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How far are the Bears away from being a legit SB contender?
ASHKUM BEAR replied to McGowan's topic in Bearstalk
I've also pointed this out before. It'll all depend on what Davis will command for a new contract. They may be better off with a draft pick that'll cost less most likely and possibly get the same production. -
How far are the Bears away from being a legit SB contender?
ASHKUM BEAR replied to McGowan's topic in Bearstalk
This was more of a mock to go with Jason's theme of boosting the offense. Cliff Harris at CB was a pretty good cover/man corner but has had behavior issues. Kind of the same with Travis Lewis who's attitude got a little ahead of him, but both are top prospects. WR Depth chart: D Bowe/V Jackson Earl Bennett Devin Hester Dwight Jones Jordan White/Dane Sanzenbacher -
How far are the Bears away from being a legit SB contender?
ASHKUM BEAR replied to McGowan's topic in Bearstalk
Jason, I've always agreed with most of your thinking. I would like to see a draft a little more like this and FA with WR DBowe/VJackson, C Avril DE. RD1 Mike Adams OLT RD2 Dwight Jones WR RD3 Travis Lewis OLB RD3 Orson Charles TE RD4 Jordan White WR RD5 Cliff Harris CB RD6 Vick Ballard RB RD7 Jacquies Smith DE -
First off, the only RB the Bears have under contract is Marion Barber. So i would think he will be back, unless we sign both Forte and Bell to long term deals. I don't think they will be looking to cut him w/o some type of long term bodies at the position. edit: But I like LaMichael James and think he would be a decent pick
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Garza was partially extended because he was under paid for many years and the Bears kept their word on giving him his due pay. I don't see a first RD center either helping this team, but if Brewster was there with one of the 3rd's I'd think the Bears would consider.
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Jason, you would probably like draftteks first 3 picks for the Lions: RD1 Mike Adams OLT RD2 Cordy Glenn G RD3 Mike Brewster C
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Not bad, I would have Floyd at #3. Mike Adams reminds me of Carimi since he would be better at RT in the NFL.
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He's only a lead b/c he has Chicago Bear connections. He worked for the Bears from 94-98. I'm not sure how I feel about him yet compared to Ross or Raye. Them two organizations impressed me, Chiefs....meh
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I hope Floyd is there, that would be sweet. Hate to say it, but the Decastenator wouldn't be bad either, only if the Floyd is gone like he mocked it. I know we need LT, but there's not much in this draft to choose from.
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No way they go with Ruskell, they are just doing him a favor by putting him through the process. Ross or Raye are the front runners, with IMO Raye with a slight lead. I can see coaches not wanting to come to Chicago b/c they have no idea how long the GM will keep the staff intact, but a GM is different and one of these guys would be honored to take that position over a director of college personnel or player personnal
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Jerome Simpson just got indicted on drug charges today per ProFootballTalk.
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almost new offensive line coach bostad stays in pitt
ASHKUM BEAR replied to flea's topic in Bearstalk
I have a feeling Mike Tice has a good connectioin with the Wis program as he new Carimi and seemed to work with him at times. Great hire IMO! -
We first have to sign Kellen Davis since he's a FA. I think the Bears will weigh the options, Kellen Davis on one hand or Fred Davis/Jermichael Finley on the other. I would like to keep Kellen since he was drafted and has shown some flashes, but I would hope if the money is right we bring in the best talent.
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I was looking for the "LIKE" button but cannot find it??? Great to get him back, one day we won't be so fortunate!
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Thank you Stinger, that's all this was meant to show. Resign Forte, Barber stays, and put Hester in the mix to get 10-15 touchs/plays game. Watch what he can do on draws, screens, coming out on the flats, pitches or motion him out wide or to the slot. Most plays he still be more of a recieving option that a running one, but who is gonna cover him a LB or S. If we bring in two WR's this offseason, they can give this a try.
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QB Jay Cutler 2014 Nate Enderle 2015 Josh McCown FA Caleb Haine FA The Bears will need to address the #2 QB this offseason. Josh McCown earned a good look, but the Bears will continue to explore other options. Kyle Orton is linked to wanting to come back to Chicago, the place he calls home. David Garrard and Tice were together in Jax, so I'll throw him out there as well Draft Pick-highly unlikely this year, the Bears need to put effort in Enderle and need a capable #2 RB Matt Forte FA Marion Barber 2013 Tyler Clutts 2014 Armando Allen "undisclosed" Kahlil Bell RFA The Bears RB is not in a good situation. This might be another undisclosed strike on JA we haven't heard about. Forte will likely get the Franchise tag or get signed through 2015 Kahlil Bell being RFA, the Bears might be forced to get him signed soon to lock up a stable of RB's Draft Pick-depending on which way they choose to go, either they resign Bell or draft a RD 4 or 5 RD RB. Barber stays fellows, we are too thin to punish him for letting the team get Tebowed. WR Earl Bennett 2015 Devin Hester 2014 Johnny Knox 2013 Dane Sanzenbacher 2014 RFA Roy Williams FA Depending on the health/come back of Johnny Knox, the Bears will need to add 1 or 2 players to the mix. Sanzenbacher undrafted makes almost as much as Knox believe it or not. He will probably be back Knox I have a bad feeling the Bears will cut/waive him on inj reserve if he has any set backs...FA 2013! Williams will be long gone Vincent Jackson if he's available to sign don't hesitate, he's what we need. Dwayne Bowe also what we need, but might be a tough sign. Draft Pick - should be #1 or #2 target in draft. If Bears land top FA, still a top priority also takes Hester out of the mix TE Kellen Davis FA Matt Spaeth 2014 Kyle Adams ? Andre Smith ? Draylen Ross ? The Bears are also in bad shape at TE, resigning Davis is also a big priority. Shame on you JA. Davis hopefully will see his best opportunity is to stay with the Bears, unless the Bears look for bigger/brighter picture Jermichael Finley takes away from GB and adds a big target that has had sucess. Zach Potter another Jax player Tice would be familiar with. Draft Pick - Depends on Kellen Davis and the FA. They have 3 projects, so a late RD flyer would be out. I see an upgrade? OT Gabe Carimi 2015 J'Marcus Webb 2014 Frank Omiyale 2013 Levi Horn ? Patrick Mannely 2013 The Bears do need to upgrade, so the decision comes down to letting Omiyale go. They have alot of $ in him so it will be a tough decision on management. I know what we all think, time will tell. Demetrius Bell - played OLT for Buf. Has injuries issues and is not above average in pass blocking Jared Gaither - I recall him playing the LT also Draft Pick - tough call here since there's only about two for sure LT's in the draft and they will be gone. maybe take a chance on Zebrie Sanders if he's available in RD2 OG Roberto Garza 2014 Chris Williams 2013 Lance Louis 2013 Ricky Henry ? Wrotto ? C Chris Spencer 2013 Edwin Williams 2014 Reggie Stephens ? Next year the Bears will be in trouble at the interior of the line. This is a mosh posh but I see Williams G Garza C Louis G next year Carl Nicks-would cost a pretty penny, but would be the best lineman on the team and maybe allow Williams to move LT Draft Pick- With three contacts expiring next year a top 1-4RD pick here is worth considering My wishful thinking: I see the Bears signing Kyle Orton QB to back up Cutler. He and his wife want Chicago. Forte will be back along with Bell at RB, no change here WR will be our top priority and I'd be happy w/ VJAX and draft Floyd TE Cutler had sucess in Denver w/ TE's also, maybe Finley catches Tice's eye? OL is just disgusting and will be hard to work around, but cut Omiyale and sign Nicks
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Kellen Davis has looked good in his opportunities, but he is not an elite TE in the likes of Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronowski, J Finely, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Dallas Clark and so on. With that said, if a player becomes available in FA or a steal in the draft I wouldn't mind the Bears upgrading.
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""On this page only, one person who backs Briggs in this case said "we'd be crippled without Briggs" and then another, who also sides with Briggs, says "then let him hold out." " It was in reference to Brian's post about how it hurts the Bears either way by letting him walk or sit out. I wanted to point out letting him get his way would probably hurt the team more by letting players know thats all they have to do.
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Maybe, but it hasn't stopped Sproles or Harvin, and Hester is just as gifted. Hester makes too much to only handle ST's, they will find a way to use him on offense. Maybe they'll use him strictly out of the slot, which would also benefit him.
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Giving into Briggs demands hurts this team. If he gets his way, then the next child is going to try that antic. The Bears will be firm and fair with all their players. His complaints/openess probably hurt any chances of seeing a raise this year for sure. We can trade him, but we would lose too much value. If he sits, which I highly doubt we also lose. But the other players will see that signing a contract means you honor it. That is the best way to run an organization IMO. But to go back and look at the trade thought, it would have to be a 1st or 2nd. I couldn't part with him on a 3rd and I can't see any team giving more than a 3rd. Briggs knows his timeline in the NFL is getting short and he has no chance getting another huge signing bonus. I also heard he got used to making the extra money in the front loaded contract and is overspending his budget. He put himself in a bind and this is an effort to get out.
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Its just not about comparing the body size. Its about using his ability to make plays in the open field. I'm not talking about using him to hand off and run up the gut like they did with Wolfe. Look what Forte can do in the open field with screens and pass plays. Thats all im considering. Bring him in on 3rd down packages as a change. Hester hasn't taken that next step at WR, he seems to have trouble getting seperation and learning routes. Plus he won't be carrying near the load playing that role and that should help his legs in the return game. Maybe look at Harvin, he took 52 hand offs, but came out of the backfield on screens or designed pass plays. Sproles had a larger role and took 86 hand offs and was a huge part of NO's success. It's a thought I hope the Bears consider, but that all depends on the FA's and draft picks they bring in. If the Bears bring in enough WRs to demote #23 to a fourth option, I hope Tice can finds other ways to use his abilities.
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Why would Hester not be tough enough but Sproles is? Also, most recommendations that I have seen suggests Hester as the #4 WR. Basically taking him off the field all together. I think playing that change of pace position puts him in a similiar place to how Harvin gets used at times and Sproles.
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Imagine if the Bears got Devin Hester in the right position from the get go. He's failed at DB and has never lived up to the #1 WR that the Bears envisioned. Maybe if he was used primarily out of the slot he'd do better, or maybe not. But I think using him like Darren Sproles would've been the best way to go. Return specialist and change of pace RB. Hub Arkish brought this up and I thought this would be an excellant thought to consider. RB is alot easier to learn and Devin should grasp it pretty quickly. He would probably be open more often than not coming out of the backfield and being a check down or screen option. Combine comparison of the two- Devin Hester: height: 5-11 weight: 190 40 time:4.35 20 time:2.59 10 time:1.54 3cone: 6.78 20yd shttl: 4.2 vert: 38 broad: 10'4 Darren Sproles: height: 5'6" weight: 187 40 time:4.47 20 time:2.62 10 time:1.55 3 cone: 6.96 20yd shttl: 3.96 vert: 33 broad: 8'9"
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Let him sit if he chooses, we have his contract. He can whine and cry all he wants. I remember Jamar Williams having great stats whenever he got to play for an injured Briggs.
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I wonder if I started this rumor with my last post "crazy draft thought" lol My only intention was to show that we have the ammo to do so. If we did, I wouldn't be too upset b/c this would fill a major need with a prospect i think is a can't miss. It would cost a lot, but how many picks were blown anyways by this organization. Whether it was picks made by JA or the coaching staff not bringing them along. It's not gonna happen, just draft chatter to get people interested.