Preseason Week 3 Game Thread - Bears at Chiefs, NFLN, FRI, 8-22, 7:20pm Central

[Mongo3451]

34 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

We didnt draft Banks, Ersery or Simmons, so you should probably get over it. 

Jurko really liked Ersery pre draft.  We have Roushar, Johnson and Poles who came up with the picks they liked in the 2nd.  They must have really liked Trapilo to pull it off.  I'm going to stand on liking the trade until Trapilo is a bust, because I really like Burden and Stewart.

[BearFan PHX]

26 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Jurko really liked Ersery pre draft.  We have Roushar, Johnson and Poles who came up with the picks they liked in the 2nd.  They must have really liked Trapilo to pull it off.  I'm going to stand on liking the trade until Trapilo is a bust, because I really like Burden and Stewart.

 

we would have had Burden either way with pick #39. This was downgrading from Ersery to Trapilo to get Turner.

If we had taken Trapilo while Ersery or Banks was still on the board, then id read that our guys saw something extra special in him, in which case Id give it more time. But we didnt, we got cute traded down and then took Trapilo.

Now Im not saying Trapilo won't develop and be good, but what i am saying is Ersery is already looking GREAT to the point where his team is looking to trade the free agent they just signed who was going to start, but now wont because Ersery got the job already.

So the question is, is Turner going to be worth going from Ersery to Trapilo.

Im not trying to predict the future with Trapilo, Im saying that right now, we got too cute in the draft, and missed the solid players we need.

It's like Loveland. Hes obviously a great player and we are lucky to have him. But is he better than if we'd taken a pass rusher like Mykel Williams? If Loveland isnt an impact league leading TE, then pick 10 was too high to take him.

Im saying that I LOVE our new coaches. And I really like Burden and Loveland a lot. But Im not sure Poles is doing that great of a job.

He took Williams, which I think will turn out to look very good. Of course every single GM in the league would have known to do that. Even most of us here understood that was a no brainer. So does that make Poles good?

Then he got Ben Johnson. Also a huge feather in Poles cap. And again, an obvious no brainer decision. And Johnson chose us as much as anything, and that was because of Caleb. Again, huge score for Poles, but does it mean he is a good GM? Wouldn't any GM who needed a new coach have wanted Johnson?

I think Poles traded down too much in the draft. We could have even had Loveland, Burden and Ersery! And then Skatebo.

Again, not dissing Monangai - if he plays like he looked in camp, then that is indeed a good move by Poles.

But we are severely limited at LT and Pass Rush. These are huge problems at premium positions. We knew them going into the draft, and here we are after the offseason, and they are still glaring issues. It's nice to have 5 (6?) real playmakers WR and TE. But if Johnson is such a schemer, maybe we could have had one fewer TE or WR and address LT and Edge for real.

It's frustrating because this was easy to see the whole time. I kept saying it. Before the draft, during the draft and now.

We basically tried to fix the LT and DE with reaches we bought from a single 2nd pick we traded down. That's trying too hard, and in the end you out-think yourself.

[BearFan PHX]

52 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

We didnt draft Banks, Ersery or Simmons, so you should probably get over it. 

that doesnt even make sense - its just your typical "root for the guys you got and dont complain about it, theyll be good soon, just believe, just clap your hands together and together our rainbows will save the day" it's embarrassing.

Save your cheerleader booster club nonsense for some other homers. Poles screwed up again. We get better by admitting our weaknesses not with your participation trophies.

[Mongo3451]

2 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

We basically tried to fix the LT and DE with reaches we bought from a single 2nd pick we traded down. That's trying too hard, and in the end you out-think yourself.

We allegedly fixed DE by signing Dayo and Grady.  If they had Trapilo rated as high as Ersery, then I'm good.  If they had Ersery rated higher, I have a problem.  Revisionist history tells us we should have drafted Jared Verse instead of Rome, but there was little resistance from this group when it happened.  It's difficult to swallow an argument for Ersery when I don't remember hearing it before Trapilo failed at LT.  He still has a chance to develop.  We need that young 3T and I'm glad that got that when they did, because Jarrett is old and keeping the door warm.

[BearFan PHX]

30 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

We allegedly fixed DE by signing Dayo and Grady.  If they had Trapilo rated as high as Ersery, then I'm good.  If they had Ersery rated higher, I have a problem.  Revisionist history tells us we should have drafted Jared Verse instead of Rome, but there was little resistance from this group when it happened.  It's difficult to swallow an argument for Ersery when I don't remember hearing it before Trapilo failed at LT.  He still has a chance to develop.  We need that young 3T and I'm glad that got that when they did, because Jarrett is old and keeping the door warm.

no it's fair, youre right, hindsight IS 2020, but I was saying this at the time too - I was definitely pounding the table for Banks or Ersery.

Im not making a final determination on Trapilo, hes a young talented player, I hope he ascends and replaces Jones. But Ersery is already killing it and I thought and think that he was the better player. Truth be told, I didnt even watch any film on Trapilo pre draft. I didnt know anything about him.

And we havent even seen Turner at all, so i dont know what to think of him, hopefully he will be great. Just like I think Loveland and Burden are going to be great.

I'm just saying we went into the draft with questions at LT, Edge and HB, and here were are right before opening day, with questions at LT, Edge and HB.

I cant wait to see Johnson's offense in full force. We've been hungering for it for so long - but I fear we're going to see it not properly deployed because of pressure from the left side. And that is going to be SO frutrating. TO see WRs open everywhere and Caleb running for his life, and I can just hear the narratives already. "Hes still holding the ball too long, and scrambling too much" or "The Bears never protect their QBs, Williams will have the same outcome as Fields" and that is going to make me physically ill.

Oh and to your last point, Maybe Im missing something but Dayo looks like an expensive bust out there. Yikes.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

no it's fair, youre right, hindsight IS 2020, but I was saying this at the time too - I was definitely pounding the table for Banks or Ersery.

Im not making a final determination on Trapilo, hes a young talented player, I hope he ascends and replaces Jones. But Ersery is already killing it and I thought and think that he was the better player. Truth be told, I didnt even watch any film on Trapilo pre draft. I didnt know anything about him.

And we havent even seen Turner at all, so i dont know what to think of him, hopefully he will be great. Just like I think Loveland and Burden are going to be great.

I'm just saying we went into the draft with questions at LT, Edge and HB, and here were are right before opening day, with questions at LT, Edge and HB.

I cant wait to see Johnson's offense in full force. We've been hungering for it for so long - but I fear we're going to see it not properly deployed because of pressure from the left side. And that is going to be SO frutrating. TO see WRs open everywhere and Caleb running for his life, and I can just hear the narratives already. "Hes still holding the ball too long, and scrambling too much" or "The Bears never protect their QBs, Williams will have the same outcome as Fields" and that is going to make me physically ill.

Oh and to your last point, Maybe Im missing something but Dayo looks like an expensive bust out there. Yikes.

Oh, I'm with you on trenches.  Jason and I have bearing that dead horse for 20+ years on this and the old site.  I'm all in on trenches every year...

"It all starts up front!"  My old tag line...

[AZ54]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

We allegedly fixed DE by signing Dayo and Grady.  If they had Trapilo rated as high as Ersery, then I'm good.  If they had Ersery rated higher, I have a problem.  Revisionist history tells us we should have drafted Jared Verse instead of Rome, but there was little resistance from this group when it happened.  It's difficult to swallow an argument for Ersery when I don't remember hearing it before Trapilo failed at LT.  He still has a chance to develop.  We need that young 3T and I'm glad that got that when they did, because Jarrett is old and keeping the door warm.

No revisions here, I'm 100% ok with Rome.  I liked Verse too but as things worked out I really like this receiving group in combination with Caleb and Ben Johnson. 

I'm not out on Trapillo at LT either but we'll see how it works out long term.  Lots of veterans were struggling with the offensive installs so it's not a stretch to see a rookie struggling with that plus a position change.  He looked good early on but as the installs increased the mental side weighed him down.   His mind will catch up with the plays and assignments and then he'll be able to focus on technique again.  

[BearFan PHX]

41 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

I'm not out on Trapillo at LT either but we'll see how it works out long term.  Lots of veterans were struggling with the offensive installs so it's not a stretch to see a rookie struggling with that plus a position change.  He looked good early on but as the installs increased the mental side weighed him down.   His mind will catch up with the plays and assignments and then he'll be able to focus on technique again.  

Hopefully he is ready to take the job by the bye, so he gets good first team reps during the bye week.

[Mongo3451]

59 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

No revisions here, I'm 100% ok with Rome.  I liked Verse too but as things worked out I really like this receiving group in combination with Caleb and Ben Johnson. 

I'm not out on Trapillo at LT either but we'll see how it works out long term.  Lots of veterans were struggling with the offensive installs so it's not a stretch to see a rookie struggling with that plus a position change.  He looked good early on but as the installs increased the mental side weighed him down.   His mind will catch up with the plays and assignments and then he'll be able to focus on technique again.  

Yes.  That's why I'm loving the depth in the trenches.  Next man up!