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One thing I take away from this is something Anderson himself says. Anderson said that in his rookie year, he was used as a pass rush specialist, coming in on obvious passing downs only. In that role, he looked like a stud. Then he was moved into a starting position, where he struggled. Now, he is not starting, but is not simply playing passing downs either. He is playing series, according to him, and thus can't "pin his ears back" and just attack the rusher. He said, when he plays, that he doesn't know if it is a pass or run.

 

Now we can all argue that, as a DE, he should be able to play effective regardless. That's what a DE does. But if this is true, would it not be better to remove him from the "rotation" and simply play him on passing downs as a specialist? If the guy can't play the run, then don't try to make him into something he is not.

 

Anderson's waiting for a real DC...

 

All joking aside, thanks for the article. Good points...

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Great points...

 

Again, this staff baffles the mind.

 

One thing I take away from this is something Anderson himself says. Anderson said that in his rookie year, he was used as a pass rush specialist, coming in on obvious passing downs only. In that role, he looked like a stud. Then he was moved into a starting position, where he struggled. Now, he is not starting, but is not simply playing passing downs either. He is playing series, according to him, and thus can't "pin his ears back" and just attack the rusher. He said, when he plays, that he doesn't know if it is a pass or run.

 

Now we can all argue that, as a DE, he should be able to play effective regardless. That's what a DE does. But if this is true, would it not be better to remove him from the "rotation" and simply play him on passing downs as a specialist? If the guy can't play the run, then don't try to make him into something he is not.

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I can understand the move to the starting line last year. When you have a rookie pass rush specialist that posts 12 sacks, you can't help but wonder what he would do w/ more opportunities. It didn't work. While a change should probably have taken place sooner, at least they didn't wait until the end of the season.

 

I can actually even understand not moving him all the way back to specialist to start this season. He didn't work as a starter, but (a) I am sure they worked w/ him in the offseason, thus thinking he could develop more of an all around game and (B) you hate to demote him too far to quickly. So I understand his being considered a rotation DE rather than situational pass rusher to start the season.

 

The problem I have is, we all can see how ineffective he has been, and yet what changes have been made. Further, if you read the article, his own freaking comments indicate his belief that his lack of sacks (compared to his rookie season) are due to not playing as a specialist, when he doesn't have to worry about the run.

 

This goes back a bit to when players started to talk to the media, and I pointed out Ted Sunquist saying that if there is not an open line of communication between player and coach, you will see players talk to the media, who is then their only outlet. Sure sounds to me like Anderson knows he should be used in pass rush situations only. So this begs the question. Just how bad is the communication between coach and player that Lovie/Babich continue to use Anderson is such a way as that Anderson himself knows is not what is best.

 

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It's more damning evidence that our coaching staff is not good enough.

 

I can understand the move to the starting line last year. When you have a rookie pass rush specialist that posts 12 sacks, you can't help but wonder what he would do w/ more opportunities. It didn't work. While a change should probably have taken place sooner, at least they didn't wait until the end of the season.

 

I can actually even understand not moving him all the way back to specialist to start this season. He didn't work as a starter, but (a) I am sure they worked w/ him in the offseason, thus thinking he could develop more of an all around game and (B) you hate to demote him too far to quickly. So I understand his being considered a rotation DE rather than situational pass rusher to start the season.

 

The problem I have is, we all can see how ineffective he has been, and yet what changes have been made. Further, if you read the article, his own freaking comments indicate his belief that his lack of sacks (compared to his rookie season) are due to not playing as a specialist, when he doesn't have to worry about the run.

 

This goes back a bit to when players started to talk to the media, and I pointed out Ted Sunquist saying that if there is not an open line of communication between player and coach, you will see players talk to the media, who is then their only outlet. Sure sounds to me like Anderson knows he should be used in pass rush situations only. So this begs the question. Just how bad is the communication between coach and player that Lovie/Babich continue to use Anderson is such a way as that Anderson himself knows is not what is best.

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One thing I take away from this is something Anderson himself says. Anderson said that in his rookie year, he was used as a pass rush specialist, coming in on obvious passing downs only. In that role, he looked like a stud. Then he was moved into a starting position, where he struggled. Now, he is not starting, but is not simply playing passing downs either. He is playing series, according to him, and thus can't "pin his ears back" and just attack the rusher. He said, when he plays, that he doesn't know if it is a pass or run.

 

Now we can all argue that, as a DE, he should be able to play effective regardless. That's what a DE does. But if this is true, would it not be better to remove him from the "rotation" and simply play him on passing downs as a specialist? If the guy can't play the run, then don't try to make him into something he is not.

 

If that's the case, there's no reason for him to be out there on any down besides 3rd and 4th and long.

 

I think the other DE we need to be focusing on is Adawale, he is complete garbage this season, outside of one game early this season. I'm still hoping Tommie's problem is with his health, even though his attitude isn't helping.

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Sorry but I'm not buying this argument that Anderson is the victim of bad coaching. I've seen Anderson out there on plenty of "passing downs". More to the point, how many posts have we gone through, Nfol included, where we gripe about the fact all our DE's ever do is rush wide outside? So if we blame coaches for this problem, and if that's the only thing Anderson has to do when he's on the field regardless of run or pass what is the problem?

 

To quote the article:

 

"Anderson hasn't made a sack this season, and it has been 22 games since he has had a full one."

 

That isn't coaching that's a player not getting his job done. The same as we've been saying about Ogunleye and Brown.

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Hey, this may all be true, but I can't get past the fact that before Babich, Anderson had 12 sacks, and since? But I guess Anderson just got old and lost a step too. Right?

 

Seriously here. If it were just Urlacher, fine. He has been playing a while and has the back. Maybe he lost a step, and as speed was so much of his game, that would explain it. Mike Brown. Maybe he lost a step after the injury, and as he wasn't that fast to begin w/, he can't get it done.

 

But it isn't just Urlacher, or just Brown. It is the entire freaking D that went from top 5, loaded w/ pro bowl caliber talent, to just plain sorry. Wale, Brown and Anderson suddenly became crap. Harris? Went from being considered maybe the best pass rushing DT in the game to doing a casper impersionation. Urlacher, Hunter, Vasher, Tillman, Brown.

 

That is why I have a difficult time believing the coaching is not the biggest problem here. Logically speaking, it would simply seem to make more sense that the signle change from Rivera to Babich is the cause, rather than believe that each and every one of our players on defense suddenly forgot how to play.

 

Sorry but I'm not buying this argument that Anderson is the victim of bad coaching. I've seen Anderson out there on plenty of "passing downs". More to the point, how many posts have we gone through, Nfol included, where we gripe about the fact all our DE's ever do is rush wide outside? So if we blame coaches for this problem, and if that's the only thing Anderson has to do when he's on the field regardless of run or pass what is the problem?

 

To quote the article:

 

"Anderson hasn't made a sack this season, and it has been 22 games since he has had a full one."

 

That isn't coaching that's a player not getting his job done. The same as we've been saying about Ogunleye and Brown.

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The Bears coaching staff has done a poor job in general generating a pass rush and it doesn't shock me that they are miss utilizing Anderson. Anderson should be in on all "passing" downs, no iffs and ors butts about it. If it isn't a passing down, than his ass shouldn't be out there unless he's giving Adewale or Brown a breather.

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Sorry but I'm not buying this argument that Anderson is the victim of bad coaching. I've seen Anderson out there on plenty of "passing downs". More to the point, how many posts have we gone through, Nfol included, where we gripe about the fact all our DE's ever do is rush wide outside? So if we blame coaches for this problem, and if that's the only thing Anderson has to do when he's on the field regardless of run or pass what is the problem?

 

To quote the article:

 

"Anderson hasn't made a sack this season, and it has been 22 games since he has had a full one."

 

That isn't coaching that's a player not getting his job done. The same as we've been saying about Ogunleye and Brown.

 

I'm far from a fan of this coaching staff, and I think Babich might be retarded, I have to agree with your initial comments. It comes down to bad coaching in my opinion; it's that stupid circle blitz. Outside, outside, outside.

 

I noticed through the highlights on NFL.com that the Bears did a stunt of some kind, and Adawale Ogunleye came through COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED for a huge sack. Hmmm...maybe the coaching staff might see that and realize how ignorant and stubborn they've been with their system.

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I'm far from a fan of this coaching staff, and I think Babich might be retarded, I have to agree with your initial comments. It comes down to bad coaching in my opinion; it's that stupid circle blitz. Outside, outside, outside.

 

I noticed through the highlights on NFL.com that the Bears did a stunt of some kind, and Adawale Ogunleye came through COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED for a huge sack. Hmmm...maybe the coaching staff might see that and realize how ignorant and stubborn they've been with their system.

Hub talked about that play. It was a stunt. Url went outside and the blocker took him. Ogy went inside untouched. So it appears the coaches are learning - may be a little late but they did make changes.

 

Peace :dabears

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