19 hours ago19 hr comment_233378 I was looking up some numbers, basically to see how rare a situation Myles Garrett is in with his level of individual dominance combined with team failures and right off the bat, he is definitely up in the top 10 all-time. With a career AV of 123, he has only played in 3 playoff games. There are only 7 players with higher AV and 3 or fewer playoff games. 6 played pre-1970, leaving Willie Roaf as the only modern day player to have more AV with 3 or fewer playoff games. He has a 145 AV with only 3 playoff games. So if CLE misses the playoffs again in 2026, Garrett will pass Roaf during the 2027 season with the highest AV with fewest playoff games in NFL history (SB era). Of the other modern day players on the list, Roaf, Andre Johnson, Demario Davis, Patrick Peterson, and Adrian Peterson, all of them played for at least two different teams other than Garrett. A funny side note, 3 of the top 4 played for Detroit in the 50s-70s.One other interesting note was Bears-related. 3 Bears made the top 50. Urlacher(24), Briggs(28), and Walter(38). Khalil Mack (22) also made an appearance. Report
13 hours ago13 hr comment_233382 It's Average Value and is a blended stat to measure someone's value. It's like the WAR stat in baseball. IMO - the good ol eye test is king. Report
7 hours ago7 hr comment_233385 *Approximate Value - it's just supposed to be an objective view of their overall value, and of course that's a really hard stat to defend since everything is different for each player. Report
6 hours ago6 hr comment_233386 It should be normalized that way. Garret contract will represent 13.3% of their cap space at 40mil/yr. He has to provide value equivalent to about 7 or 8 players assuming an average player contract value of 5mil. You need a few players on rookie contracts playing above their value to balance it out. Of course he is good enough to offset some lower performing players but in a game where you are one of 11 on the field how many? If you take his cap hit just for the defense he represents 26% off defensive money(assuming an even split between offense defense). Report
5 hours ago5 hr comment_233387 Like AZ said, value should be related to contracts. Example: Edwards originally signed for a moderate contract and Edmunds got paid a fat contract. Looking at the time they were with the bears, Edwards was clearly more of a value because of the money when you could arguely agree that played similar. Whoever came up with the AV component, is there an explanation of the criteria they used? Report
5 hours ago5 hr comment_233389 I think the word "value" is throwing people off. The AV is just supposed to be a measure of how good a player is compared to his team. Trying to get that into one stat is foolish in my view, but people love easy numbers they can point to.But given where the discussion has gone, it is a really interesting idea to take the AV (if you have faith in it) and divide it by the cap percentage the player takes up. Then you'd be able to see underpaid and overpaid players.Here's a description of how they get the number:https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/approximate_value.htm Report
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