Cole Kmet

[Stinger226]

PFF came out with their TEs ranking for 2025. Kmet is ranked 29th.  Kincaid 10th

Dalton Kincaid  2024 stats: 44 catches of 71 targets./448 yards- 2 TDs/ 2 drops/ 10.2 yards per reception

Cole Kmet 2024  stats: 47 of 55 targets/474 yards- 4 TDs / 1 drop/ 10.1 yards per reception

Dalton Kincaid 2023 stats: 71 of 93/ 673 yards- 2 TDs / 9.2 yards per reception  

Cole Kmet 2023 stats: 73 of 90/ 719/ 6 TDs /     9.8 per reception

Kincaid had Josh Allen throwing to him. Kmet had Fields and Williams throwing to him. 

Can someone explain had they graded this with Kmet clearly the better TE? 

2 year totals    Kincaid 116 of 164 / 1021 yards/ 4 TDs

                         Kmet 120 of 145 /  1193 yards and 10 TDs

[Mongo3451]

The addition of Coleston Loveland...

[Stinger226]

7 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

The addition of Coleston Loveland...

He was ranked 23 . If you look at BJ run offenses, TE is an important position and if we're projecting, wouldnt you have Colston ranked higher than 23 ? 

Last year LaPorta was ranked 6th. Cole Kmet was ranked 18th, Kincaid was 28th. Last year was a bad year for Kmet due to a dysfuntional offense and rookie QB. Taysom Hill was ranked 15th with 23 reception/ 187 yards/ 6 TDs

PFF just puts content out there that is hard to wrap your head around. If you projected a split in the total TE reps, I would say both would land in the midteens. 

[adam]

6 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

He was ranked 23 . If you look at BJ run offenses, TE is an important position and if we're projecting, wouldnt you have Colston ranked higher than 23 ? 

Last year LaPorta was ranked 6th. Cole Kmet was ranked 18th, Kincaid was 28th. Last year was a bad year for Kmet due to a dysfuntional offense and rookie QB. Taysom Hill was ranked 15th with 23 reception/ 187 yards/ 6 TDs

PFF just puts content out there that is hard to wrap your head around. If you projected a split in the total TE reps, I would say both would land in the midteens. 

The media in general hates Kmet. Even with Loveland, Kmet is still a top 20 TE. 

[Stinger226]

13 minutes ago, adam said:

The media in general hates Kmet. Even with Loveland, Kmet is still a top 20 TE. 

If Caleb is humming both TEs should be 10 to 15 as far as stats. With DJ and Rome running down field, one of the TEs should be open every play.

[adam]

PFF has Andrews at #4 AND Likely at #9.  That is crazy talk. 

[AZ54]

4 hours ago, adam said:

PFF has Andrews at #4 AND Likely at #9.  That is crazy talk. 

Likely at 9, this is clearly a receiving biased ranking.  

[BearFan PHX]

PFF is random. People love it because they do a lot of clear rankings and ratings, and they use numbers, so they are fun and easy to understand an compare.

But PFF is nonsense.

Now, despite my feelings about what I think Cole Kmet really is, *IF* he was to break out and be a great player, then we might be looking at film of the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez for ideas. I'm sure there are a lot of ways to use two great TEs, especially with Moore and Odunze on the outside.

So I understand the excitement from those that think Kmet has that kind of skill set.

Of course, neither one is Gronkowski, especially Loveland being more of a tall and nifty slot receiver, so the same concepts wouldn't map over 1 to 1, but the matchup problems are obvious, and a true dual TE threat is a real problem for defenses.

If Loveland could be a Tony Gonzalez type for us, that alone is gonna be great for Caleb and our offense.

[AZ54]

21 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

PFF is random. People love it because they do a lot of clear rankings and ratings, and they use numbers, so they are fun and easy to understand an compare.

But PFF is nonsense.

Now, despite my feelings about what I think Cole Kmet really is, *IF* he was to break out and be a great player, then we might be looking at film of the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez for ideas. I'm sure there are a lot of ways to use two great TEs, especially with Moore and Odunze on the outside.

So I understand the excitement from those that think Kmet has that kind of skill set.

Of course, neither one is Gronkowski, especially Loveland being more of a tall and nifty slot receiver, so the same concepts wouldn't map over 1 to 1, but the matchup problems are obvious, and a true dual TE threat is a real problem for defenses.

If Loveland could be a Tony Gonzalez type for us, that alone is gonna be great for Caleb and our offense.

I don't think anybody is over stating what Kmet can do as a receiver.  He's good there, has really good hands but doesn't have the agility that you see with Loveland.  Kmet isn't elite either as a blocker.  He's a jack of all trades but that is still valuable for a play caller especially when paired with Loveland between the 20s.  Both TEs will be effective in the redzone too.  If anyone knows how to use these two TEs effectively it's Ben Johnson.  

[BearFan PHX]

6 hours ago, AZ54 said:

I don't think anybody is over stating what Kmet can do as a receiver.  He's good there, has really good hands but doesn't have the agility that you see with Loveland.  Kmet isn't elite either as a blocker.  He's a jack of all trades but that is still valuable for a play caller especially when paired with Loveland between the 20s.  Both TEs will be effective in the redzone too.  If anyone knows how to use these two TEs effectively it's Ben Johnson.  

Yeah Im not pointing the finger at anyone here, I dont hear anyone here saying he is a true stud, obviously weve had discussions about future trades (or not!) for him, but Im not saying anyone is overstating him.

I dont know if I agree he has "good" hands or anything, BUT I was just saying that if Kmet plays well, I totally agree Johnson will know how to use them, and i was even thinking of some of what the Patriots did with Gronkowski and Hernandez when they had them both. So I agree there too.

I'm not betting the farm on Kmet, but I don't think it is impossible for him to play well. I just think he would have progressed more by now, so he's kind of topping out, way short of his expectations or contract, but if he DOES mature this offseason, having 2 TEs that can really play will be a fun toy for Johnson for sure.

I just think he's gonna have to show quick, this train is leaving the station, and they aren't gonna wait around for the light to come on for Kmet. I always though he had potential, but i think we all agree that so far, he hasn't really lived up to his draft status. I really hope he does! That would be an extra weapon Im not counting on right now, and Johnson would be even scarier with yet another dimension.