DJ Moore traded to Bills

[AZ54]

Now go get us a 2nd rd pick for Bagent.  

[BearFan PHX]

Yeah, win/win. I'm so happy we got a 2nd for him. THis is honestly better than I thought it would be, and I was in favor of this move before when i thought compensation could be less.

I think this is going to be a very dynamic offseason. I cant wait to see the roster opening day!

[BearFan PHX]

3 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Now go get us a 2nd rd pick for Bagent.  

amen. I wouldnt let him go (this year) for less.

As we clear cap space, and load up on ammo, you gotta figure this defense is going to look very different. And that really puts us in place to be serious contenders for the Super Bowl this year, and beyond. Finally!

[AZ54]

Stepping back and looking around the league:  The 2nd Rd pick likely means there was good competition for DJ and I suspect NE was that main concern the Bills had.  Maybe we’re going to see a bit of an arms race in the AFC.  Will the Patriots trade for AJ Brown?    

I thought DJ might be part of a deal to bring Crosby here.  That might not be totally out of the question if we use our 2nd Rd picks in that manner.  Perhaps the Raiders only valued DJ as a 3rd Rd equivalent?  Poles turns around and says here is a 2nd instead of DJ.   I still lean toward not spending big money on a vet DE but can’t deny how much of a game changer Crosby is as a player.  

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Stepping back and looking around the league:  The 2nd Rd pick likely means there was good competition for DJ and I suspect NE was that main concern the Bills had.  Maybe we’re going to see a bit of an arms race in the AFC.  Will the Patriots trade for AJ Brown?    

I thought DJ might be part of a deal to bring Crosby here.  That might not be totally out of the question if we use our 2nd Rd picks in that manner.  Perhaps the Raiders only valued DJ as a 3rd Rd equivalent?  Poles turns around and says here is a 2nd instead of DJ.   I still lean toward not spending big money on a vet DE but can’t deny how much of a game changer Crosby is as a player.  

Good point about Brown. i thought he was gonna go and then Moore was gonna go right after, but I guess Buffalo wanted Moore more, or didnt want to wait for Brown and possibly miss both?

Crosby is gonna be expensive in trade and cap. I've been wondering if we wouldn't go with Hendrickson, or someone else, maybe a DT. I generally feel the same way you do about being careful with picks and cap room. But seeing how aggressive Johnson and poles were on the offensive side of the ball last year, and seeing as how we know Caleb is the guy. Maybe we will go all in, make a run, and get our cap locked in to a roster full of talent that we hope to ride for several years.

It's risky of course. You look at Dayo, Jarrett etc - you don't want to go all in and end up married to guys who underperform their deals. But I wouldnt be surprised if we were aggressive around Crosby and Linderbaum. And then wed need some mid tier LT, and DT, maybe a safety before the draft. Do all that you've got a hell of a team, but you're married to them all for several years, so you have to be sure theyre gonna be studs for you.

With all the talk from Crosby maybe he really does want to come here and get a ring.

One thing's for sure, with Caleb and Johnson we are becoming an attractive place for high end free agents to want to go.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

35 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Good point about Brown. i thought he was gonna go and then Moore was gonna go right after, but I guess Buffalo wanted Moore more, or didnt want to wait for Brown and possibly miss both?

Crosby is gonna be expensive in trade and cap. I've been wondering if we wouldn't go with Hendrickson, or someone else, maybe a DT. I generally feel the same way you do about being careful with picks and cap room. But seeing how aggressive Johnson and poles were on the offensive side of the ball last year, and seeing as how we know Caleb is the guy. Maybe we will go all in, make a run, and get our cap locked in to a roster full of talent that we hope to ride for several years.

It's risky of course. You look at Dayo, Jarrett etc - you don't want to go all in and end up married to guys who underperform their deals. But I wouldnt be surprised if we were aggressive around Crosby and Linderbaum. And then wed need some mid tier LT, and DT, maybe a safety before the draft. Do all that you've got a hell of a team, but you're married to them all for several years, so you have to be sure theyre gonna be studs for you.

With all the talk from Crosby maybe he really does want to come here and get a ring.

One thing's for sure, with Caleb and Johnson we are becoming an attractive place for high end free agents to want to go.

If the Bears got Crosby and were able to include Dayo in it - the ability to really spend money opens up a bit.  

[BearFan PHX]

2 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

If the Bears got Crosby and were able to include Dayo in it - the ability to really spend money opens up a bit.  

Oh man, I'd trade Dayo and Jarrett for nothing just to get them off the books! That would be great, but does anyone want them?

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Stepping back and looking around the league:  The 2nd Rd pick likely means there was good competition for DJ and I suspect NE was that main concern the Bills had.  Maybe we’re going to see a bit of an arms race in the AFC.  Will the Patriots trade for AJ Brown?    

I thought DJ might be part of a deal to bring Crosby here.  That might not be totally out of the question if we use our 2nd Rd picks in that manner.  Perhaps the Raiders only valued DJ as a 3rd Rd equivalent?  Poles turns around and says here is a 2nd instead of DJ.   I still lean toward not spending big money on a vet DE but can’t deny how much of a game changer Crosby is as a player.  

 

4 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Stepping back and looking around the league:  The 2nd Rd pick likely means there was good competition for DJ and I suspect NE was that main concern the Bills had.  Maybe we’re going to see a bit of an arms race in the AFC.  Will the Patriots trade for AJ Brown?    

I thought DJ might be part of a deal to bring Crosby here.  That might not be totally out of the question if we use our 2nd Rd picks in that manner.  Perhaps the Raiders only valued DJ as a 3rd Rd equivalent?  Poles turns around and says here is a 2nd instead of DJ.   I still lean toward not spending big money on a vet DE but can’t deny how much of a game changer Crosby is as a player.  

As much as a lot of fans bad-mouthed DJ, the value Poles got shows other teams seen his value. Poles wants to build through the draft so he is now acquiring draft capital. Edmunds and Bagent trades could make this a great draft again. 

He's going to bring in a 2nd tier pass rusher, Clowney or Cam Jordan but it would be great if he could get Johnathan Allen here. 

[Stinger226]

12 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

If the Bears got Crosby and were able to include Dayo in it - the ability to really spend money opens up a bit.  

No one is trading for an injuried player. No one even knows if he will be ready for training camp and Jarrett earns to much to be a consideration. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

13 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

No one is trading for an injuried player. No one even knows if he will be ready for training camp and Jarrett earns to much to be a consideration. 

My point was - if the price really is steep - would the Raiders take on the salary for one year to ensure they got a FRP and a 2RP (or what you are hearing as a rumor that some teams have offered 2 FRP's).  I just don't like trading future FRP's since you never know what could happen - meaning the risk of the pick being top 10 is too great (knowing injuries etc can happen).  

[Stinger226]

11 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

My point was - if the price really is steep - would the Raiders take on the salary for one year to ensure they got a FRP and a 2RP (or what you are hearing as a rumor that some teams have offered 2 FRP's).  I just don't like trading future FRP's since you never know what could happen - meaning the risk of the pick being top 10 is too great (knowing injuries etc can happen).  

There's no reason they shouldn't be able to get top dollar for Crosby. They said they don't want to trade him and he doesn't want to leave. He's the most popular Raider. Why settle for less? Especially after the Parsons trade last year.

 

[AZ54]

43 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

There's no reason they shouldn't be able to get top dollar for Crosby. They said they don't want to trade him and he doesn't want to leave. He's the most popular Raider. Why settle for less? Especially after the Parsons trade last year.

 

Someone here keeps saying he’s had a bunch of knee surgeries.  I actually don’t know his history but at a mínimum needing one surgery last year qualifies as a reason IMO.  

[Stinger226]

5 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Someone here keeps saying he’s had a bunch of knee surgeries.  I actually don’t know his history but at a mínimum needing one surgery last year qualifies as a reason IMO.  

Actually I was the one that mentioned he has had 8 in his career. That's a red flag for me. Parsons had an injury when he was traded and ended up not finishing the year. The biggest reason I don't think we are getting him is the two 1st round picks. I don't think Poles will do that.

[AZ54]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Actually I was the one that mentioned he has had 8 in his career. That's a red flag for me. Parsons had an injury when he was traded and ended up not finishing the year. The biggest reason I don't think we are getting him is the two 1st round picks. I don't think Poles will do that.

I agree I don’t want to give up two firsts.