be made

Q2 6:11 2&Goal
Pass Beaten to the outside, his guy gets around him shallow enough to flush and then sack the QB who was moving away out of the pocket. So Jones whiffed, didnt even slow his guy down.

Q2 5:31 3&Goal
Pass stands his guy up for a moment, all thats needed for that play

Q2 4:53 4&Goal
Pass Jones is beaten to the inside, his guy comes free to the QB who is pressured and has to get rid of it quickly
 

24 reps
15 Passes
            1 sack

            2 bullrush back toward the pocket (one was also a false start)

            2 pressures
9 Runs
            Made smart choices
            Delivered a consistent punch
            Moved people
            failed to hold blocks on several plays

[BearFan PHX]

OK, and here is Trapilo's scouting

Trapilo had 36 reps. 25 passes, and 11 runs.

Out of 25 pass reps, Trapilo did poorly on 5 of them (and well on 20 of them)
on 4 reps, he gave up pressures or possible pressures to the outside
on 3 of those, he lost the rep because of a hand chop in hand fighting
he also lost another hand chop but recovered to ride the guy out

so all from the outside, and usually a result of losing hand fighting vs the chop move

Of the 11 running plays he
did a good job identifying who to block, including some good zone plays
got out to the second level and wide when needed
delivered a violent punch
engaged, moved, and turned guys
failed to hold his block a couple times

So I'd say the glaring thing here is Trapilo needs to work on his hand fighting. It's like his kryptonite. Hopefully Roushar can get that straightened out.

On downs where there was no hand chop move, he was strong, consistent, and used his big frame to absorb defenders. In the run game his size is a real asset too, and he has no trouble walling guys off.

Keeping in mind that Trapilo was playing against lesser competition too of course.

Here are my notes on Trapilo:

Ozzy Trapilo

Q2 1:40 1&10
Pass Absorbed the rusher, then let him go. it was a screen pass, right over the defender's head, so letting him get upfield a little may well have been his assignment. hard to say.

Q2 1:22 2&1
Pass Beaten to the outside, defender gets a pressure and a hand on the QB as he throws

Q2 1:16 3&1
Run Engaged his man, held the block

Q2 0:58 1&10
Pass absorbed the pressure well

Q2 0:48 2&4
Pass Mirrored well and the Monangai has a nice loud smack on the chip to finish it

Q2 0:43 3&4
Pass Pushes the defender out of the play on the backside

Q2 0:37 1&10
Pass good patience to look for the stunt, and then pick up the defender when it didnt happen. absorbs and neutralizes.

Q3 12:52 1&10
Run reaches for his man in zone blocking but he is too far away to cross his face. He pushes his guy on the move well even without the right angle. ANd his guy ends up in the pile that stops the runner. Not a great run block.

Q3 12:27 2&9
Pass good mirror good protection

Q3 11:53 3&4
Pass makes the right read, and shuts out blitzing defender

Q3 11:34 1&10
Run Great zone run blocking. Moves and turns his guy, bounces off and into the second level where he takes two more guys out.

Q3 11:01 2&2
Pass Pulls and identifies the right guy and moves him. looks like it might have been a screen. Good movement for a big guy.

Q3 10:46 1&10
Run Moves his man a lot and creates the hole for the HB.

Q3 10:18 2&6
Run absorbs his defender and turns him away from the play

Q3 9:32 1&10
Pass Absorbs and neutralizes defender

Q3 8:53 1&10
Run Moves and turns his man, but only holds the block a second, and the HB who was stopped by other defenders is tackled by Trapilo's guy. Had the HB been able to run through the block would have been held long enough, but if i dinged Braxton for it, I gotta ding Ozzy too.

Q3 8:32 1&10
Run Trapilo shows good speed getting out on the LB, good punch pushes the defender back a step, then doesnt engage the block. Backside, so it was appropriate and enough for the play.

Q3 7:56 2&15
Pass good mirror, good use of hands, neutralizes the defender

Q3 7:22 3&1
Run, get on his guy and moves him across the formation and way out of the play. nice.

Q3 6:35 4&2
Pass Beaten by hand fighting chop, gives up a big pressure that hurries the QB.

Q3 5:04 1&10
Pass play action, Trapilo moves well to reach outside block and rides defender into the sunset

Q3 4:35 2&19
Pass good mirror, absorbs the defender like a shock absorber

Q3 3:57 3&12
Pass absorbs defender and eats his energy to a stop

BENEDET COMES IN HERE AND IS AWFUL, THEN TRAPILO IS BACK

Q4 6:22 1&10
Pass on the move, play action run block with good punch but he punched the guy off of him and wasnt able to sustain a block and his defender almost made a play

Q4 5:49 1&10
Run moves and turns his guy out of the play and moved him quite a bit

Q4 5:11 2&5
Pass play action run block, moved his guy back dominant

Q4 4:35 1&10
Run gets on his guy and swallows him up, turning away from the play

Q4 3:59 2&12
Pass good outward setup, has trouble with some hand fighting, but still uses good lateral movement and his big frame to ride his guy up and out away from the pocket

Q4 3:15 1&10
Pass eats up his opponent and swallows all movement. Sticky,

Q4 2:36 2&9
Pass screen with run blocking on the backside. Trapilo gets off fast, but has no one to block on the backside. Not a bad rep, just no one there.

Q4 2:00 3&3
Run takes on two defenders with great zone blocking choices. Hits the DE and passes him off to the OG, and then picks up a blitzer and stops him too.

Q4 1:54 4&3
Pass beaten with hand fighting chop. Recovered enough to get a hand in the chest of the defender, but it was a pressure that hurried the QB.

Q4 0:26 1&15
Pass Absorbs first defender and helps out on a second with his arm.

Q4 0:21 2&15
Pass Good protection Neutralized defender

Q4 0:16 3&15
Pass beaten with hand fighting chop again, QB is rolling out to the other side anyway, but would have been a pressure if he wasnt.

Q4 0:10 4&16
Pass Rides defender out and up away from the play. looks like hand chop issues again too tho.

36 reps
25 Passes

            4 pressures all from the outside, 3 from hand chops
            1 handchop loss that wasnt a pressure
             
11 Runs
            Made smart choices
            Delivered a violent punch      

            Moved and turned people
            failed to hold blocks for long on two plays

[BearFan PHX]

OK, so after 1 round, here's where I see the Jones / Trapilo competition.

Both make good choices in the run game, and deliver a good punch.
Trapilo sustains more run blocks.
Trapilo is much more stable as a pass protector too, except for getting beaten outside on a hand chop move.
That's a problem that needs to be corrected, but its one thing, so I think they can do something about it.

Neither one stepped up and took the job. Both need work.

Trapilo is stronger than Jones.
Trapilo has lots of upside, and Jones has probably reached his ceiling.

I am much more comfortable with Trapilo in general, but id need to know the hand fighting issue is being solved.

I was worried about the LT all offseason, and I sure hope it isnt a problem this year.

Right now, I think Trapilo is a good step ahead of Jones, but Trapilo has to improve with his hands or it could be a problem.

But even still, getting beaten outside for pressures and near pressures is much better than getting beaten inside and on bull rushes.

If 10 wins the game, the score is Trapilo 7, Jones 5 right now. Trapilos arrow is pointing up and Jones' is pointing down.

That's what I saw anyway. I put all the timestamps and stuff if anyone wants to debate what I saw on any particular play to come to this conclusion. 

It's good to see and score the tape. Makes it all clear. So Im not gonna debate any generalized "I thought he looked good out there" type stuff. I mean, we are all entitled to our opinions, but if you want to really challenge my conclusions, which is a great thing, lets talk about specific plays that ive scored here to make those points? By the tape.

[adam]

Great breakdown @BearFan PHX

Braxton looked terrible in his last few snaps. He was either tired or didn't care, either way, that was concerning to see. My biggest concern for him is when he loses a rep, he really loses it like 100-0, and the QB gets killed. Trapilo may lose a rep, but he doesn't leave a direct path to the QB. 

 

[Stinger226]

14 minutes ago, adam said:

Great breakdown @BearFan PHX

Braxton looked terrible in his last few snaps. He was either tired or didn't care, either way, that was concerning to see. My biggest concern for him is when he loses a rep, he really loses it like 100-0, and the QB gets killed. Trapilo may lose a rep, but he doesn't leave a direct path to the QB. 

 

I dont think (didnt care ) comes into play. Fatigue is the most logical choice. He is fighting to keep his starting job. He wouldnt be on the field if the team thought he didnt care.