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[Mongo3451]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

i contend that if Jones is slightly better than Trapilo he will still play Trapilo so that Trapilo grows and the line gets experience going forward into the future.

They're building toward a Superbowl, and so every decision has to be in line with that. Not winning one more game this year, and then starting over next year. That's poor strategy.

I completely disagree.  You must play the best player, period.  That's football 101.  Everyone is building for a Superbowl, so that analogy just doesn't fit. And

We are currently ranked fourth in our division, so every win counts just to make it one rung higher to a wildcard.  Having a ready player waiting in the wings is not a bad thing.  The eagles had a young Cam Jurgens sitting behind an old Jason Kelce.  Some could argue that Jurgens made the OL better. I know he was damn good in the Superbowl, plus he was all pro.  He was a second rounder just like Trapillo.  I also think Kelce was a fifth rounder like Braxton.

Howie Roseman is showing the league how it's done.  Maybe Poles is catching on and drafting them before you need them.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

44 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

I completely disagree.  You must play the best player, period.  That's football 101.  Everyone is building for a Superbowl, so that analogy just doesn't fit. And

We are currently ranked fourth in our division, so every win counts just to make it one rung higher to a wildcard.  Having a ready player waiting in the wings is not a bad thing.  The eagles had a young Cam Jurgens sitting behind an old Jason Kelce.  Some could argue that Jurgens made the OL better. I know he was damn good in the Superbowl, plus he was all pro.  He was a second rounder just like Trapillo.  I also think Kelce was a fifth rounder like Braxton.

Howie Roseman is showing the league how it's done.  Maybe Poles is catching on and drafting them before you need them.

It all comes down to protecting the QB.  Who can do it best deserves the job.  

Having depth that can is even better and seeing whole lines get decimated through a season means the position needs to be at least 8-9 deep.

[BearFan PHX]

If Braxton is a lot better than Trapilo of course he will start, but if it's close, like Trapilo is a little rough, but Braxton is weak on the bull rush Trapilo has a little trouble to the outside, but Braxton's issue is up the middle, and let's say Braxton is a 73 and Trapilo is a 71 then Trapilo will get the job.

Unless Braxton is a beast like weve never seen him be before, he is not getting a second contract, and they will let Trapilo play because he is more likely to get better over the season than Jones.

[Mongo3451]

17 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

If Braxton is a lot better than Trapilo of course he will start, but if it's close, like Trapilo is a little rough, but Braxton is weak on the bull rush Trapilo has a little trouble to the outside, but Braxton's issue is up the middle, and let's say Braxton is a 73 and Trapilo is a 71 then Trapilo will get the job.

Unless Braxton is a beast like weve never seen him be before, he is not getting a second contract, and they will let Trapilo play because he is more likely to get better over the season than Jones.

Nope.  73 always beats 71.  Contract doesn't matter at all.  The only way 71 takes over for 73 is injury or trade.  Then you decide to sign, trade or let walk.

[BearFan PHX]

22 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Nope.  73 always beats 71.  Contract doesn't matter at all.  The only way 71 takes over for 73 is injury or trade.  Then you decide to sign, trade or let walk.

and what if 71 is gonna be a 76 by midseason because hes getting experience, whereas Jones is already experienced and not getting better?

Teams play rookies all the time, and they know the rookies need some trial by fire, so they are necessarily not seasoned when they start?

[Mongo3451]

38 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

and what if 71 is gonna be a 76 by midseason because hes getting experience, whereas Jones is already experienced and not getting better?

Teams play rookies all the time, and they know the rookies need some trial by fire, so they are necessarily not seasoned when they start?

If ifs were fifths we'd all be drunk.  How do you think it would play in the locker room?  (Three year starter supplanted by a rookie that is not better) There's a reason SF had to trade Joe Montana away.  If 71 is gonna get to 76, he's gonna have to do it in practice first.  That's the depth we want to build, where the young bulls start moving out the old bulls.  You gotta beat him first or the rest of the bulls don't buy it.

[BearFan PHX]

5 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

If ifs were fifths we'd all be drunk.  How do you think it would play in the locker room?  (Three year starter supplanted by a rookie that is not better) There's a reason SF had to trade Joe Montana away.  If 71 is gonna get to 76, he's gonna have to do it in practice first.  That's the depth we want to build, where the young bulls start moving out the old bulls.  You gotta beat him first or the rest of the bulls don't buy it.

Im saying if they are close, and their weaknesses are different, you go with your 2nd round pick.

I think everyone in the locker room knows Jones has a weakness for bullrushes.

Remember a few years ago when we started all the rookie DBs? There was no scandal.

If Jones is clearly better then sure, but if its close, Trapilos got the job.

[Stinger226]

Whoever plays the best wins the job. Have  no idea who that will be but they are not playing the second best player. Makes no sense.

[Pixote]

I think it was Ashkum Bear who mentioned the deciding factor would be pass pro, and I agree.

BJ has mentioned the importance of the running game to set up play action.

However, he has also been quoted as saying the most critical skill set he wants in his starting OLT is Pass Pro.

So I ask: Which player, starting at left tackle, can provide the best protection for Caleb? Which OLT can, if necessary, operate on an island and keep Caleb from having to escape the pocket to keep from being sacked?

For the sake of this discussion point, forget about everything except Pass Pro.

IMO, that player will be the starter.

For the record, I love Ozzy and think he will eventually be a very good OLT.

But that aside, I'm worried about Caleb's Pass Pro on MNF against MIN. 

 

[Mongo3451]

46 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Im saying if they are close, and their weaknesses are different, you go with your 2nd round pick.

I think everyone in the locker room knows Jones has a weakness for bullrushes.

Remember a few years ago when we started all the rookie DBs? There was no scandal.

If Jones is clearly better then sure, but if its close, Trapilos got the job.

No, but I'm gonna leave it alone from here on out.

[BearFan PHX]

14 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

No, but I'm gonna leave it alone from here on out.

ok, we can agree to disagree