Camp tidbits

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, adam said:

and Scott followed Velus. The Bears are basically down a 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and 4th rounder on the roster because early Poles has been terrible beyond the 2nd round. Hopefully he starts hitting on a few. You can probably add Pickens to that list as a 3rd rounder. Pickens is probably worse than Scott because he was picked 64th overall.

Plenty of decisions to condemn Poles for but here we are in the 4th year of a rebuild and we are ready to shine. The most important decisions Poles did was draft Caleb and hire BJ. I am happy we are at this point in time of all the ducks are align in a row, and dont care how he got here, we are here. Its time to deliver and I believe this is the year we become playoff bound.

[Stinger226]

Nashon Wright getting a lot of snaps in place of JJ being hurt. He was in Dallas when Al Harris was there and he recomended him. 6'4" 190 with man coverage skills. The only 40 time I could find was 4.49 speed. Was on Minnys PS last year and practiced against Viking WRs. He may be a gem in the rough. Al Harris is well respected and likes him and wanted us to draft Zak Frazier. We will soon find out how smart Al Harris really is.

[AZ54]

Luther burden returned to the field. He’s still limited but it’s nice to finally get him going.  
 

In just two practices Loveland is already showing why we drafted him.  

[Mongo3451]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Somebody likes taking everything I say and wants to argue about it. I was being sarcastic. After the draft she said apparently  the price was to high. I suggest, it was never in play.

My bad.  I didn't see the sarcasm.  When in English Comp, they taught us that the written word is way easier to construe than the spoken, due to inflection, body language and facial expression.

[BearFan PHX]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Okay ( narrative ) was a bad choice of words. I seen her on 4 podcasts and she was very positive that this would happen, suggested inside info. Do you want me to find the 4 podcasts or are we good she was pushing that this was highly likely to happen? And we didnt do it.

but her reporting was just that it was likely, or heating up - and that could still be true even if it didnt end up happening!

I still believe she was reporting facts - that we were interested - that talks happened.

[BearFan PHX]

7 hours ago, adam said:

Your last statement is what makes things more baffling, because to me, she was asking the most relevant questions, and would let the other meatballs ask the off the wall questions. Lately, she has just asked things that seem out of character for her. 

Burden was in H.S. during COVID. There is no gap in his stats, he was a FR in 22, So in 23, and Ju in 24. 

If you hear the question to Jarrett, she just asked about the importance of locker placement. If she wanted more specifics about his leadership and mentoring, ask about those directly. 

Those are only two, but there have been more and really have only started recently. I wonder if she has a new research team or someone else is creating the questions for her?

OK, I went back and found it.

Apparently when a college player comes out their junior year, the website she uses for stats calls the players last year their senior year. so there were stats for his sophomore year, and then his "senior" year and she was confused about that.

Its understandable - i dont think it's a knock on her, it was just a mistake based on her not fully understanding why there was a gap from Sophomore to Senior on the stat website.

In explaining this she said she wasnt sure what the gap was about, and mentioned covid as an example of these things being weird in stat books. And I remembered that, but she never said it was covid, that was just my poor memory.

Anyway, here it is if anyone cares. Watch from 40 minutes in to hear the story.
 

 

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Somebody likes taking everything I say and wants to argue about it. I was being sarcastic. After the draft she said apparently  the price was to high. I suggest, it was never in play.

and what do you base that it was never in play on?

I dont get it. She says she has league sources that were telling her the Bears were serious about Jeanty, but the deal just never got made because they couldnt find middle ground on the price.

How can you disprove that? And why would you want to?

[adam]

18 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

OK, I went back and found it.

Apparently when a college player comes out their junior year, the website she uses for stats calls the players last year their senior year. so there were stats for his sophomore year, and then his "senior" year and she was confused about that.

Its understandable - i dont think it's a knock on her, it was just a mistake based on her not fully understanding why there was a gap from Sophomore to Senior on the stat website.

In explaining this she said she wasnt sure what the gap was about, and mentioned covid as an example of these things being weird in stat books. And I remembered that, but she never said it was covid, that was just my poor memory.

Anyway, here it is if anyone cares. Watch from 40 minutes in to hear the story.
 

 

Another possibility is that she just set such a high bar that there really is nowhere to go but down for her.

[adam]

Ugh, looks like Shemar Turner is out for at least a month with an ankle sprain. 

 

[BearFan PHX]

54 minutes ago, adam said:

Ugh, looks like Shemar Turner is out for at least a month with an ankle sprain. 

 

that sucks. I hope its sooner, but that isnt good at all.

[BearFan PHX]

55 minutes ago, adam said:

Another possibility is that she just set such a high bar that there really is nowhere to go but down for her.

Im not ready to call it a pattern yet I guess. When we get to where there are more substantial issues to ask about, if she keeps doing this, then I have to agree with you that maybe someone is writing her questions or making her do this?

[AZ54]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

but her reporting was just that it was likely, or heating up - and that could still be true even if it didnt end up happening!

I still believe she was reporting facts - that we were interested - that talks happened.

Or she was the one they used to spread disinformation.  

[Mongo3451]

3 hours ago, adam said:

Another possibility is that she just set such a high bar that there really is nowhere to go but down for her.

In those pressers foods of questions get used.  It's plausible that ten questions were asked that encompassed everything she was going to ask.  Then, it's makeup a question because I'm next.  It's easy to ask Jarrett a locker room question because he's a locker room guy. Nobody is perfect...

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Or she was the one they used to spread disinformation.  

absolutely possible. in that case shed still be telling the truth, that insiders told her this.

The idea that she made it up herself for clicks is what I'm pushing back on. That doesnt sound like her.

But the simplest answer is probably right: of COURSE the Bears went asking about the price for Jeanty. Who wouldnt? Doing due diligence, maybe even a little more. And obviously the deal didnt happen.

After Cleveland and the Jaguars did a trade for a non quarterback and the price was a 2nd round pick, a 4th round pick AND a next years number one to go from 2 to 5, it was clear the price to move from 10 to 6 would be steep.

So it all seems pretty obvious and likely to me what happened. I do think the Bears would have liked Jeanty if they could afford the trade, but not if it was a first next year and a 2nd this year?

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

but her reporting was just that it was likely, or heating up - and that could still be true even if it didnt end up happening!

I still believe she was reporting facts - that we were interested - that talks happened.

She was reporting on the information she had. None of this really matters now, its just when the draft was happening I said I didnt think we were going to move up for a RB because I think BJ liked Swift better than the preception we had to have a #1. I dont have inside sources or anyone I trust saying this. Before the draft Poles was talking about not having enough draft picks and needed to get some. To move to get Jeanty I think it would have took maybe both #2s and a 1 next year. Maybe one #2, our 4th and a #1 next year and a third. No one knows how that would have played out. In the second he did trade a high #2 for 2 lower #2s. 

 BJ came here and said we need this this and this. and I dont think it ever was a #1 RB in the draft. TO ME they seem to have had a plan, Loveland, Ozzy, Turner, Burden was never in a plan but being available changed the draft for Bears. I am not even saying Jeanty would not have been worth what it would have cost, just dont think that was a plan.

After the draft they never said they were trying to move up for Jeanty. Maybe if everything was true, it doesnt hurt after the fact. So I dont believe it was ever part of their plan. 

Its an opinion and no one knows anything because they never stated afterwards what they wanted. 

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

absolutely possible. in that case shed still be telling the truth, that insiders told her this.

The idea that she made it up herself for clicks is what I'm pushing back on. That doesnt sound like her.

But the simplest answer is probably right: of COURSE the Bears went asking about the price for Jeanty. Who wouldnt? Doing due diligence, maybe even a little more. And obviously the deal didnt happen.

After Cleveland and the Jaguars did a trade for a non quarterback and the price was a 2nd round pick, a 4th round pick AND a next years number one to go from 2 to 5, it was clear the price to move from 10 to 6 would be steep.

So it all seems pretty obvious and likely to me what happened. I do think the Bears would have liked Jeanty if they could afford the trade, but not if it was a first next year and a 2nd this year?

I never said she made it up, because  her sources doesnt seem to be reliable and she didnt know at the time. Everyone gets stuff wrong but may have come from an honest place.

[BearFan PHX]

46 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I never said she made it up, because  her sources doesnt seem to be reliable and she didnt know at the time. Everyone gets stuff wrong but may have come from an honest place.

I agree, but it doesnt mean her sources were unreliable.

She reported that there was a lot of interest and activity around the Bears and Jeanty. The fact that the price was too high and the deal didnt happen doesnt disprove any of that?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

The Bears inquiring only drives the price up which helps them.  Every draft pundent said they needed RB and Jeanty was a generational prospect, so play it.   The beat writers asked if they inquired and the Bears said yes.  You do that in case the price is right and to drive it up for all teams interested. 

As for CC, she was only relaying info she gathered.  She was all in wanting the bears to take LT for her personal wants.