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I wish all the members lived in the same city so we could sit in the bar and argue, then buy each other a beer. Like the good old days before the internet.

I'll remember when I describe an opinion of yours, as simplistic and childish, it's a football term and not personal. This has nothing to do about DJ's feelings it's about disagreeing with the quitter label. You always take it somewhere it never was. Trading for assets and cap space is a different conversation than a player over seeing him as a quitter. You always try to mix conversations. You are always the player that punched first and then played innocent when the other guy punches back. This is a football analogy you will understand.

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Never heard the term ( slurping his jock) before. We must have grown up in a different culture. You are correct, I brought it over here after you mentioned trading DJ,. I didn't blame anybody was just trying to move back to the post topic.

Im saying the IDEA of worrying about a players feelings and being a fan boy is childish and stupid. That the real decisions are hard and are about money and production. Thats football. The idea that what we write here affects GMs desire to trade for DJ Moore for example is dumb. That IDEA is dumb. If we cant say that, then we cant say anything. Im talking about football, youre trying to keep this fight alive AGAIN. You are not DJ Moore, so when I say he takes plays off, that is allowed on a Bears board. DJ doesnt need you to emotionally protect him. and LOL at derogatory language. dont be such a baby. simplistic and childish are descriptors. They are words with meaning and they convey my opinion. Someone needs to tell YOU to cut it out.

Hundreds of pundits doing Bear material these days. The two opinions I respect the most are Olin kruetz and Dave Wannsted. Not JT get me clicks Sullivan. It's okay to have different opinions , what happened with just saying, I disagree.

I apologize, you meant a compliment with the statement ( simplistic and childish ways). No one is falling for the poor me anymore , by mentioning ( whipping boy) you were responding to my post. If you would refrain from using derogatory language, this would never happen.

Hey Lucky, we are not alone.

It was one example of DJ Moore giving a half effort among many. It's not that former NFL QB JT OSullivan (QB School on youtube) is the ultimate authority, its just that he rightly showed DJ phoning it in. There are many examples of it. I dont understand why people get so stuck on players and dont want to improve the roster with better players.

JT who? 😏 For what it’s worth (coming from him not much) but he also lumped Odunze’s lax effort for that same play.

Its time to rebuild the defense. Last year the plan was clearly to stock the offense and get it going. Dont be shocked if there are wholesale changes to this defense. We are slow and built for Cover 2, and we have no pass rush. We will look a lot different next year. Last year at this time you said two new starters on the OL (I said four). You were saying how Tevin Jenkins and Braxton Jones would play better. By now, everyone knows your loyalty to players on the roster. But the guys who arent Ben Johnson guys, not Dennis Allens guys, the ones that got drafted under Eberflus are all under the microscope. And i think there is gonna be a lot more roster turnover than people expect.

Its not a bad idea for a thread. I see how the dots line up, why it is an idea. But I think if we are considering letting DJ go because of his attitude and commitment, then we shouldnt take on another one with issues. One of the benefits of moving on from DJ would be a strong message to every player that they are replaceable if they dont keep a high standard of play. I wouldnt lose that for a WR3 at best? Also, to be fair, I've been one to argue that we need to trade Moore, and for me I saw it as keep him as he is, or trade him decision. The TTNL guys last night were talking about restructuring options that I thought made a lot of sense and might be a third way if we choose to keep him. I still think we're better off with a 3rd round pick than to restructure and keep him, but I wanted to say that the all or nothing way I was looking at his contract isn't the entire picture. I didnt think there were realistic options that gave so much cap relief. Anyway, here's the TTNL link If you dont want to watch the whole thing, fast forward to 36:25 for the cap section. Watch for at least 7 minutes to get to $64M in cap space. It's the kind of analysis you really dont get anywhere else, and its really smart and informed. It's never narrative driven, and these guys really know what theyre talking about.

someone please explain to him, that i didnt say anything fighty at all. Please. This is exactly how it all happened last time. You all saw my reaction, but you never noticed the months building up to it. Hes also fighting with other members right now too. All this to say, please dont blame me, Im avoiding all of that as much as possible.

Sticking with the theme of reading body language etc and correlating that to which side of the ball needs more attention, I’d agree it’s the D. I think several here will agree that Jaylon Johnson has not been the player we saw that one year he signed for a big deal. He’s essentially a body filling the roster at this point. And aside from the one takeaway earlier this year, what has Stevenson done for us lately? You wanna talk about taking plays off? I’m sure we all clearly remember his infamous lolly gag moment while Washington stole a victory away from us last year. Never mind the lack of pass rush from our front 7. These two guys alone haven’t done much this year despite the new regime and attitude adjustment our team has adopted. Id say the offense is overall good for now. The focus really needs to be on the defense as a whole.

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My boy Jurko is Croatian. So is Bill Belichick.

This is hilarious. Nobody said anything bad about DJ until you started slurping his jock. Yes, this is about #25 and I mentioned trading DJ for someone if we can't get What we need at 25. You made it a fanboy post. Now you want to blame others for hijacking it. My opinion of DJ was in another post and you drug it over. I'm not taking the heat for you not understanding how English composition works.

I didn't know where to stick this. I have seen some people ( not on here) wanting to badmouth the bears for moving without having the debt paid off on Soldiers field. This clears that up.

Lucky you do a good job of explaining your thoughts but let me clear this up. I think DJ is a valuable member of the team, you don't have to but it comes down to, it's about what the bears want to do. If it works out, they value the cap space and a third round pick better, I'm all in . It doesn't mean I have to agree with someone else's opinion on a quitter label. For everyone that doesn't like the term, whipping boy, take that up with Olin kruetz, those are his words. I follow him on X , I would love to see his reaction.

We are going to have some new coaches because teams want the BJ tree and already starting this year. I trust them to replace assistants. I watched a lot of podcasts yesterday, someone mentioned, Adam Hoge, that instead of putting Theo back at LT he moved Thuney there. Clearly showing how valuable he thinks that is. I think it will be BPA available between LT and DT. We will draft a LT in the few couple of picks. Poles is not stupid he's going to get what BJ wants. This will be a defensive draft overall but also a LT.

Yes and I’m very curious who we draft this year. Last year went well with a better coaching staff. Can we repeat in year two?

The NFL and NBA has a majority of black players not because of race but because they are the best at what they do. I wish society would use that metric when applying to anything. I never complain because they're not a lot of Croatians in the NFL , I'm okay with it.

This thread is #25 and we are talking about DJ? You always make good points instead of arguing about a player value. The bear's could care less what we as fans think about DJ. Their opinion is all that matters.

Olin kruetz used the term whipping boy, I just repeated it. If you don't like the comment, @olin_kruetz is his Twitter account. Let's keep this simple, it's okay to find value in a player you may not like. Im not here to discuss DJ's flaws. All we have are opinions until the bears choose what to do. Then we can say I was right or you were right about a player. That actually doesn't matter to me. Because he is being paid the most on the team is what generates about what to do with him. If BA doesn't want him here and wants him traded, I'm all in. I trust BJs opinions over fan opinions. If he thinks Walker will be a plus wide out, get us assets and cap space. We are winning now. Rome was hurt a lot this year, Burden had some games off, depth mattered and I would say without DJ we might have lost a couple of those games and not made the playoffs. Find a trade partner, get a replacement, it's just not as easy as playing FF. I'm no longer arguing with you over using words like ( simplistic and childish ways) . Why you want to fight all the time?

In the past we were always rebuilding the team at this time because we were losers, that is gone now. The bear's are now a playoff contender and I don't think it's rebuild mode but tweek time. I don't see them doing several major moves. One big surprise and I think we all see Edmunds gone.