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[AZ54]

5 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I can understand this, but this is his last year. Unless we are planning on paying him a big contract, then he walks next year for nothing. it might be nice to get something for him.

The something I might get out of keeping him is a much better Dline rotation that is good enough to get us into the Super Bowl.  

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, AZ54 said:

The something I might get out of keeping him is a much better Dline rotation that is good enough to get us into the Super Bowl.  

I don't understand the concept of getting rid of everyone when we are trying to get to a SB when there is no one on the team to replace that player.

In the case of trading DJ, we at least have Walker and  resign Zacchus to fill that spot. I think DJ staying gets us closer to that goal but if we can get value in a trade, I would understand. 

In the case of Edmunds, we could save the money and replace him with a less expensive player. (Demarco Jackson) Or if they find another cheaper option. 

Poles talked about this off-season that they wouldn't be making a big splash and I believe that because we just don't have the money. 

A few players back, a couple of cheaper free agents and the draft. 

[Mongo3451]

I don't think Dexter fits what we need him to do.  He's young and cheap, so let's see what he can do as a 1 tech.  I'm not sure trading him is beneficial, unless an idiot gives us a day two pick.  At this point, he's inexpensive depth with upside.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

The FA class at DT and other positions is bare.  There will be many more trades the offseason compared to others.  

A great GM would listen to all offers and be making calls himself.  

At 3T, we are stuck with Grady Jarrett.  We drafted Sherman Turner last year who can play there.  At pick 25 there are a few 3T and 1T we could take. So if they get the right value, why not? Dexter hasn't become a blue chip yet, maybe he does and maybe not. 

[Mongo3451]

53 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The FA class at DT and other positions is bare.  There will be many more trades the offseason compared to others.  

A great GM would listen to all offers and be making calls himself.  

At 3T, we are stuck with Grady Jarrett.  We drafted Sherman Turner last year who can play there.  At pick 25 there are a few 3T and 1T we could take. So if they get the right value, why not? Dexter hasn't become a blue chip yet, maybe he does and maybe not. 

Yep.  My guess is BPA LB or EDGE

[AZ54]

2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The FA class at DT and other positions is bare.  There will be many more trades the offseason compared to others.  

A great GM would listen to all offers and be making calls himself.  

At 3T, we are stuck with Grady Jarrett.  We drafted Sherman Turner last year who can play there.  At pick 25 there are a few 3T and 1T we could take. So if they get the right value, why not? Dexter hasn't become a blue chip yet, maybe he does and maybe not. 

A good defensive front has four guys who can rotate in

[BearFan PHX]

55 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

A good defensive front has four guys who can rotate in

Totally agree. Look at the Eagles in 2024. That's the way to do it.

I'm just saying, there is a decision to be made, on one side is whatever Dexter adds to the rotation, and on the other side is whatever draft value you can get from him in his last year. And can that draft capital help procure a better replacement.

If Dexter was better, it'd be a no brainer to keep him, and if he was worse, it'd be a no brainer to trade him. So i think both are viable options right now, so that's all Im saying, is there are two sides to the coin. Im not passionate about either one.

Stinger had asked about why anyone would want to trade him, so i was just giving that side of the argument, but like I said, I can see it either way, personally.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Totally agree. Look at the Eagles in 2024. That's the way to do it.

I'm just saying, there is a decision to be made, on one side is whatever Dexter adds to the rotation, and on the other side is whatever draft value you can get from him in his last year. And can that draft capital help procure a better replacement.

If Dexter was better, it'd be a no brainer to keep him, and if he was worse, it'd be a no brainer to trade him. So i think both are viable options right now, so that's all Im saying, is there are two sides to the coin. Im not passionate about either one.

Stinger had asked about why anyone would want to trade him, so i was just giving that side of the argument, but like I said, I can see it either way, personally.

Same, I never said we need to trade him either.  I noted that he is being asked about, which means teams have interest. He has value here and for the right price he could be traded. 

Seeing teams trade player for player recently, maybe the Bears find a LT, S, LB, or another DL that they like knowing they can draft a DT to replace him. 

[AZ54]

2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

 

Seeing teams trade player for player recently, maybe the Bears find a LT, S, LB, or another DL that they like knowing they can draft a DT to replace him. 

This trade idea for a good LT I could see.  Of course it'll be a 2nd tier type of player but we need that.  

[Mongo3451]

38 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

This trade idea for a good LT I could see.  Of course it'll be a 2nd tier type of player but we need that.  

I keep seeing Trent Williams becoming available, due to SF being in cap hell...

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Same, I never said we need to trade him either.  I noted that he is being asked about, which means teams have interest. He has value here and for the right price he could be traded. 

Seeing teams trade player for player recently, maybe the Bears find a LT, S, LB, or another DL that they like knowing they can draft a DT to replace him. 

If we trade Dexter that means we have to draft 3 DTs. If you bring one in at the same money you're paying Dexter in FAgency then I understand but find that player. No one is giving us more than a 5th  rounder if we were lucky. I'm not married to him but find someone making 2 mil a yr that gives you 6 sacks. If you go we 3 rookies instead of a vet , you're not getting help at another position.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

If we trade Dexter that means we have to draft 3 DTs. If you bring one in at the same money you're paying Dexter in FAgency then I understand but find that player. No one is giving us more than a 5th  rounder if we were lucky. I'm not married to him but find someone making 2 mil a yr that gives you 6 sacks. If you go we 3 rookies instead of a vet , you're not getting help at another position.

Did you think the Bears would land 3 stud FA O-linemen and draft one? 4 new starters that transformed the Bears offense. If Poles, BJ, and DA think trading him helps the Bears, they will do it.  Its not ideal, but nearly all the players are on the table, even Bagent, if it helps them get the team to the top. They would not trade him for less than it would take to replace him, the Bears are not in that phase. 

[BearFan PHX]

Not to be rude or fighty or anything like that, but this is the perfect example, because last year were were debating the OL, and Stinger was saying the same thing. He said no more than 2 new faces on the OL, and that Jenkins would get better etc.

I'm not mentioning it in terms of wrong or right, but more in terms of whether the team will look outside the roster for new faces, or be more inclined to roll it back with guys who arent making it.

Whether we keep Dexter or not, he wont be a plus starter for us. AZ54 makes a good point about keeping him as a rotational player, and others talk about getting some value for him in the last year of his contract.

But either way, no one in Halas Hall is penciling Dexter in as a starter at DT. We have to get significantly better on the DL, and Im expecting some new faces. I honestly think Turner is more trusted at this point than Dexter for our future. neither is someone you can count on to be a leader, but Turner has an untapped future, and we can see who Dexter is.

Look at this frame from the playoff game. Sweat is already two yards upfield, and Dexter hasn't even started to move yet. This was the knock on him coming out of college, and it still persists.

[Mongo3451]

Good Lord, the QB has the ball...🤣🤣🤣

[AZ54]

20 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Not to be rude or fighty or anything like that, but this is the perfect example, because last year were were debating the OL, and Stinger was saying the same thing. He said no more than 2 new faces on the OL, and that Jenkins would get better etc.

I'm not mentioning it in terms of wrong or right, but more in terms of whether the team will look outside the roster for new faces, or be more inclined to roll it back with guys who arent making it.

Whether we keep Dexter or not, he wont be a plus starter for us. AZ54 makes a good point about keeping him as a rotational player, and others talk about getting some value for him in the last year of his contract.

But either way, no one in Halas Hall is penciling Dexter in as a starter at DT. We have to get significantly better on the DL, and Im expecting some new faces. I honestly think Turner is more trusted at this point than Dexter for our future. neither is someone you can count on to be a leader, but Turner has an untapped future, and we can see who Dexter is.

Look at this frame from the playoff game. Sweat is already two yards upfield, and Dexter hasn't even started to move yet. This was the knock on him coming out of college, and it still persists.

I agree this year has the same feel of a big overhaul coming on the D like we saw last year on offense.  After listening to the press conferences at the combine the Bears are open to all options.  The D will likely look dramatically different in ways I can’t predict.  To that end it appears trade talk on Bagent is heating up.  

[AZ54]

12 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Good Lord, the QB has the ball...🤣🤣🤣

It also appears he’s about to run a stunt since the other DT is running towards him.  Even that doesn’t prevent him from standing up and taking a half step forward.  At least sell it a little bit.  

[BearFan PHX]

48 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

I agree this year has the same feel of a big overhaul coming on the D like we saw last year on offense.  After listening to the press conferences at the combine the Bears are open to all options.  The D will likely look dramatically different in ways I can’t predict.  To that end it appears trade talk on Bagent is heating up.  

Yeah there are so many options, I am nowhere near predicting what we are going to do, but I have a strong feeling we're going to do SOMETHING and not just a little something.

And when you add to that Ben Johnson's aggressive nature, I cant help but think there are going to be tons of new starters. And how we will accomplish that is going to be VERY interesting. This year for Poles should be really fun to watch.

[BearFan PHX]

46 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

It also appears he’s about to run a stunt since the other DT is running towards him.  Even that doesn’t prevent him from standing up and taking a half step forward.  At least sell it a little bit.  

It does look like a stunt there based on the angle of the other DT. I thought so too, but like you say, he should still he be up out of his stance. And there are lots of examples like this one. He's just slow off the ball. He certainly hasn't become the active 3T that we were hoping he'd be. And it's not like hes a BJ or DA "guy" either.

He has value. For us in a rotation, maybe for someone else in trade? Hes far short of the starter I hoped he'd be, but he's not a bad 2nd stringer for us. I just feel like a housecleaning is coming, but I dont have any proof of course.

[AZ54]

Seeing reports that 3 teams are interested in Edmunds