ostrogoth Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Nathan Vasher is "all but out of the mix" at cornerback for the Bears, according to the Chicago Tribune. The Tribune points out that Vasher's tackling skills have declined. He also isn't ideally built to play cornerback in the Bears' scheme at only 5'10/180. The Bears are expected to consider a corner with the No. 18 overall pick. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....-the-draft.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyyle23 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 kind of a misleading title. "The Chicago Tribune says Vasher is done with the Bears" is a little more appropriate until he gets his walking papers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azbearsfan Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Cool with me. Every since he got his payday he hasn't been very good. Kind of a theme with our defense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Cool with me. Every since he got his payday he hasn't been very good. Kind of a theme with our defense... How much would we save by giving him the pink slip I guess is a question. I would love to get a Malcolm Jenkins but he will be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Too bad... He started off so well. I'd like to keep him at as a nickel back. But he'd have to re-structure his deal. On the other hand, nor do I see us unloading him without seriously addressing the issue. Nathan Vasher is "all but out of the mix" at cornerback for the Bears, according to the Chicago Tribune. The Tribune points out that Vasher's tackling skills have declined. He also isn't ideally built to play cornerback in the Bears' scheme at only 5'10/180. The Bears are expected to consider a corner with the No. 18 overall pick. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....-the-draft.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I don't get it. This will actually cost the Bears cap space. At least based upon what everyone has mentioned regarding his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I don't get it. This will actually cost the Bears cap space. At least based upon what everyone has mentioned regarding his contract. I would like to see us go after Victor Harris, CB from VT. He is big for a corner and they say he will work best in the Tampa 2. His main weakness is speed. http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009CB.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I would like to see us go after Victor Harris, CB from VT. He is big for a corner and they say he will work best in the Tampa 2. His main weakness is speed. http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009CB.php Or even Alphonso Smith from Wake Forest. He is undersized at 5'8" but had 13 passes broken up and 6 picks this past year. Could be a great pick. This picks I am thinking of in the 2nd to 3rd round if they slip. Not with the 18th pick overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I don't get it. This will actually cost the Bears cap space. At least based upon what everyone has mentioned regarding his contract. Perhaps they already have the outline of a trade worked out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think we lose about 4.7 million if we cut Vasher this year. A big chunk to eat, but we are pretty set financially, and this would send a message to the team, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Again, I'd love to have Vontae Davis with our 1st rounder. I don't feel comfortable going into next season with Bowman and Graham as our starting CB's, if we do move Tillman to FS. Victor Harris is my 2nd choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshaz Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think we lose about 4.7 million if we cut Vasher this year. A big chunk to eat, but we are pretty set financially, and this would send a message to the team, IMO. That's a HUGE chunk to eat. For what? Does cutting Vasher really make us better? Vash was hurt all season last year. When he's healthy, he's one of our best playmakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Nathan Vasher is "all but out of the mix" at cornerback for the Bears, according to the Chicago Tribune. The Tribune points out that Vasher's tackling skills have declined. He also isn't ideally built to play cornerback in the Bears' scheme at only 5'10/180. The NONE of this makes sense IMO. 1. How the hell do your tackling skills decline? With the exception of injuries, that SHOULD be correctable. Isn't this why we fired our seconary coach? 2. Vasher was never great at tackling or in coverage. He was great at having a nose for the ball. He was 5'10" 180 when we gave him the extension. 3. With all our needs, why the hell would we even consider a CB #1??? JA drafted Tillman in round two, Vasher in round 4, Graham in round 5, Zac Bowman in round 5, and McBride in round 7. Granted, there are huge questions about the last 3, but all of them show potential. Compared to other positions, even without Vasher, we're not bad a CB. No way in hell we go corner in round one. 4. Has JA EVER eaten much money to dump a player? Sure Cedric cost us 1.9 million or something like that this season, but that's after he sucked, was injured, AND embarrassed the franchise. So far Vasher has only sucked & been hurt. 5. What happened to shut-down corners not being that important in the cover two? Someone threw out that Vasher would cost us 4.7 million if we dumped him. I have no idea if that's correct, but if it is, there's no way we do it. Hell, we kept Terrence Metcalf around this season just because it would cost us a million to dump him. If we saved a ton of dough, I could see it. If he's been an ass-hat and we're giving up on him, I could see it. But right now, it makes no sense. Considering we're still desperate for a FS, or if DM is actually going to play there, we're desperate for a nickel. There's no way we plan to replace him now. Lets hope he earns his way back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 That's a HUGE chunk to eat. For what? Does cutting Vasher really make us better? Vash was hurt all season last year. When he's healthy, he's one of our best playmakers. This is why I would go after the CB from the Raiders Asomugha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenomSox Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I don't feel comfortable going into next season with Bowman and Graham as our starting CB's, if we do move Tillman to FS. I was thinking the same thing. Probably means no move for Tillman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 This is why I would go after the CB from the Raiders Asomugha He'll be franchised, and then we'd have to give up a 1st and a 3rd for him. If he's not franchised, Davis will finally give him a 6-8 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Isn't this Asomugha love WAY over-hyped??? The guy has had two interceptions in two years. Yes he might be the greatest corner the NFL has ever seen, or he's a good corner on a really, really bad team. In five years he's had 10 interceptions and 8 of them were in 2006. Are you kidding me? The thought is the teams are scared to throw at him. I don't buy this. I think a lot of Offensive coordinators are cocky & over-confident. For instance, against the Bears, every team knew their TE's were likely to go for 200 yards. Yet certain teams, like New Orleans & St. Louis ignored this tactic. They were thumped in the process. Great players find a way to make plays. My guess is that if Asomugha were to come here, we'd be extremely dissappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Isn't this Asomugha love WAY over-hyped??? The guy has had two interceptions in two years. Yes he might be the greatest corner the NFL has ever seen, or he's a good corner on a really, really bad team. In five years he's had 10 interceptions and 8 of them were in 2006. Are you kidding me? The thought is the teams are scared to throw at him. I don't buy this. I think a lot of Offensive coordinators are cocky & over-confident. For instance, against the Bears, every team knew their TE's were likely to go for 200 yards. Yet certain teams, like New Orleans & St. Louis ignored this tactic. They were thumped in the process. Great players find a way to make plays. My guess is that if Asomugha were to come here, we'd be extremely dissappointed. No, you're wrong. If you've ever watched a Raiders game (it's not pretty so don't), he gets thrown to, at the most, 3 times a game. He held Andre Johnson to 2 catches for 19 yards and Steve Smith to 1 catch for 9 yards. I think that says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Isn't this Asomugha love WAY over-hyped??? The guy has had two interceptions in two years. Yes he might be the greatest corner the NFL has ever seen, or he's a good corner on a really, really bad team. In five years he's had 10 interceptions and 8 of them were in 2006. Are you kidding me? The thought is the teams are scared to throw at him. I don't buy this. I think a lot of Offensive coordinators are cocky & over-confident. For instance, against the Bears, every team knew their TE's were likely to go for 200 yards. Yet certain teams, like New Orleans & St. Louis ignored this tactic. They were thumped in the process. Great players find a way to make plays. My guess is that if Asomugha were to come here, we'd be extremely dissappointed. Asomugha is the best cornerback in the NFL. When teams completely avoid throwing to their best players because he is defending them...it says a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Asomugha is the best cornerback in the NFL. When teams completely avoid throwing to their best players because he is defending them...it says a lot. My bestfriend is a huge Raiders fan and loves this guy. I have seen enough games to know that he is a shut down corner because he doesn't all the WR that he is defending do much at all. He doesn't get all the picks like you guys would want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 lol, interceptions are suuuuuuch a terrible stat. When a player gets a lot of interceptions, that means they get thrown at a lot. It doesn't mean they're a bad corner, but interceptions are FAR from the whole story. The great corners are never thrown at because they are, get this, GREAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 That's a HUGE chunk to eat. For what? Does cutting Vasher really make us better? Vash was hurt all season last year. When he's healthy, he's one of our best playmakers. We'd still have plenty of cap (honestly, do you think we're going to make a big splash in FA? Maybe a couple decent signings, but nothing huge probably), and Vasher sucks. He sucked the year before he got paid, and he's sucked last year. He's gotten fat and out of shape, and really doesn't do anything right anymore. Plus, now he can't even stay healthy. Good riddence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 1. If this costs a lot, he shouldn't be cut. 2. If it's size and tackling, then that's a cop-out excuse. He's always been this size, and the tackling can be corrected. Besides, he was injured, and before then did fairly well. 3. Drafting a CB in the first round would be effing horrible for the Bears right now. Period. That's not even in the top five needs (OT, OG, QB, WR, FS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Luciano Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 This is why I would go after the CB from the Raiders Asomugha this is the #1 free agent i go for this offseason. since ASHKUM BEAR brought this guys attention to the board i have argued that this is the premier free agent that will help our entire team for the same reasons i argued for charles woodson 3-4 years ago. so angie gets a redo if he is even reasonably smart. asomugha is an unrestricted free agent and the only way the raiders can hope to keep him is either offer him a huge contract or franchise him for BIG money. although it's hard to outguess a quite mad al davis, in a sane world i say they can't afford to do either. the raiders need some serious upgrades to personnel and tying that much money up for a pair of all-pro corners would not help them. they just aquired d. hall last season for a huge *contract and couldn't cut him if they wanted to. if angie offered similar to what hall got we could still get another premium FA (WR or OT) if we wanted to. our team would immediately be better next season especially if this marinelli is half the dog all claim. a cover corner would give our d-line added time to get to the qb not to mention we would have either tillman or possibly vasher move over to FS. a double win situation get it done ANGELO!!! *A source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the deal is for seven years and worth $70 million. The amount of guaranteed money and bonuses in the contract have not been finalized. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3300199 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 this is the #1 free agent i go for this offseason. since ASHKUM BEAR brought this guys attention to the board i have argued that this is the premier free agent that will help our entire team for the same reasons i argued for charles woodson 3-4 years ago. so angie gets a redo if he is even reasonably smart. asomugha is an unrestricted free agent and the only way the raiders can hope to keep him is either offer him a huge contract or franchise him for BIG money. although it's hard to outguess a quite mad al davis, in a sane world i say they can't afford to do either. the raiders need some serious upgrades to personnel and tying that much money up for a pair of all-pro corners would not help them. they just aquired d. hall last season for a huge *contract and couldn't cut him if they wanted to. if angie offered similar to what hall got we could still get another premium FA (WR or OT) if we wanted to. our team would immediately be better next season especially if this marinelli is half the dog all claim. a cover corner would give our d-line added time to get to the qb not to mention we would have either tillman or possibly vasher move over to FS. a double win situation get it done ANGELO!!! *A source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the deal is for seven years and worth $70 million. The amount of guaranteed money and bonuses in the contract have not been finalized. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3300199 Good for Hall, he gets big contract but there is no way in Hell that he is worth that kind of contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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