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Yes, I agree. However, I was also upset that the Poles didn't select Kaleb Johnson in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft when he was still available, before he eventually went to Pittsburgh. I just checked. Kaleb has undoubtedly had a rough start. 2 carries total for two games for -1 yd, and muffed a Kick Return that gave SEA a TD. I'd make a lousy GM. LOL

Touché, my friend.

Another one of my "Senior" moments. You're right. Then we'd have to assume Poles would have signed him regardless of the Thuney acquisition.

I agree, 100%. It seems the schedule makers always deal the Bears a shitty hand. We need to take advantage of the next seven games and get our game in order so that we can finish the remainder of a brutal second-half slate of games strong.

I'm sure you meant Poles initially brought him in as LG, not LT. That being said, I agree. He would have been a solid addition as a LG, his more natural position. I can't blame Poles for grabbing Thuney when he became available. However, that forces Jonah to RG. If Thuney had signed first, would Poles have signed Jonah as a RG at the same price tag, or would he have chosen to take a pass? A question that we will likely never know the answer to.

Thanks, Adam. I love this thread and hope you continue comparing the 2nd-year QBs as the season advances. It will be interesting to see the progress, or regression, of each of them throughout the season.

A voice of reason. Thanks for the post. Long before the season began, BJ was asked about the development of the OL. He said it would take time for them to adapt to his complex blocking schemes, which were called for in many of his plays. When pressed further, he said to expect it to take (if I remember correctly) a minimum of 6 to 8 weeks for the OL to become a cohesive force. I didn't want to believe it would take that long. Ooops. BJ's offense is complex, and he warned us that it would take time for the players to fully digest the schemes to the point of playing at full speed without hesitation to recall their assignments. To just let it rip without hesitation. Even his former players in Detroit came out and said that Bear fans should be patient, as it would take time for the offense to learn his complex system. I didn't want to believe it would take that long. Ooops. BJ warned us that although Caleb was showing improvement, it would take time to correct all of his major flaws and his growth would be a bit of a rollercoaster ride as the season progressed. I didn't want to believe it would take that long. Ooops. We have to remember, back in 2022, Detroit started the season 1-6 in BJ's first year as OC. They finished the year 9-7. It took time for their offensive players to grasp and execute his playbook. As far as defense. D. Allen is put in a hell of a spot. Our CB room is a mess with injuries. Booker will not be back until after the bye. Turner missed time to develop during the summer because of an injury. Garret is playing less than 100%. Allen's defense is very complex and challenging for players to learn. We were told it would take time. It seemed, at times, that it was progressing rapidly, but now the injuries have thrown everything off course. So for me, my primary concern is how DA will turn our D around. I'm disappointed, like many of you. Still, I also blame myself for having unrealistic expectations of the players to adjust to two systems, O & D, that have been described as complex and requiring time for players to fully execute.

You're right. Many of us criticized Davis for his extended absence without realizing his mom was dying. I should be patient and wait to learn the truth. Let's hope he can return soon.

I agree, it's looking more and more like a wasted pick. I had high hopes for him and wanted to see how he would develop, but I cannot for the life of me understand what could cause him to miss this much time.

I think it was Ashkum Bear who mentioned the deciding factor would be pass pro, and I agree. BJ has mentioned the importance of the running game to set up play action. However, he has also been quoted as saying the most critical skill set he wants in his starting OLT is Pass Pro. So I ask: Which player, starting at left tackle, can provide the best protection for Caleb? Which OLT can, if necessary, operate on an island and keep Caleb from having to escape the pocket to keep from being sacked? For the sake of this discussion point, forget about everything except Pass Pro. IMO, that player will be the starter. For the record, I love Ozzy and think he will eventually be a very good OLT. But that aside, I'm worried about Caleb's Pass Pro on MNF against MIN.

Good Grief. I did not take personal shots at you. In so many words, I said that I totally disagree with you and that it would be foolish to try to convince you that you were wrong in your assessment. You need to stop taking everything I say personal.

I could give a damn good rebuttal to every point you made, but it would be useless. According to you, anything that goes wrong is the fault of coaching. I expected that because you had made up your mind before the season even began that Flus sucks and should have been replaced. IMHO, that is **** But again, it would be a waste of my time to try to convince you otherwise. It's one of those things where we will have to accept "irreconcilable differences" 😉

Coaches Coach, Players Play. I see no reason to blame the coaches., coordinators, Flus, or Poles. Caleb was 10/24 for 131 yds. Not good!!! If he hadn't missed so many easy throws, WAS would not have had a chance to win with a hail Mary. Daniels was 21/38 for 326 yds. He showed he can see the entire field, throw deep, and play ball even when in pain. Very impressive. And I am 100% positive our Flus & Williams did not instruct their defensive backs to line up on the 5-yard line and play volleyball. .

UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not on Flus. Not on Waldron. Caleb needs to be able to hit wide-open receivers. I counted 3 really simple throws he missed in the first quarter. Daniels, despite being in obvious pain, is so far the superior performer on the field today. Let's hope Caleb can turn things around.

I'm more interested in seeing what our defense can do against one of the top-scoring offenses in the league. Washington's defense sucks. If we cannot continue to show growth against their putrid D, we are nowhere near the team I was expecting coming out of the bye-week.

The way he was playing, the Browns might improve with his absence from the starting lineup. Talk about a bad investment! I was shocked when they gave up so much to get this guy and then paid him a huge contract.

The way I see it, (without having to watch all-22 tapes multiple times), Maye has thrown 5 TDs in his first two games, some against prevent defenses, with a group of WRs that would have trouble making our starting lineup. What is his future? Hell, no one knows. Too early to tell. He certainly will not be as good as Caleb. But I am not going to discount his success to date. Hell, 5 TDs in his first two games with inferior support. How many TDs did Caleb throw in his first two games with an all-star lineup of WRs?

On the Prime pregame broadcast of TNF, they said that Caleb Williams is the first quarterback picked #1 in the draft to win four out of his first six games since 1967 (the year I graduated from high school, LOL). By that I am assuming Caleb is the only #1 QB selected in the modern era after the merger of the AFL & NFL to achieve that distinction. How cool is that!

Sportsmockery.com has an article about a possible trade scenario for Poles to exploit. It is suggesting we trade for JAX OG Brandon Scherff. Evern, though he is 32, is still a considerable upgrade for us and has a year left on his contract after 2024. I'm unsure if I am all-in on this idea, but an upgrade for our OL & DL, if cheap, would be ideal. (Cheap being the optimal word. I DO NOT want to give up any of our 3 picks in the 1st & 2nd rounds.)

Wilson has had his share of injury issues lately. I suspect that even if given the starting gig, he will miss more time before the season is over.

Take it easy Mongo. Sorry to hear about your accident. I just saw a slo-mo closeup of Hutch's injury. It's nasty. It's very low on his chin, my guess six to eight inches or so above the ankle. My guess is that he might make it back, but it's a 50/50 call. s

I believe Caleb heard you! 😉

Make that 3 TDs! AWESOME!!!!!!!!

It was a bad INT, but he certainly made up for it with excellent runs and two passing TDs!