BearsFan1974 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/904458-...ill-canton-call I think it's a definite YES!!! The man is amazing. I know his WR skills are lacking, but no one has been better in the return game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/904458-...ill-canton-call I think it's a definite YES!!! The man is amazing. I know his WR skills are lacking, but no one has been better in the return game. I really have a hard time with this. I definitely believe he should go in but the Hall does not recognize special teams players. Ray Guy is not in the Hall. Like they said, only 1 kicker has ever made it. Steve Tasker, who many consider the best ST ever, is not in the Hall. Do I think he should go? Yes. Do I think they will induct him? No idea. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearsFan1974 Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I really have a hard time with this. I definitely believe he should go in but the Hall does not recognize special teams players. Ray Guy is not in the Hall. Like they said, only 1 kicker has ever made it. Steve Tasker, who many consider the best ST ever, is not in the Hall. Do I think he should go? Yes. Do I think they will induct him? No idea. Peace Look what he has done though. Simply amazing. I know you've been a fan for just as long as me, but when have you seen a return man, when you see him out there, makes you sit on the edge of you seat anticipating six? I just think there's no question. The only thing that MIGHT hurt his chances are the WR experiment that's still happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Look what he has done though. Simply amazing. I know you've been a fan for just as long as me, but when have you seen a return man, when you see him out there, makes you sit on the edge of you seat anticipating six? I just think there's no question. The only thing that MIGHT hurt his chances are the WR experiment that's still happening. If it was up to the fans, there would be no question. However, it is not up to us. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selection7 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 They should name it after him like libraries do with presidents...The Deven Hester Pro Football Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I think the argument can be made for him, but like Connor said, it's extremely rare to see a ST player go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearsFan1974 Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 They should name it after him like libraries do with presidents...The Deven Hester Pro Football Hall of Fame. You better watch it befor the spelling police come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selection7 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 You better watch it befor the spelling police come out. Agreed, they probably shouldn't put it all in a big arch over the front entrance with his name spelled wrong. I'll send in the work order revision and hope I'm not too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 If you ask me who has been fortunate enough to watch all of the players whose records he has surpassed and none of those guys are in the hall. If he is able to surpass Rod Woodson and Deon Sanders in total returns, they would be hard pressed not to vote him in. I was totally in the Gayle Sayers camp as the Bears greatest returnman after Hester's rookie year but since then I am totally on board as saying that he is the greatest returner that I have ever seen. My football viewing goes all the way back to 66.The Bears alone have had quite a few guys that could electrify the crowd. Sayers,Cecil Turner, Ron "Gingerbread Man" Smith,Ike Hill, Charley Wade, Willie Gault, Dennis McKinnon,Dennis Gentry,Nate Lewis and Glyn Milbyrn. Besides Sayers all the other guys only had moments with the team. I named all these guys because some of us can remember them. Cecil Turner I believe was the first guy who's record for the team returns went down by Hester. Gingerbread Man Smith never called for a fair catch on punt returns so I believe he is the only guy in my Bears' history not to call for a fair catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I think he'll have to make it over 20 return TD's to make it. Deion still has the record, due to INT and fumble returns. Devin will have to separate from Deion to be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Here's how I look at it: Hester has changed the game. Much like how Lawrence Taylor facilitated the rise of the all-important Left Tackle, Devin Hester has impacted the game in many ways. Never before have I seen so many teams pooch kick on kickoffs (prior to this year) and shank balls out of bounds on punts. Hester caused this. He has single-handedly caused opposing special teams and their coaches to alter how they approach the Bears. He has single-handedly caused opposing head coaches to concede good starting field position for the Bears in exchange for safety. He is already the greatest return man of all time. The comparison to Deion Sanders and Rod Woodson is garbage, because those two guys have INT returns. Sanders has 19: 9 INTs, 6 Punts, 3 KOs, 1 Fumble --- So he actually has 9 ST return TDs Woodson has 17: 12 INTs, 2 Punts, 2 KOs, 1 Fumble --- So he actually has 4 ST return TDs Hester: 13 Receptions for TD, 11 Punts, 5 KOs, 1 Missed FG --- So he actually has 17 ST return TDs. He has more ST return TDs than Sanders and Woodson COMBINED. If we include everything, then it's Hester with 30 total, Sanders with 22, and Woodson with 17. Hall of Fame. Period. To not include him is, much like Devin Hester, ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I think he'll have to make it over 20 return TD's to make it. Deion still has the record, due to INT and fumble returns. Devin will have to separate from Deion to be considered. Deon also had KO and Punt returns also so it is more impressive that Hester is doing his deal on kicks and punts only and Hester is like really close to that total number right now. Then we must also take into account that the HOF is similar to the Pro Bowl voting.With quite a few former Bears able to vote and Deon Sanders stomping for him I like his chances down the road since he is long from being done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I've stated it in earlier threads. Hester is HoF material for sure... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/904458-...ill-canton-call I think it's a definite YES!!! The man is amazing. I know his WR skills are lacking, but no one has been better in the return game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 To put in in some perspective, chicks like the longball. Punters and tacklers don't score. Hester scores. And does so spectacularly. That makes a difference whether it should or not. He literally has a leg up on both Ray and Steve. Who, I also agree, deserve to be elected. I really have a hard time with this. I definitely believe he should go in but the Hall does not recognize special teams players. Ray Guy is not in the Hall. Like they said, only 1 kicker has ever made it. Steve Tasker, who many consider the best ST ever, is not in the Hall. Do I think he should go? Yes. Do I think they will induct him? No idea. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 If Deion can include pick returns, why can't Devin include TD's? While not a huge element, the guy still has made some plays. It's the whole package. Returning A+, receiving C...but it's something. And I agree, he's not done returning! Deon also had KO and Punt returns also so it is more impressive that Hester is doing his deal on kicks and punts only and Hester is like really close to that total number right now. Then we must also take into account that the HOF is similar to the Pro Bowl voting.With quite a few former Bears able to vote and Deon Sanders stomping for him I like his chances down the road since he is long from being done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Are Hester's odd FG miss for a return and super bowl returns counted? Here's how I look at it: Hester has changed the game. Much like how Lawrence Taylor facilitated the rise of the all-important Left Tackle, Devin Hester has impacted the game in many ways. Never before have I seen so many teams pooch kick on kickoffs (prior to this year) and shank balls out of bounds on punts. Hester caused this. He has single-handedly caused opposing special teams and their coaches to alter how they approach the Bears. He has single-handedly caused opposing head coaches to concede good starting field position for the Bears in exchange for safety. He is already the greatest return man of all time. The comparison to Deion Sanders and Rod Woodson is garbage, because those two guys have INT returns. Sanders has 19: 9 INTs, 6 Punts, 3 KOs, 1 Fumble --- So he actually has 9 ST return TDs Woodson has 17: 12 INTs, 2 Punts, 2 KOs, 1 Fumble --- So he actually has 4 ST return TDs Hester: 13 Receptions for TD, 11 Punts, 5 KOs, 1 Missed FG --- So he actually has 17 ST return TDs. He has more ST return TDs than Sanders and Woodson COMBINED. If we include everything, then it's Hester with 30 total, Sanders with 22, and Woodson with 17. Hall of Fame. Period. To not include him is, much like Devin Hester, ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Here's how I look at it: Hester has changed the game. Much like how Lawrence Taylor facilitated the rise of the all-important Left Tackle, Devin Hester has impacted the game in many ways. Never before have I seen so many teams pooch kick on kickoffs (prior to this year) and shank balls out of bounds on punts. Hester caused this. He has single-handedly caused opposing special teams and their coaches to alter how they approach the Bears. He has single-handedly caused opposing head coaches to concede good starting field position for the Bears in exchange for safety. He is already the greatest return man of all time. The comparison to Deion Sanders and Rod Woodson is garbage, because those two guys have INT returns. Sanders has 19: 9 INTs, 6 Punts, 3 KOs, 1 Fumble --- So he actually has 9 ST return TDs Woodson has 17: 12 INTs, 2 Punts, 2 KOs, 1 Fumble --- So he actually has 4 ST return TDs Hester: 13 Receptions for TD, 11 Punts, 5 KOs, 1 Missed FG --- So he actually has 17 ST return TDs. He has more ST return TDs than Sanders and Woodson COMBINED. If we include everything, then it's Hester with 30 total, Sanders with 22, and Woodson with 17. Hall of Fame. Period. To not include him is, much like Devin Hester, ridiculous. As usual you bring it(Truth) and I have to say that could that kickoff rule change have anything to do with Hester?That safety crap is nonsense.Large men running full speed towards each other is going to result in injuries. I believe whoever is on the rules committee proposed this change to directly affect Hester and Cribbs who are currently the 2 most electrifying returners in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearsFan1974 Posted October 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Are Hester's odd FG miss for a return and super bowl returns counted? The FG retyurn counts, the Super Bowl return does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 He's in. Nobody has ever done what he's done in the way he's done it. TD returns is one thing but how many other huge returns does he have? I can't see how receiving hurts him at all. He's proven he's not just a one-trick returner. It's an additional skill and he's good at, not great but good. Lovie did him more damage by talking so much about him being a #1 WR. If he'd set expectations for him to be a KR/PR/#3WR this would never have been an issue. Flip it around and ask the question: How many teams would want Hester as their #3 WR right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I think the argument can be made for him, but like Connor said, it's extremely rare to see a ST player go in. nothing against Tasker. But special teams tackles and what not don't quite match Hester's contributions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 nothing against Tasker. But special teams tackles and what not don't quite match Hester's contributions... I'm just saying the odds aren't in Hester's favor. I think he has the stats do but past voting says it's very hard to get in the HOF if you're a ST player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The odds have never seen a player of Hester's caliber before... I'm just saying the odds aren't in Hester's favor. I think he has the stats do but past voting says it's very hard to get in the HOF if you're a ST player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The odds have never seen a player of Hester's caliber before... And for that reason, we can only go off of past HOF inductions. If you are a ST player predominently, then you're going to have a hard time. Period. I said I think he should be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The odds have never seen a player of Hester's caliber before... I think he doesn't just need to be at a level above everyone else...he needs to do it for longer than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Sayers didn't have to do that. What Hester has accomplished even at this point is simply amazing. I think he doesn't just need to be at a level above everyone else...he needs to do it for longer than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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