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I would say the Rams are too high at #7 for a 10-win team, CIN is too high at #10 for a 9-win team, and SF is too high for a 6-win team. The Rams essentially swapped Kupp for Adams, so why they are a top 10 team, who knows. I have no idea what CIN did to move up, they literally did nothing this offseason and missed the playoffs last season. SF is a 6-win team until they prove they aren't. They don't have Samuel or Mason, and McCaffrey has missed a total of 37 games out of 84 since 2020, 44%, not including the games he got hurt in and left.

Here were the non-playoff NFC teams from last season: 15. SF 6-11 16. SEA 10-7 18. ATL 8-9 19. DAL 7-10 21. CHI 5-12 22. ARZ 8-9 27. CAR 5-12 28. NO 5-12 32. NYG 3-14 They normally don't move teams more than 1 or 2 spots but I would figure the Bears should be in the 17-19 range based on 2025 projections.

It's all about Caleb. After that, I believe we are going to see a physicality that we haven't under the Flus years. In listening to Jurko talk about going to one of the Bears "full contact" practices today, I was completely dumbfounded. He reported that it was the least physical, full contact, practice he had ever witnessed and it wasn't even close. You can replay him on the app to hear how adamant he was. Thayer has mentioned the same and had also commented on poor weight room work habits. Johnson has all but guaranteed, that shit ain't happening. Guys are gonna get physical or get out. My expectation from day one is that we are gonna see that in the first pre-season game. Will this make the OL better? Hell yes it will. Same with DL. This year is not about additions and subtractions, it's all about a new mindset. Back to Caleb. We'll know by week 4 if the light is bright. If bright, we win ten games and are playoff bound. If the light is mid, we win eight. A ten win season puts us in the window for 2026. An eight win season gets us looking for a QB again.

Exactly. There are many reasons for optimism with this roster, coaching staff and QB. But the Bears have "won the offseason" before. You do that by changing radically, which, frankly, good teams dont have to do! If I had to bet, Id bet on us becoming really good this year. Im not pessimistic about it at ALL. But the Yankees, and former Redskins and Raiders have taught us that you can assemble a fantastic roster and still fail to gel into a champion. I have faith in Johnson and his staff to get the most out of these guys. There is every reason to believe greatness is coming. But like you, I need to see it on the field. I won't be surprised at all when it comes, but I can't be upset about a power ranking before we do anything on the field. It's about right. Could it be top 10 or top 5 by the end of the year? SURE it could. And Id think ending, say 7th, is more likely than ending 21st. But you're right - you gotta show it to me - I look forward to seeing it!

Until we see the oline product at a better rate and more important the QB take a meaningful step forward - I'm in a show me don't tell me state with the franhcise. I think the camp will be the most competitive camp in a decade plus and that should drive to good things, but none of it matters if Caleb can't figure out how to get the ball out faster more consistently, do a better job at pre-read/blitz protection, and be more accurate and in rhythm (reality is more accurate but I think his lack of accuracy last year, especially on deep balls was because he was forcing things). But bottom line - he's got to take a meaningful step forward because the defense while decent has its weakness(es). But I am optimistic as to how we are trending and I think it is a deep and diverse set of skill players, an improved oline, and a better coaching staff (on paper). But you can have all of the right ingredients, if the chef doesn't get it right, none of it works...in this case I think of Caleb as the chef. He's shown he can make masterpieces in college - now lets see him really take the next step at the NFL level and show that he can be a "Michelin star" QB.

for sure. And this is why I didnt like Omarion Hampton too. The guy cant cut without that extra step. When you can get going downhill fast, and still make cuts without losing forward momentum, and if you have vision, that's gonna be a good outcome.

My god you are an idiot. Your dimestore psychology, your ridiculous evaluations of players simply because they are on the roster. You've literally been wrong about EVERYTHING we've disagreed about for YEARS. And you turn that into me being arrogant that i always think im right. But thats not it - its just how OFTEN you are wrong. I dont have this issue with any other member of this board. We all say things that are right sometimes and wrong sometimes. We do it in mutual respect. I learn a ton from the other members of this board. But you are just baffling how incredibly stupid you are. And its not about me. It really isnt. So you can keep saying your ridiculous theories etc, but your analysis of my personality is on par with your analysis of the players - COMPLETELY whacked. When you posted to Adam that wasnt a private conversation, it was part of the thread. It's OK for anyone to comment on it. Its OK for us to have opinions that arent the same as the pundits you read. It's OK for us to know that PFF is nonsense. And this wave of psychological analysis is just cringe. TO BE CLEAR - I do not think Im smarter than everyone, I just think youre incredibly dumb. So just being just regular, Im smarter than you. But thats not ego - its a low bar Im claiming. How's that for analysis? Dont like it? Then keep your analysis of me to yourself ya moron. P.S. Im not even mad. I'm just out of patience for your endless nonsense.

What catches my eye is the quicker cuts Monangai can make versus the two step change of direction we see with Roschon.

You just see what you want to see and never understand my points. You turn them into your thought process. Its not even worth discussing things other than football with you. I wont make that mistake again. Actual this started with a comment I made about Adam, and you have to jump in with your negative opinion on my point. Some things are just beyond your understanding.

These are just someones opinion. If you're close to the Bears you see weaknesses being fixed. Last year almost everyone predicted us to do much better than we did. Now they are being reserved on their predictions to not look bad.

Didnt know where to stick this but interesting take on stuff.

They have the Bears at 21 so still bottom third. I hope we surprise a lot of people this year.

total BS. You cannot boil every person down into a negative person or a positive person. You are saying every opinion they have isnt authentic, it's just in harmony with this incredibly oversimplified world view. This is not taught in psychology. Also, the reason i didnt like Fields isnt because i have a negative personality, its because I could clearly see that he sucked. And time has proven that out too. Im surprised youre still trying to argue this. But no, it is not that everything everyone says is a fake opportunity to prove their worldview was right. Instead, people look at facts, and make opinions about those facts. So you have it backwards. I am not a negative person who was looking for evidence to hate of Fields. I am a football fan who could see that despite the stats, Fields sucked. Fields sucking came first, then my opinion came after that. Do you remember when you didnt like Caleb, and I was telling everyone he was gonna be great? Was that because Im a positive person who only sees the good, and you were a negative person who only sees the bad? Your theory here is a self serving one meant to dismiss the substance of any of our opinions and instead attribute them to some deep binary choice that we are either positive or negative people. It's ridiculous, and insulting, and more than that it's really wrong. if your psychology classes taught you that you can neatly put every human into an overgeneralized box like that, then you got ripped off. Every day i make both positive and negative comments in here. Like everyone, I am a fully dimensional person with all kinds of thoughts. Your amateur psychological evaluation is nonsense.

Odunze's 1,640 Receiving Yards in 2023 are still the most by a WR for a single season over the last 3 years in the NCAA, and you would have to go back to DeVonta Smith's 1,854 in 2020 to find a better season from a major conference player. So I would not be surprised if he is a top 20 WR this year with over 1K receiving yards.

With Watson out with an ACL, Golden basically replaces him, so it is pretty close to a wash considering Golden is a rookie. I still have my doubts that Golden will even be that good, or better than any of the other WRs they already have. His best season in college he had 58 receptions and 987 receiving yards, but if you didn't know any better, it really is hard to tell him apart from other average college WRs. Here is a quick comp: Pat Bryant (ILL) - 54-984-10 (12 games) Matthew Golden (TEX)- 58-987-9 (16 games) Bryant was a 3rd Round pick.

I looked it all up myself. I was trying to see how good the 3rd-6th pass catching options were on those teams. Did they just have 1-2 elite receivers, than average players, or just a bunch of average guys but with a lot of depth. What I found is that the Bears technically have the deepest pass receiving group with 40+ reception potential I could find, ever. That's if Moore, Odunze, Burden, Kmet, Loveland, and Swift all catch 40 balls. That would be a first as far as I can tell, still going back in time. For the rushing info: In 2022, KC won the SB, went 14-3, had the #1 offense, but their leading rusher was Pacheco with only 830 yds rushing. In total, the team had 1,970 yards rushing between Pacheco, Mahomes, Edwards-Helaire, and McKinnon. In 2021, LAC had Ekeler with 911 yds as their leading rusher; as a team they had 1,834 rushing yards. In 2021, TB had Fournette with 812 rushing yards, and the team had 1,672 rushing yards. Then in 2019, TB had Ronald Jones as their lead back with 724 yards, and the team had 1,521 rushing yards. So the range of rushing yards for 5K Passer Teams was as low as 1,521 with Winston in 2019 to 1,970 with Mahomes in 2022. In comparison, the Bears had 1,734 in 2024, which is basically the median between the high and lows from the listed teams with a terrible O-Line and offensive scheme.

Great post to look at with the possiblity of that happening in the next few yrs. Where did you find that , I would like to know how much of a running game they had those yrs. In 2022 KC had almost 2000 yds rushing

i was traveling so I never responded to this. there is absolutely positive and negative aspects to human nature that everyone leans one way or the other. That is where the half glass empty / half full analogy came from. ;By the way it is always changing according to how we deal with life. Its not a true statement constantly. I plumbed for 50 yrs but went to school to be a therapist and took enough sociology courses to know what that is . Example: I remember whe Fields had that game where he had 16 consecative complitations and people were talking about it and your comment was ( that was good but he wasnt hitting his first read very often_) that quote is not exact but something like that . Everyone was liking it and that's what you come up with because you didnt like him and was looking for something to say negative. The only reason I remember it because it was an odd thing to say after throwing 16 in a row and looking like he could be our QB of the future.

I was curious to see who the last few 5K Passing Teams had for skill position receivers, and how those groups compare to what the Bears have on paper right now. Outside of the super high-end All-Pro seasons for Kelce and Godwin, the other numbers for the rest of the players were not as high as I expected. Going into 2025, the Bears 5th best pass-catching option is Swift or Kmet, so the lesser of the two is the Bears 6th-best pass-catching option. That is unprecedented, even comparing the Bears 2025 projections with some of the best passing offenses of recent history. So there is a good chance that the projections I posted are actually on the low side. One other interesting note, none of the 4 teams listed here had a 1K Rushing RB that season. 5K seems absurd considering the Bears have yet to have a 4K passer, but I really think the 4500 projected is very realistic considering the amount of playmakers the Bears have as pass catchers, the improved O-Line, and Johnson's system. Take a look at let me know what you think. KC 2022 Smith-Schuster 78-933-3 Valdes-Scantling 32-687-2 Hardman 25-297-4 Moore 22-250-0 Watson 15-315-2 Toney 13-171-2 WR 185-2653 Kelce 110-1338-12 Gray 28-299-1 TE 138-1637 McKinnon 56-512-9 Edwards-Helaire 17-151-3 RB 73-663 LAC 2021 Allen 106-1138-6 Williams 76-1146-9 Palmer 33-353-4 Guyton 31-448-3 WR 246-3085 Cook 48-564-4 Parham 20-190-3 Anderson 16-165-1 TE 84-919 Ekeler 70-647-8 Jackson 22-178-0 RB 92-825 TB 2021 Godwin 98-1103-5 Evans 74-1035-14 Brown 42-545-4 Johnson 36-360-0 Perriman 11-167-1 WR 261-3210 Gronkowski 55-802-6 Brate 30-245-4 Howard 14-135-1 TE 99-1182 Fournette 69-454-2 Bernard 23-123-3 RB 92-577 TB 2019 Godwin 86-1333-9 Evans 67-1157-8 Perriman 36-645-6 Watson 15-159-2 Miller 13-200-1 WR 217-3494 Brate 36-311-4 Howard 34-459-1 TE 70-770 Ogunbowale 35-286-0 Jones 31-309-0 Barber 16-115-1 RB 82-710 Best Single Receiver: Kelce 110-1338-12 Best 2nd Option: Williams 76-1146-9 Best 3rd Option: Ekeler 70-647-8 Best 4th Option: Gronkowski 55-802-6 or Fournette 69-454-2 Best 5th option: Brown 42-545-4 Best WR Group: 2019 TB WR 217-3494-26 (Godwin, Evans, Perriman) Best TE Group: 2022 KC TE 138-1637-13 (Kelce, Gray) Best RB Group: 2021 LAC RB 92-825-8 (Ekeler, Jackson)

This is our most dangerous offense -EVER DJ Moore is one of the best WRs in the league. I think over his career he is ranked 9th among current players. Last year 9th in receptions 9th in targets 26th in yardage 28th in TDS this was on a dysfuntanal offense with a rookie QB. In 2023 2nd team all pro. Rome Odunze is a second year player with pro bowl potenial Cole Kmet is the 9th TE in the league 28th in targets 22nd in catches 25th in recieving yards 13th in TDs on a dyfunctional offense with a rookie QB CBS has him ranked 9th after a poor staticical season. Colston Loveland is the top receiving TE in the draft. Compared to Sam LaPorta that is ranked 3rd in the league Luther Burden was the best YAC WR in this draft. Compared to Odell Becum Jr. DeAndre Swift made the Pro Bowl in 2023 while playing for Philly , a bad OL affected his play , terrible play calling, a rookie QB

It takes 3 yrs to judge drafts as most speak of so we look at 2022 to see how the draft worked out. Here are every OT drafted in 2022 up to pick 168. The best LTs in the draft were Charles Cross at 10 ( ranked 11th) Bernard Raimann at 77 (ranked 4th) Braxton Jones at 168( ranked 20th. ) At 6) Carolina took Ikem Ekwonu . He is a good run blocker but not good as pass blocking. PFF grade Ranked 38th out of 140 Ts- PBG 65th-RBG 11th. 909 snaps 12 penalties 7 sacks At 7) Giants took Evan Neal . Overall 73th- PBG 111th-RBG 9th 459 snaps 6 penalites 2 sacks Hes playing RT At 10 )Charles Cross. Overall 11th- PBG 15th -RBG 16th 1094 snaps 8 penalities 6 sacks At 15) Kenyon Green playing LG At 19) Trevon Penning ranked 75th 1081 snaps 13 penalites 5 sacks playing RT At 24) Tyler Smith playing guard At 57 ) Luke Goedeke ranked 30th 905 snaps 10 penalties 3 sacks playing RT At 67) Joshua Ezeudu plays guard 10 starts in 33 games. At 69) Nicholas Petit-Frere playing RT ranked 122th 621 snaps 10 penalites 10 sacks At 72) Abraham Lucas plays RT ranked 60th 406 snaps 6 penalites 4 sacks At 77) Bernard Raimann LT ranked 8th 856 snaps 6 penalites 4 sacks At 110 ) Daniel Faalele playing RG At 111) Max Mitchell backup At 140) Zack Tom plays RT raked 4th 1068 snaps 7 penalites 3 sacks At 145) Darian Kinnard backup now playing guard At 168) BRAXTON JONES plays LT ranked 20th 719 snaps 7 penalites 5 sacks PFF rates every play but you can hold judgement on how good they are but at least they give you a complete set of stats to compare players to. Easy to say LTs drafted high give you your best chances at good players. It wasnt a good example in 2022. It was considered a good year for Ts with 3 being drafted in the top 10. So what can you get out of this these results from 2022? Instead of putting our draft results somewhere else: we didnt have a first round draft took Kyler Gordon at 39) I dont anyone would say this was not a good pick took Brisker at 48 ) started 35 of 51 games. Injuries robbed him of 12 games this year. You would say that was a successful draft pick as he has a high end ceiling . Injuries are a question but you didnt know that in 2022 took Velus Jones at 71) Poles as a first year GM was getting flack for not having enough WR help for Justin Fields and I believed he reached for Jones because of his speed. Big failure No 4th round pick at 168) took Braxton Jones this was a absoulute great pick started from day 1 At 174) Dominick Robinson , he is still around but was a failed pick as of 5/5 2025 At 186) Zacharey Thomas he got stolen off our PS but never amounted to anything At 203) Testan Ebner not in the league anymore At 207) Doug Kramer still on the roster backup At 226) Ja'Tyre Carter not in the league anymore At 224) Eligah Hicks a vaulable backup with 15 game starts At 225) Tenton Gill was our punter for 3 yrs. V Jones was a clear failure otherwise this was a successful first year draft for Poles. If I remember we had 6 picks and he turned them into 11 .

Right. What's done is done. I can put an asterix on Pole's handling of the draft board, but we have a nicegroup of players. And honestly if Trapilo turns out great, then I'm gonna give Poles an A for the draft anyway. He definitely got an A in free agency. Now it's time to develop those players and see what weve got!

Every single draft I am like what? We do so many mocks that we have our wants embedded. I hope Banks becomes a great LT because we seen his game and knew he might be our last shot at drafting a high end LT. As for RB, I can hold off a year for that guy since we paid Swift and have some guys that could surprise. I watched a Hyppolite interview and think this guy will do what it takes to be great. I cannot wait to see him take a spot.

getting guys open and then finding them quick is absolutely the name of the game, and Johnson is a genius at it. We have as good a shot of putting together a truly dangerous offense as we have had in many many years. This WR/TE room is now better than Marshall, Jeffries and Bennett. And Odunze is gonna surprise a LOT of people. We did not see him used properly last year. I think he might be our leading receiver for yards this year.

I agree. The list of players is great. The number of players is great. The positional consideration is good but not great. I cant say which is better. That's subjective, and theoretically they should be about the same value. Had we reached for more positional concerns, we would have lost overall draft value, but gained in other ways. So Im not saying it's bad, just pointing out how it would look best on a draft value / number of players measure like the list above, and the score doesnt represent any positional issues. So Im not surprised we scored high on that list, given the way we went about things, we maximized what the list is measuring. Also, I agree about Ersery and Trapilo, he can come in and make us forget all about it if he is great. I was thinking more about getting scooped on the later HBs, like KJ and Skatebo? But like Trapilo, just because a guy wasnt as heavily scouted, especially by me!, doesnt mean the Bears didnt find a gem who will outperform the names i was expecting. But i think Poles wanted some of those names too, and got outmaneuvered.